Mehhh, ...The great Manchester United legend Eric Cantona once said "Qatar is not a country of football. It's about money and the way they treated the people who built the stadiums, horrible." Which sums everything up. They buy everything with money, and display this public facade that theirs is a great sporting nation, filled with sports heroes. But in reality, their sports culture is manufactured and definitely inorganic.
Thanks for explaining ,,, this is not mere semantics it really is the bottom line ( connection based on documentation)
This is what happens when pop culture racializes being Filipino. Even our constitution does not even care about "ancestry", "race", "descent". Being Filipino to the government is being legally Filipino. As in Filipino in paper.
If Olivia Rodrigo were a male and a basketball athlete, she will not be able to claim PH citizenship given that she is 3rd generation and her father was born at the time when the PH did not recognize dual citizenship. The only way she could be a "PH citizen" is if they bribe the PSA or DFA like what Alice Guo did.
A good example is the Tony Labrusco fiasco. Everyone knows his parents were born Filipino. But there was a time that Tony only showed his US passport so the IO gave him the standard 30 day visa free visit, and Tony complained not getting a "balikbayan visa". Without travelling with a former PH citizen family, he cannot claim balikbayan visa. The immigration threatened him for his behavior and warned him that if they find out that he is working without a visa or proof of PH citizenship, they will deport or blacklist him.
Even our government does not care about "descent". It only cares if you can prove you are a citizen.
Mehhh, ...The great Manchester United legend Eric Cantona once said "Qatar is not a country of football. It's about money and the way they treated the people who built the stadiums, horrible." Which sums everything up. They buy everything with money, and display this public facade that theirs is a great sporting nation, filled with sports heroes. But in reality, their sports culture is manufactured and definitely inorganic.
Some people might be thinking you're too technically legal here, but in reality you're NOT. especially if you look at it from a different perspective , if all those people with so called ancestry race decent are really legally Filipino. then the over 1 billion Chinese ethnicity outside of China ( 2nd and 3rd generation children of a migrant in 1900's or earlier are legally Chinese , (that would be ridiculous) and 90 % of NBA player who are of African ethnicity should be able to play for an African nation of their choice .
How to we define "blood ties"? DNA/Genes
If that is the case, then we might as well consider Taiwanese Aboriginals, Chamorros, Malagasy people because they
share the same ancestral DNA as us. When they take 23andMe, they will come out as predominantly "Filipino and Austronesian" even if that connection was 4,000 years ago.
One has to remember that even by our constitution, being Filipino is not about "blood ties". It is really about the paper trail and if you have valid claims to PH citizenship if you can prove that at least one of your parent was a Filipino citizen upon your birth.
If for example one was already past the age of 18 when the dual nationality act was passed, and their parent lost their Philippine citizenship before they were born, the government will not recognize them as PH citizens. If the PH government does not recognize them as PH citizens due to not meeting the requirements to claim PH citizenship, "ancestral ties" is useless.
The PH nationality laws is NOT like that of Israel or Ireland where if you can prove you have "Irish DNA" or "Jewish DNA" , you can claim citizenship in those countries even if you are 20 generations removed from those places. The Philippines defines Filipino not as ancestry or ethnicity or bloodline but solely on legal grounds.
If we are going to overemphasize "ancestry", "blood ties", "descent" we might as well tell people like Geo Chiu or Isaac Go to represent the PRC because that is the country they have "blood ties" to. After all their grandparents/parents are migrants from China not more than 100 years ago.
If Gabe Norwood's mother (who is "half" Filipino. Norwood is "one fourth") did not give birth to him when she was a minor, Gabe will not be able to claim PH citizenship unless he gets a sponsor that will bribe someone in the PSA or DFA. Small legal technicalities matter a lot.
Justin Brownlee can pretty much get his children to be part of a future Gilas team (granting that he processes their derivative PH citizenship while they are minors) and be considered a local despite the lack of "blood ties". His children's ties to the Philippines is not from "blood" or "ancestry" but from the fact that Brownlee is legally (aka paperwork) a Filipino. JBLs grandchildren can pretty be much as natural-born Filipinos as Oftana or Carl Tamayo despite the lack of what people refer to as "Filipino" blood which is just Austronesian ancestry (which is shared in large part of the Pacific World).
The problem with Qatar is not the lack of "blood ties" but lack of any kind of non-transactional relations between their players and the country they are representing. Harris neither has a parent who lived in Qatar nor did he prior to becoming a mercenary for them. If Qatar fielded someone whose both parents hailed from the Philippines but grew up in Qatar, that is a significant non-blood ties to Qatar.
It is important to note the origin and history of the term Filipino. The birth of the national consciousness of being a Filipino did not originate from the people we think as having "Filipino ancestry" (Austronesian peoples) but from the local-born Europeans. The first known person to refer to himself as a Filipino in a nationalistic way was not an "indio" but someone of European descent - Luis Rodriquez Varela. He was even known as El Conde Filipino.
The movie Gomburza shows the concept of Filipinoness very well - particularly during the conversation of Pedro Pelaez and Jose Burgos - and both of them are of European descent.
You're missing the point and misinterpreting what I'm saying , I'm simply accurately distinguishing what blood connection really means, to be precisely accurate it is verification of holding a document that one is connected (e.g. parent) to a person ,who is either a current/former Citizen or resident of the country. What it is NOT is mere connection to a person to someone of similar ethnicity (Malyay etc) , this is not semantics at all. But literally the basis of almost all Nations on recognizing who is a citizen or not. it's still based on a document . and in that case regardless of the difference in document to support one's connection Harris indeed has more of documented verifiable connection to Qatar than Jordan Clarson has to the Philippines.
BTW Newsome has a connection to a Philippine parent who is a former citizen , Harris does NOT, no one is saying the basis of Harris connection is via his parents
Some people might be thinking you're too technically legal here, but in reality you're NOT. especially if you look at it from a different perspective , if all those people with so called ancestry race decent are really legally Filipino. then the over 1 billion Chinese ethnicity outside of China ( 2nd and 3rd generation children of a migrant in 1900's or earlier are legally Chinese , (that would be ridiculous) and 90 % of NBA player who are of African ethnicity should be able to play for an African nation of their choice .
fblood ties it would simply mean a person's blood relation to a certain citizenship.
I don't want to go deeper as to mention ethnicity or race because it would only complicate things.
I just would like to make it as simple as it can get.[/quotey
The simplest way is accepting the legal definition of Filipino - being a citizen of the country. There is no mention of "blood ties" in our citizenship laws.
For instance, a Chris Newsome who is considered a Fil-American as his father is an American ( most likely an Afro-american) and his mother being a natural born Filipino. Now that's what makes Chris Newsome having blood ties with Filipino
That is not "blood". That is how citizenship works.
Kung sa salitang kalye, meron syang dugong Pinoy. Now it doesn't matter that Chris Newsome's mother is of Malay descent or of Chinse descent or of Spanish descent (as we all know we Filipinos are mixture of various races), what is important is she is a natural born Filipino citizen.
You are confusing yourself by using "bloodline" at the same time rejecting Malay, Chinese, European, etc.
Being a natural born Filipino is just really a technical definition. It means that a citizen who wasn't naturalized but derived from the
Now compare that to the case of say a Justin Brownlee who is a naturalized Filipiino. Brownlee has no Filipino blood ties becoz both his parents are Americans (most likely both are Afro-americans). Wala syang dugong Pinoy.
Again, what is "dugong Pinoy"? Sure, JBL is naturalized and assuming he also applies for his children's derivative citizenship, his grandchildren will be **natural born citizens** because they inherited the PH citizenship of the parent. Filipino citizen "by default". Would you recognize JBLs grandkids as "dugong Pinoy" if say, they marry a fellow Black American but holding dual US-PH citizenship?
Let's just keep it plain and simple & let's not be so particular about semantics because we are not in a Courtroom or any tribunal. Even foreign coaches and players, when you mention "blood ties", they already know what you are implying. They won't demand any explaination about what U mean by that term.
Sticking to the legal definition of being Filipino (being a citizen of the PH) is the simplest definition. No "bloodline", "dugong Pinoy" which are **abstract*. While defining being Filipino based on citizenship and not caring about "bloodline" is clearcut.
Tim Cone will not take bait of Jared McCain. lols
Bro, nobody here is saying that citizenship should be determined by race or ethnicity. My GOD, U have dug too deep on the ground nah! That's not some posters here including myself are implying.
Surmaryusep!
Care explain? Because no matter how one turns the world upside down, Filipino citizenship is NOT based on blood. It is based on, as DAdmiral says, paperwork.
Then why are you insisting on "blood ties"? National borders are political, not really racial. For 100,000 years humans have been moving around. Citizenship is political.
I just would like to make it as simple as it can get.[/quotey
The simplest way is accepting the legal definition of Filipino - being a citizen of the country. There is no mention of "blood ties" in our citizenship laws.
That is not "blood". That is how citizenship works.
You are confusing yourself by using "bloodline" at the same time rejecting Malay, Chinese, European, etc.
Being a natural born Filipino is just really a technical definition. It means that a citizen who wasn't naturalized but derived from the
Again, what is "dugong Pinoy"? Sure, JBL is naturalized and assuming he also applies for his children's derivative citizenship, his grandchildren will be **natural born citizens** because they inherited the PH citizenship of the parent. Filipino citizen "by default". Would you recognize JBLs grandkids as "dugong Pinoy" if say, they marry a fellow Black American but holding dual US-PH citizenship?
Sticking to the legal definition of being Filipino (being a citizen of the PH) is the simplest definition. No "bloodline", "dugong Pinoy" which are **abstract*. While defining being Filipino based on citizenship and not caring about "bloodline" is clearcut.
All these questions you raised only confirms that you are indeed very particular about semantics.
No need to explain because even a tambay sa kanto who can understand simple English will simply understand what I'm implying.
no one will.. even he admitted he has 10% Filo blood, they won’t dare tap his services
Does he even have a claim to PH citizenship? Was one of his parents a PH citizenship when he was born? If not, he's not going to be able to join Gilas because in the first place, the DFA will not issue him a PH passport unless he can prove that he has claim to PH citizenship.
He'll also have to go through the hoops of submitting his and his "Filipino" parent their birth certificates to get registered with the PSA.
no one will.. even he admitted he has 10% Filo blood, they won’t dare tap his services
Unless he plays JCs role as our NP?
Care explain? Because no matter how one turns the world upside down, Filipino citizenship is NOT based on blood. It is based on, as DAdmiral says, paperwork.
Then why are you insisting on "blood ties"? National borders are political, not really racial. For 100,000 years humans have been moving around. Citizenship is political.
All these questions you raised only confirms that you are indeed very particular about semantics.
No need to explain because even a tambay sa kanto who can understand simple English will simply understand what I'm implying.
The fact that you cannot even give a concrete description of what a "Filipino bloodline" is shows how confused are you on what makes a Filipino. You don't even know how to describe what makes someone a Filipino
All you have to do is read the citizenship laws.
After all, if the PH government does not recognize one as a PH citizen because they did not meet the requirements that will allow them to claim PH citizenship, any talk about "Filipino bloodline" is moot. You will not be recognized as a PH citizen, you will not be issued passport and in effect, you cannot represent the Philippines in tournaments. This is why semantics is very important. You can't just go to the DFA or consulate and apply for passport and say "I am Filipino because my grandmother was from the Philippines". You have to prove that your parent was still a PH citizen to be recognized as a Filipino
The simplest way to understand being Filipino is not through bloodline. But if they meet the criteria of what a Filipino is based on our citizenship laws.
you have to go thru some different constitutions for that to approve.. even markanich bros are having a technicality issues because their parent is born prior or around 1973 RP constitution