FIBA-Asia Cup 2025 Saudi Arabia

[JAMSKIE2]

Having a longer preparation, say about 4 weeks or more, isn't just about achieving cohesion, chemistry & getting the players assimilated to the coach' system. It is also about getting into the right form/condition, pacing, & simulating the FIBA game atmosphere. U can't achieve that in a 9-day time frame. No way. Of course we are aware that current Gilas team already has an established cohesion or chemistry & its players are well assimilated with coach Tim Cone's triangle & other schemes, but I think the team would still need to get into the right form & rhythm in order to play as efficiently as it should in a major tournament like the Asia Cup.

U see, preparing for a window qualifier is different from preparing for a tournament proper. Kasi sa window qualifier, you're just playing 2 games while in a window qualifier, U will be playing 5 to 7 games, depending on how far U will go to that tournament. Of course, in a tournament proper, more is at stake than in a window qualifier.

I mentioned pacing, becoz U can't just simply make your players train/practice/scrimmage everyday in that preparation period without any rest. There would be times when the coach has to give his players some day off for them to get the much needed rest. How can you do that in a 9-day preparation period?

I mentioned "simulating the FIBA game atmosphere", I'm referring to tune-up or friendly games that a team has to play as part of its preparation. Those tune-up games will simulate the FIBA game & will keep our players sharp. The more the tune-up games, the better. But of course hindi naman yung subra masyado madaming tune-up games becoz that would burn the players out. I think 5 to 6 tune-up games in 1 month training period would be good.

Again I say, it's hard to imagine that our beloved Gilas team will get a 9-day training period when majority of our opponents will get the benefit of a 1-month or even more training time frame. Yung mga kalaban natin will have enough tune-up games & they will be pacing themselves well.

 

[thatweirdguy2]

i agree. due to the fact that we arent integrating too many players in the system, by now most of the players already knows what CTC wants them to do. i assume that the 9 days is mostly to studay and plan out the defense needed per game.

what is unfortunate, is that other countries' players would have a common offseason. most of them. yeah its mostly used to rest the players but they can sneak in a week of practice or join a random tournament to do its integration or whatever changes they want to do. may not be ideal but thats extra time together to work things out. the recent Dubai tournament is similar. if we annually have something like that, then its a big add on on top of the 9day prep time.

It is not ideal and basing on the previous games we would probably suck again unless of course they would overhaul everything in just 9 days. I just mentioned that no amount of prep time would help this team if they keep insisting on playing the same way as before

 

[BJ_Reloaded2]

surely that 9 day propose training session is not the recommended game plan for any national team preparation on all level

but it is what it is...we, the fans are not the financial backer of the Gilas Basketball program, those PBA and SBP Grandpas are not answerable to any Joes and Janes on all walks of life.

the only answerable stuff they could commit to the public is the "moral obligation" because strictly the RP NT or Gilas brand name is a public thing thus it is called "Public Image"

now as for the content e.g. the Players, Team Managers, Coaches, PBA/SBP Personnels, utilities among others are only answerable to RSA and MVP because they are the one

who pays for their salaries and compensation.."Taong bayan ba nagpapa sweldo sa amin? bat' kayo pakikinggan namin" trans. we are reading and hearing the comments but we

are decision, whatever you read or heard are just for press release".

that's the line of reasoning.

oh well..

it is already out in the public the pronouncement of Grandpa Dean during the Power N' Play segment last Sat.

that it is not really 9 days but only 6 days of training days are available assuming the conference ended exactly on July 27

and CTC will certainly provide the players involve to rest a day or two to recover.

now as for the initial proposal of every monday practice, well the Grandpas are known for that ever since.

but I think the ideal thing, given the current situation is to start the training on May 5 after the end of the B. League season to those players based in Japan

but to those players who are currently playing at KBL, I think the ideal start of training is after the season ends which I think is on April.

maybe attending Ginebra practices at that time may not encounter any legal issues on their respective club teams considering the intention of those overseas players

are for the preparation for the coming FIBA Asia Cup

plus if they implement that every monday training to those PBA players like Jordan Heading among others.

then that idea of mine, I think is the best option I could recommend to those lurkers out there.

"The Longer the Preparation the Better" the options are already out in the bag that 9 or 6 days practice is just pathetic and absurd

even the very best basketball mind out there will not object nor disagree on that remarks.

otherwise if the stoneheaded Grandpas insist that 9 or 6 days is our decision

then we as fan must not aspire for that medal round games instead make sure they could improve that 9th place finish instead.

"it is what it is"

that is why pasaway.

 

[sroth38392]

Having a longer preparation, say about 4 weeks or more, isn't just about achieving cohesion, chemistry & getting the players assimilated to the coach' system. It is also about getting into the right form/condition, pacing, & simulating the FIBA game atmosphere. U can't achieve that in a 9-day time frame. No way. Of course we are aware that current Gilas team already has an established cohesion or chemistry & its players are well assimilated with coach Tim Cone's triangle & other schemes, but I think the team would still need to get into the right form & rhythm in order to play as efficiently as it should in a major tournament like the Asia Cup.

U see, preparing for a window qualifier is different from preparing for a tournament proper. Kasi sa window qualifier, you're just playing 2 games while in a window qualifier, U will be playing 5 to 7 games, depending on how far U will go to that tournament. Of course, in a tournament proper, more is at stake than in a window qualifier.

I mentioned pacing, becoz U can't just simply make your players train/practice/scrimmage everyday in that preparation period without any rest. There would be times when the coach has to give his players some day off for them to get the much needed rest. How can you do that in a 9-day preparation period?

I mentioned "simulating the FIBA game atmosphere", I'm referring to tune-up or friendly games that a team has to play as part of its preparation. Those tune-up games will simulate the FIBA game & will keep our players sharp. The more the tune-up games, the better. But of course hindi naman yung subra masyado madaming tune-up games becoz that would burn the players out. I think 5 to 6 tune-up games in 1 month training period would be good.

Again I say, it's hard to imagine that our beloved Gilas team will get a 9-day training period when majority of our opponents will get the benefit of a 1-month or even more training time frame. Yung mga kalaban natin will have enough tune-up games & they will be pacing themselves well.

I don’t like Cone’s “small pool approach” but I feel like this lack of prep time was known from the get-go, which is why they insisted on the aforementioned approach.

If you notice, the chemistry is pretty much established in the 8-player rotation: Scottie, Brownlee, Dwight, Junemar, Oftana, KQ, Tamayo, and Newsome. The only player who still needs to be integrated is Edu, which is understandable. That’s basically our 9-man rotation. If Japeth gets significant playing time, then it’s a 10-man rotation. Perez and Malonzo are odd-men out; I don’t see either bringing anything useful to the table apart from TOs (prove me wrong CJ).

So they were basically gunning for small slices of prep time to establish chemistry and cohesion from window 1.

That 9-day prep time is basically just final touches like what they did in the Asiad. Remember our rotation in the Asiad was pretty much the GSM guys plus Newsome and Ange.

My biggest concern is the potential injuries in the lead up to the Asia Cup.

The PBA boys will the be ones who suffer the most. The KBL and BLeague guys plus JB will get the most rest.

The missing link IMO to a successful Asia Cup campaign without Kai is the utilization of KQ and Tamayo.

Honestly, I’m resigned to the fact that this will be our main core till the lead up to the WC. JB may still play for us if BB isn’t naturalized on time. Scottie will stick around because he is Cone’s son.

 

[zairex2]

surely that 9 day propose training session is not the recommended game plan for any national team preparation on all level

but it is what it is...we, the fans are not the financial backer of the Gilas Basketball program, those PBA and SBP Grandpas are not answerable to any Joes and Janes on all walks of life.

the only answerable stuff they could commit to the public is the "moral obligation" because strictly the RP NT or Gilas brand name is a public thing thus it is called "Public Image"

now as for the content e.g. the Players, Team Managers, Coaches, PBA/SBP Personnels, utilities among others are only answerable to RSA and MVP because they are the one

who pays for their salaries and compensation.."Taong bayan ba nagpapa sweldo sa amin? bat' kayo pakikinggan namin" trans. we are reading and hearing the comments but we

are decision, whatever you read or heard are just for press release".

that's the line of reasoning.

oh well..

it is already out in the public the pronouncement of Grandpa Dean during the Power N' Play segment last Sat.

that it is not really 9 days but only 6 days of training days are available assuming the conference ended exactly on July 27

and CTC will certainly provide the players involve to rest a day or two to recover.

now as for the initial proposal of every monday practice, well the Grandpas are known for that ever since.

but I think the ideal thing, given the current situation is to start the training on May 5 after the end of the B. League season to those players based in Japan

but to those players who are currently playing at KBL, I think the ideal start of training is after the season ends which I think is on April.

maybe attending Ginebra practices at that time may not encounter any legal issues on their respective club teams considering the intention of those overseas players

are for the preparation for the coming FIBA Asia Cup

plus if they implement that every monday training to those PBA players like Jordan Heading among others.

then that idea of mine, I think is the best option I could recommend to those lurkers out there.

"The Longer the Preparation the Better" the options are already out in the bag that 9 or 6 days practice is just pathetic and absurd

even the very best basketball mind out there will not object nor disagree on that remarks.

otherwise if the stoneheaded Grandpas insist that 9 or 6 days is our decision

then we as fan must not aspire for that medal round games instead make sure they could improve that 9th place finish instead.

"it is what it is"

that is why pasaway.

Do you have any suggestions with the situation that you stated?

 

[Silent Killer2]

Do you have any suggestions with the situation that you stated?

Do you? We want to hear it from you.

 

[zairex2]

Do you? We want to hear it from you.

We know we need time to train and adapt the Fiba calendar. Also, no PBA games during May to July. We also know that PBA needs to atleast lower their cost to make it more viable.

The way I see it we can have two conferences with longer elimination rounds to solve the first issue. Fans need to go to arenas. As we know people have a lot of reason not to go to arenas. Thats why going to arenas must be extremely good time for fans. May be a section where drinks will be allowed and far from people who want kid friendly space.

One game per playdate and games starts at 7pm.More rides to and from the arenas going to main Transporation hubs.

Another way to boost revenue is higher ticket sales. Which is frown upon by many.

The important thing is more fans to watch the games. To be honest, PBA needs a lot of things going their way to make this work. Thats why PBA right know it is between a rock and a hard place.

 

[FilWelsh2]

We know we need time to train and adapt the Fiba calendar. Also, no PBA games during May to July. We also know that PBA needs to atleast lower their cost to make it more viable.

The way I see it we can have two conferences with longer elimination rounds to solve the first issue. Fans need to go to arenas. As we know people have a lot of reason not to go to arenas. Thats why going to arenas must be extremely good time for fans. May be a section where drinks will be allowed and far from people who want kid friendly space.

One game per playdate and games starts at 7pm.More rides to and from the arenas going to main Transporation hubs.

Another way to boost revenue is higher ticket sales. Which is frown upon by many.

The important thing is more fans to watch the games. To be honest, PBA needs a lot of things going their way to make this work. Thats why PBA right know it is between a rock and a hard place.

Your idea is been discussed a number of times in this forum for PBA to reform its format. 1 All- Filipino conference and 1 Open conference (no height restrictions on imports). And its calendar must be synchronise with other leagues in the world. And yes 2 games per playdate is a bit ancient…

 

[zairex2]

Your idea is been discussed a number of times in this forum for PBA to reform its format. 1 All- Filipino conference and 1 Open conference (no height restrictions on imports). And its calendar must be synchronise with other leagues in the world. And yes 2 games per playdate is a bit ancient…

I know, just stating again because Silent Killer asked for it. As I stated before it's hard to do and it will need fans to return to Arenas to accomplish it.

 

[raileebeast22]

The PBA is just scamming the fans, faking full support for Gilas.

Yes that is what I am thinking right now. It is a fake support. Maybe that is why coach Tab was being ousted because he is very vocal whenever he said the team needs ample time to practice. I do not know maybe it is high time again to boycott PBA. There should at least be 3 weeks of preparation forevery international tournament.

 

[Silent Killer2]

Re up.. talk about the draw and the lead up to asia cup tournament since the asia cup qualifiers is done

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

Re up.. talk about the draw and the lead up to asia cup tournament since the asia cup qualifiers is done

The draw will in on April 8

 

[ja.he2]

We know we need time to train and adapt the Fiba calendar. Also, no PBA games during May to July. We also know that PBA needs to atleast lower their cost to make it more viable.

The way I see it we can have two conferences with longer elimination rounds to solve the first issue. Fans need to go to arenas. As we know people have a lot of reason not to go to arenas. Thats why going to arenas must be extremely good time for fans. May be a section where drinks will be allowed and far from people who want kid friendly space.

One game per playdate and games starts at 7pm.More rides to and from the arenas going to main Transporation hubs.

Another way to boost revenue is higher ticket sales. Which is frown upon by many.

The important thing is more fans to watch the games. To be honest, PBA needs a lot of things going their way to make this work. Thats why PBA right know it is between a rock and a hard place.

Why not put the games of lesser teams in smaller but closer to the community arenas?

Caloocan Sports Complex and Villar Coliseum are decent. Baliwag and SJDM arenas are also good arenas.

 

[BJ_Reloaded2]

I've already mentioned this before even to the other thread.

that supposed 6 days practice mentioned by Grandpa Dean in one of the episode of Power N' Play segment of Grandpa Com. Noli is really a head scratching thing

at that moment, I'm anticipating that the two Grandpa host of that weekend program will surely react on that pronouncement bec. they've already mentioning that one of the main reason
why they are critical to the league bec. they want to help the PBA regain it's old glory days.

obviously, they become mum when Grandpa Dean blurted out that 6 days practice.

"wag kontrahin si tropa baka magtampo". trans. as I said, we cannot argue with those Grandpas, we are not in a position to question we are not the decision maker, it is what it is now.

oh dear!!!

the only suggestion we could do as fan is to let those overseas based ballers a maximum of 2 weeks rest in order to recover and heal all those aches and pain during their stint from their
mother ballclub.

then they could request to attend the Barangay practice considering it is the same system and when that 6 days comes surely they've already covered many intricate things.

if the KBL and B. League ended their season in April and May respectively. then ideally, first week of June is cool thing.

so by the time the PBA 49th season ended in July 27, cohesion and familiarization are already second skin to those national players and JB's broken hand are fully heal(ed) at that time.

who knows prior to that, QMB's status are already been release.

or SBP release another surprise,..AK34 already obtain his local status.

we all good..Happy Hormones to all.

 

[CoJ2]

JB tests positive for recreational drug (vs jordan)

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba...pDAu8tBTuAHa8J9OMc_aem_vzi5rdbZ1hDSPyAokdtKOA

 

[Blueorgreen222]

JB tests positive for recreational drug (vs jordan)

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba...pDAu8tBTuAHa8J9OMc_aem_vzi5rdbZ1hDSPyAokdtKOA

When was the game vs jordan?

 

[CoJ2]

When was the game vs jordan?

Misread the article sorry, the jordan game was during the asian games!

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

Misread the article sorry, the jordan game was during the asian games!

Is he already serve his suspension, right? Why suspend again? That was more than 1 - 1/2 years already...

 

[CoJ2]

Is he already serve his suspension, right? Why suspend again? That was more than 1 - 1/2 years already...

I misread the article, the jordan one was the 1st time, he tested positive again for a recreational drug but the article
didnt mention when the test was taken

 

[paolylo2]

I misread the article, the jordan one was the 1st time, he tested positive again for a recreational drug but the article
didnt mention when the test was taken

If the news reports that the SBP confirmed that he received findings on random tests, it may as well be a FIBA sanctioned event which can only be the previous Asia Cup Qualifying windows.

Assuming Brownlee does get suspended, this is where we find out if Cone sticks to his word and Kouame is the next man up or he is just as full of BS as the SMC people running the show. At least for the FIBA Asia Cup in August, I do see a lineup of Kouame, JMF, Edu, Tamayo, Dwight, Scottie, Newsome, Oftana, KQ, Amos, Malonzo, and Perez... with Japeth as a reserve. Still a decent team, but only a semi finalist at best. Realistically out by the quarters without both Kai's defense and Brownlee's ability to do those scoring spurts out of nowhere.