FIBA ASIA Cup Qualifiers

[OverratedTabBaldwin2]

Pardon me for talking about a topic way beyond basketball but I'm pretty sure our constitution was based on the colonizers who were hoping to replace the native population in the archipelago just like they did in Mexico and the entirety of South America. Of course it doesn't care about ethnicity

You mean the 1987 constitution that replaced the 1972 constitution? The Americans have been away for 40 years when the 1987 Philippine constitution war written by an All-Filipino cast. Do you get your history lessons from Sangkay Janjan? lol

 

[OverratedTabBaldwin2]

Pedantic, the word is still used in Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia, who tf are you to say it's antiquated. Maghalo ka na lang ng semento, hindi puro Qatar at kung ano anong kagaguhan yung iniisip mo

Says the dude who gets his history lessons from Sangkay Janjan. lol peranakan my a*s

 

[Artek2]

let's not bullshit our way through life eh? Mestizo in the Philippine context refers exclusively to half white, half asian people. Peranakan doesn't have to be used in the context of Malaysia or Singapore, Filipinos can use that word to wrestle away from its racist eurocentric colonial past by putting emphasis on the 'asian' instead of the 'european'.

I don't know how you got to the conclusion that I'm trying to advocate forgetting our "hispanic identity", I'm not talking about food, loanwords or way of dressing, the fact that you think overcoming the racist past of the Philippines(as a victim instead of the perpetrator) to raise the self-esteem of its brown Asian inhabitants is some form of cultural revisionism is concerning.

​​​​​​Lol, what they call Peranakan in Singapore sre 95% Chinese. Peranakans have a SPECIFIC historical cultural context.

And here is the study showing the Singapore Peranakans are 95% Chinese.

https://www.a-star.edu.sg/News/asta...ranakan-chinese-reveals-insight-into-ancestry

Also, the shift of the term mestizo to mean half white is a recent phenomenon. For 300 years, it mostly refered to the mestizo de Sangleys/Chinese mestizo

https://www.persee.fr/doc/arch_0044-8613_1986_num_32_1_2316

The fact that use Malay to refer to Filipinos shows your ignorance.

Peranakan culture is a minority and SPECIFIC culture in Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore and Southern Thailand (Phuket area). In the Philippines, the mestizo culture is the MAINSTREAM Filipino culture.

You're the one whose drinking the kool-aid of cultural revisionism.

 

[Artek2]

You mean the 1987 constitution that replaced the 1972 constitution? The Americans have been away for 40 years when the 1987 Philippine constitution war written by an All-Filipino cast. Do you get your history lessons from Sangkay Janjan? lol

The dude is very delulu and probably have not read the citizenship laws and immigration policies of the country. Dude doesn't know how DIFFICULT it is to get a PR visa in the Philippines, and the naturalization process is also not easy and VERY EXPENSIVE. It's way easier and cheaper to be a US citizen.

The fact that he kept referring to Filipinos as "Malays" shows his ignorance. Even the natives of Sabah and Sarawak are NOT called Malays in Malaysia because they do not fit the cultural and religious description of being a Malay.
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[Artek2]

Oh Lord, this couldn't be further from the truth. Austronesian culture predates Malay culture and the migration of Austronesians started in Taiwan then to the Philippines before spreading to the rest of the Southeast Asia and the Asia Pacific region. Modern-day Indonesians, Malaysians, Polynesians, and Micronesians are in fact descendants of Austronesian peoples who first settled in the Philippines.

This chart shows that Malays don't have the same genetic structure as Filipinos. We are way more Austronesian than them. There's a reason why Philippine languages preserved the Austronesian alignment/trigger system while this has been lost in Malay.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure...pulations-The-averaged-genetic_fig2_282130620

Malays my ass to him. We have more things in common genetically with the indigenous people of Taiwan than the Malays of Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore and Southern Thailand.

 

[Artek2]

Moving on, one team to watch right now too in Thailand. They literally buried Indonesia with lots of points that some Indonesians were wondering if they played the Philippines or Thailand.

While it is evident that the addition of Bruenig really helped a lot, I think the bigger factor is Indonesia's team has weakened since the first window. Watching their game against Thailand, they didn't seem to have a defensive and offensive strategy other than iso-ball.
​​​Not sure if it's a coach thing or a player thing for Indonesia. They also seem to have a bad choice when it came to the NP.

The only local from TH that I found really impressive is Jakrawan. But they still seem to be unable to go toe to toe with Korea yet (not counting AUS since they are an entirely different beast in the Asia region). Korea still overwhelmed them in Window 1. Must say that THA seem to have a very good coach now.

 

[OverratedTabBaldwin2]

The dude is very delulu and probably have not read the citizenship laws and immigration policies of the country. Dude doesn't know how DIFFICULT it is to get a PR visa in the Philippines, and the naturalization process is also not easy and VERY EXPENSIVE. It's way easier and cheaper to be a US citizen.

The fact that he kept referring to Filipinos as "Malays" shows his ignorance. Even the natives of Sabah and Sarawak are NOT called Malays in Malaysia because they do not fit the cultural and religious description of being a Malay.
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empyreanmaze has been spewing BS and fake news here lately. lol

 

[Artek2]

Sir, why compare Philippine basketball from Qatar basketball? Qatar basketball has lots & lots of money while Philippine basketball has almost nothing.

Are U aware of what Qatar basketball did in the 2000's when it recruited quite a No. Of players from Africa (of no Qatari descent) then it gave them Qatari citizenship & have them play in the Qatar national team as local players? That's the reason Qatar was competitive in Asian basketball during the 2000's.

Qatar can do that because it has the money to draw or attract foreign players (of no Qatari descent) to play for the Qatar national team.

In Philippine basketball on the other hand, what we did (& still is doing) is to convince Fil-american or Fil-foreign players to play in the PBA so that in turn, they might play for the national team as in the cases of Danny Seigle, Asi Taulava, Kelly Williams, Gabe Norwood, etc. But those players are natural born Filipinos. Those African & Bosnian players playing & had played for the Qatar national team on the other hand are absolute foreigners of no Qatari descent & were just "converted" into Qatari locals.

My point here is that it's very hard to believe the possibility that if for instance Tyler Harris applied for or had obtained Qatari passport prior to his 16th b-day, it took so many years (Harris is already 31 yrs old by the way) before the Qataris were able to convince him to finally play for the Qatar national team as a local knowing how eager or determined the Qataris are in making their national team competitive. Remember that for several years now, Qatar basketball has struggled in Asian basketball. For sure Harris would have been a big help in making the team competitive if Harris had joined the team say 6 years ago.

My problem with what Qatar does is it resembles a legal form of human trafficking. What they are doing would be fine if they were naturalizing the non-Qataris who have been living in the country for many years. But what Qatar does is get bunch of kids from other countries who never even have any form of ties to Qatar.

I don't really have a problem with the Hagop rule. My problem is FIBA is not closing the loophole. Perhaps, requiring 50% of players have 10 years residency in the country to be considered local before 16 y/o would close this. That way, it will be problematic for Qatar to import bunch of 6 y/o from other countries.Force them to source their players from their existing migrant population.
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[empyreanmaze2]

You mean the 1987 constitution that replaced the 1972 constitution? The Americans have been away for 40 years when the 1987 Philippine constitution war written by an All-Filipino cast. Do you get your history lessons from Sangkay Janjan? lol

Can tell from the username you're a kariton pusher that doesn't know what neocolonialism and the process of decolonization is there remains a lot of colonial influence in the constitution especially when it comes to religion, marriage and yes holdover ideologies from the Spanish administration who wanted to displace the natives. Also 'Austronesian' is a language group, not a race, there are Austronesian speakers in Madagascar and its people are Africans, at least that's what they identify with now in the age of nationalism.

 

[Artek2]

Can tell from the username you're a kariton pusher that doesn't know what neocolonialism and the process of decolonization is. Also 'Austronesian' is a language group, not a race, there are Austronesian speakers in Madagascar and its people are Africans.

Malagasy was brought in by Austronesians who migrated from Borneo. The Merina people specifically. They are the largest ethnic group in Madagascar as well as the most influential so they can impose their language on non-Austronesian peoples.

 

[Artek2]

Being Chinese is also a nationality as China also has hundreds of many different ethnic groups that happen to be dominated by the Han. Being Chinese means you might be ethnically Uighur, Mongol, or even Manchu. Mengke Bateer is an ethnic Mongolian and Abdurixit is ethnic Uighur yet they're still "Chinese".

Dude even complained that MY team is mostly ethnic Chinese. He really isn't smart enough to know the difference between ethnicity and citizenship. The MY players are like 3rd, 4th generation Chinese Malaysian. Not different from Geo Chiu or Isaac Go. Definitely not comparable to what Qatar is doing - getting kids from abroad with zero ties to Qatar to be in their NT.

At least for Chinese Malaysians and Chinese Filipinos who are of "pure" Han Chinese descent, they have been in the Philippines for 3 - 4 generations - that's 100 years of their families being rooted in the country.

I'd love to see this guy complain about Chiu and Go having represented the Philippines and tell them they should go represent the PRC.

 

[ARMIR2]

Do U think this would boost the chance of Mike Philipps, Ange Kouame, etc. getting an exemption soon? FIBA seems to have been lenient as of late in granting exemption to dual citizenship players who didn't secure passport prior to their 16th b-day of the country they want to represent.

Remember that both Kouame & Philipps played college ball in the Philippines & have been residents of this country for several years now. I think Kouame has been in the country for about 7 years now while Philipps have been staying in the Philippines for perhaps almost 5 years now.

Kouame should be in by now if not next year,there shouldn't be any question at all.

 

[DAdmiral2]

Do U think this would boost the chance of Mike Philipps, Ange Kouame, etc. getting an exemption soon? FIBA seems to have been lenient as of late in granting exemption to dual citizenship players who didn't secure passport prior to their 16th b-day of the country they want to represent.

Remember that both Kouame & Philipps played college ball in the Philippines & have been residents of this country for several years now. I think Kouame has been in the country for about 7 years now while Philipps have been staying in the Philippines for perhaps almost 5 years now.

It theory it should , that's only if the SBP pursues their cases and lobbies for it , this doesn't seem to be the case however , as SBP is more focused on trying to justify "Filipino blood thing " and Clarkson, which really is baseless justification if you look at the issue in depth ( it's documented evidence of connection to a verified citizen , not blood connection to someone who has similar filipino ethnicity , otherwise all African and Asian Americans can play for a nation from regions of Africa and Asia

 

[Artek2]

It theory it should , that's only if the SBP pursues their cases and lobbies for it , this doesn't seem to be the case however , as SBP is more focused on trying to justify "Filipino blood thing " and Clarkson, which really is baseless justification if you look at the issue in depth ( it's documented evidence of connection to a verified citizen , not blood connection to someone who has similar filipino ethnicity , otherwise all African and Asian Americans can play for a nation from regions of Africa and Asia

I wonder if there happens to be a talented Chinese-American in the US who is of "pure" Chinese descent but with parents coming from the Philippines. I wonder how will they apply this "blood thing"/ancestry logic when if you have this dude get a 23andMe DNA test, he will come out as 0% Filipino.

Quinito even suggested DNA test to replace the Hagop rule. We might as well import Indonesians, Malagasy, African Americans who have 0.5% Filipino or Mexicans with 1% "Filipino DNA" to the National Team.

This obsession is "blood" was what led to the Fil-Sham controversy in the 2000s. Sonny Alvarado almost got away with it.

 

[Artek2]

Oh Lord, this couldn't be further from the truth. Austronesian culture predates Malay culture and the migration of Austronesians started in Taiwan then to the Philippines before spreading to the rest of the Southeast Asia and the Asia Pacific region. Modern-day Indonesians, Malaysians, Polynesians, and Micronesians are in fact descendants of Austronesian peoples who first settled in the Philippines.

If any, we are their ancestors. Not the other way around

 

[Artek2]

If Qatar ia using contribution to the growth to basketball in Qatar as reason ( investing in camps etc and bringing the NBA to Qatar), , then that would be like if Clarkson was based in Philippines and led player development for the SBP.

Contribution to Advancement of basketball is actually in the FIBA guidelines as one of the reasons for exceptions

Without them tapping on their long term resident migrants, basketball will not grow in Qatar. Even if their rankings improve, those hired mercenaries will go elsewhere once their tenure in Qatar is over.

 

[Artek2]

Just me , for Gilas I like the competition provided by the likes of Cambodia and Qatar using "questionable eligible players ' competition is always good, we should be at peace with just doing things our way, regardless if rival countries take advantage of the rules.

Are we really so paranoid with Qatar and Cambodia? Really now

The problem with what they are doing is it is not fair to other nations trying to improve their basketball program without trying to do dodgy stuff. At least with Thailand, they are fielding legit diasporas, not mercenaries like what Cambodia and Qatar are doing.

 

[DAdmiral2]

I wonder if there happens to be a talented Chinese-American in the US who is of "pure" Chinese descent but with parents coming from the Philippines. I wonder how will they apply this "blood thing"/ancestry logic when if you have this dude get a 23andMe DNA test, he will come out as 0% Filipino.

Quinito even suggested DNA test to replace the Hagop rule. We might as well import Indonesians, Malagasy, African Americans who have 0.5% Filipino or Mexicans with 1% "Filipino DNA" to the National Team.

This obsession is "blood" was what led to the Fil-Sham controversy in the 2000s. Sonny Alvarado almost got away with it.

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this Data count is just for legitimate Chinese Naitonals , not mere blood enthnicity , there obviously more than 5 M Chinese Americans in the US. so this isn't really limited to "inelgibles" , what i mean by that is this doesn't count 2nd or 3rd generation Chinese with no longer legal Chinese record documentation like Slow mo Anderson or Lin, and in our case most of our ineligibles.
People need to understand it's documented verified connection to a citizen , NOT biological connection to someone of a type of ethnicity. the latter is really irrelevant.​

 

[JAMSKIE2]

It theory it should , that's only if the SBP pursues their cases and lobbies for it , this doesn't seem to be the case however , as SBP is more focused on trying to justify "Filipino blood thing " and Clarkson, which really is baseless justification if you look at the issue in depth ( it's documented evidence of connection to a verified citizen , not blood connection to someone who has similar filipino ethnicity , otherwise all African and Asian Americans can play for a nation from regions of Africa and Asia

I think SBP should move on from that Clarkson obsession & just focus on players which have a high possibility of getting an exception from FIBA. Clarkson is what, already 31 now? He has only a few years left of serviceability with Gilas. And of course, how many times na ba FIBA had said "no" on SBP's requests of granting Clarkson as exception? Wag na masyado makulit kasi! If you got busted 4 times already by your dream girl, its time to give it up. Hanap ka nalang ng ibang babae. SBP should set its sights on players who have very good chance of getting exceptions. I think Mike Philipps, Zave Lucero, Ange Kouame have good chances of getting a FIBA exemption. And those players could be of significant help for Gilas if they are declared as local players.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

BTW, speaking of the case of Qatar team in which majority of their players are foreigners, the current head coach of Qatar is Hakan Demir​, who was the coach of Iran national team in last year's Asian Games. When Gilas beat Iran in the quarterfinals of last year's Asian Games, coach Hakan Demir complained that Gilas had lots of foreign players. Well, I would like to know what he has to say now that he is coaching a Qatar United Nations team made up of players from the US, Africa, Bosnia, Montenegro of no Qatari descent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVvNQQllDcM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAjd1Pnc3fY