Fenerbahce 2018-19

[janketa2]

We should go for Mike James rather then for Calathes. After(probably) Wilbekin come we don't need another pg in the team.
After Doncic leave next EL will be even worse quality then this one. I don't see the reason why we couldn't be more competetive then this season.

The best scenario for us:
Wanamaker,Thompson, Nunnalli out
Wilbekin,James,solid pf(just normal basketball player as back up for Melli) in

Even old Antic would be better then this moron Thompson staying)

Even in this F4 we could win with this roster.

 

[ncjazz2]

We should go for Mike James rather then for Calathes. After(probably) Wilbekin come we don't need another pg in the team.
After Doncic leave next EL will be even worse quality then this one. I don't see the reason why we couldn't be more competetive then this season.

The best scenario for us:
Wanamaker,Thompson, Nunnalli out
Wilbekin,James,solid pf(just normal basketball player as back up for Melli) in

Even old Antic would be better then this moron Thompson staying)

Even in this F4 we could win with this roster.

I thought James was going to Milano. Just a rumor, never finalized perhaps?

 

[janketa2]

I thought James was going to Milano. Just a rumor, never finalized perhaps?

Me too, but it seems he is still open for contract.

 

[Saybia2]

We should go for Mike James rather then for Calathes. After(probably) Wilbekin come we don't need another pg in the team.
After Doncic leave next EL will be even worse quality then this one. I don't see the reason why we couldn't be more competetive then this season.

The best scenario for us:
Wanamaker,Thompson, Nunnalli out
Wilbekin,James,solid pf(just normal basketball player as back up for Melli) in

Even old Antic would be better then this moron Thompson staying)

Even in this F4 we could win with this roster.

If James joins FB, we will probably see a couple of videos of Obra slapping him during the games or he would run away from the club eventually
He has talent but he is so unreliable and never considered or seen him playing for his team. He can not and should not be a part of this FB team. Obra would have kept Goodelock rather than bringing him.

Unless Willbekin goes for an apology i dont believe he's joining us as well.

 

[Killer Bob2]

We have three clubs with high budgets, around 30 milions or more. It's a fact that Laso used his budget better then Obratovic and Itoudis, so result is better and deeper roster and title.
Obradovic is master of the game, best coach in history of Euro basket, but when we are talking about roster decisions he is far from the best. He just use what he have and make players better then they realy are.
He need to make better market moves imo. He has budget and all is up to him from now on

Fener just need a player, who can make crucial shots/decisions in crucial moments of the game. Wana/Sloukas is obviously not that kind of a player.

 

[Ziya K2]

Fener just need a player, who can make crucial shots/decisions in crucial moments of the game. Wana/Sloukas is obviously not that kind of a player.

european market is very limited in terms of those decisive players. and thats probably why team play makes a huge difference.
we had bogdan and lost him to nba

 

[Levenspiel2]

Fener just need a player, who can make crucial shots/decisions in crucial moments of the game. Wana/Sloukas is obviously not that kind of a player.

I thought Wanamaker was that player exactly, and I was jealous when Fener signed him. He did not deliver in this role.
I still think he is a great player, though. We'd welcome him with open arms at Efes (if I were the GM. Alper Yilmaz will now sign another Adams)

 

[Erkan122]

I think cricial shots aren't the problem. The problem is we don't have an obvious leading scorer, and leader on the team. I don't remember Bogdan winning a last second EL playoff game or final four game by scoring at the last second, or Udoh. But with them, we could rely on how they will carry our offensive game and how they will organize and lead the team play. Sometimes Sloukas plays terrible (as he did in Madrid game) and we just stopped there when that happened. Or Kalinic was the same. You can't trust Vesely also. Wanamaker is a great one-on-one player, and I am sure he would score even more than 14 pts if we had played like Houston, and we relied on Dixon too in Zalgris game and that worked. But it didn't work in the finals. We need a better leader and a scorer on the court, Wanamaker and Sloukas are great players, but they aren't leaders like Bogdan and Udoh.

And Guduric, honestly I don't see even a sign on how he can become another Bogdan. Bogdan played much better in 2015 final four even though it was his first final four just like Guduric's in 2018, Guduric zero pts in two games.

 

[Ziya K2]

I thought Wanamaker was that player exactly, and I was jealous when Fener signed him. He did not deliver in this role.
I still think he is a great player, though. We'd welcome him with open arms at Efes (if I were the GM. Alper Yilmaz will now sign another Adams)

efes would wellcome even ahmet düverioğlu with open arms if we leave him now

 

[Erkan122]

efes would wellcome even ahmet düverioğlu with open arms if we leave him now

Unfortunately for Efes, that's true. There is a level difference between Fener and Efes since 3 or 4 years. They would want to take almost every substitute player from us. Duverioglu / Melih / Sinan / Dixon / Nunnaly. Only maybe they wouldn't want Guduric and Thompson, but I am not even sure about that.

 

[Levenspiel2]

Unfortunately for Efes, that's true. There is a level difference between Fener and Efes since 3 or 4 years. They would want to take almost every substitute player from us. Duverioglu / Melih / Sinan / Dixon / Nunnaly. Only maybe they wouldn't want Guduric and Thompson, but I am not even sure about that.

I'm not so sure about wanting Sinan/Melih/Nunnally/Thompson. I actually am almost sure they won't.

Ahmet and Guduric are welcome. Wanamaker too .

 

[janketa2]

Now when he left Besiktas the best option for Sarica is to apply for assistent coach job at Fener.
I wrote about that option two years ago. It's maybe just illusory downgrade in this moment for him, but in couple of years he could be Obradovic successor in Fener.

Sarica is just good potential in this moment(regardless of everything he did until now) and he is not top league euro coach imo. With Obradovic he could improve and learn much more then coaching some EC Turkish team

 

[Erkan122]

Now when he left Besiktas the best option for Sarica is to apply for assistent coach job at Fener.
I wrote about that option two years ago. It's maybe just illusory downgrade in this moment for him, but in couple of years he could be Obradovic successor in Fener.

Sarica is just good potential in this moment(regardless of everything he did until now) and he is not top league euro coach imo. With Obradovic he could improve and learn much more then coaching some EC Turkish team

Sarıca is like a mini-Ataman, majority of the Fener supporters doesn't like him.

 

[janketa2]

Sarıca is like a mini-Ataman, majority of the Fener supporters doesn't like him.

I don't like him too, but for the sake of Turkish basketball it's usefull if we make benefit from having Obradovic in Fener. It's not just about winning one or two title but what will happen when Obra leave.
Many Fener fans, don't mind me but including you, think just about what is going on in this moment forgeting about the future. The first time in the history we have the system, patience, success, title, 3 F4 in a row.. And now we should think about whom we like or not?
If someone bring Sarica instead of Obra in this moment I would make suicide But we realy need someone who will learn from the greatest coach in the history of Euro basket. Do you have better proposal then Sarica?

 

[R1ou2]

I somehow doubt someone would like to quit his job as a head coach in order to work as an assistant one.

 

[gockun2]

I am pretty sure that Thompson will be out at the end, probably Wanamaker too, not sure about Nunnally probably a renewal since he is progressing , Antic's mostly paid by Fener contract will also end this summer. So if we can sustain the budget somehow, there is a good amount of money for two or three players ( a center, a guard and maybe a PF)
There are not enough option out here, Ekpe Udoh would probably be the first choice if Utah don't exercise the team option in his conract. I don't think any other NBA team will show interest on him, though CSKA will pursue him very badly I guess. I would love to see one of Kaleb Tarczewski- Arturas Gudaitis duo if Udoh is unreachable. For guard position Pangos or Wilbekin seem logical options, Wilbekin has some issues obviously so Pangos more probable.

Then, we have

PG: Kevin Pangos, Ali Muhammed
SG: Kostas Sloukas, Melih M. Sinan Güler
SF: Gigi Datome, James Nunnaly, Marko Guduric
PF: Nicolo Melli, Nikola Kalinic
C : Jan Vesely, Ekpe Udoh , Ahmet Duverioglu

This team would probably has some perimeter defence problems but,
A championship conterder team again... hopefully.

 

[janketa2]

I am pretty sure that Thompson will be out at the end, probably Wanamaker too, not sure about Nunnally probably a renewal since he is progressing , Antic's mostly paid by Fener contract will also end this summer. So if we can sustain the budget somehow, there is a good amount of money for two or three players ( a center, a guard and maybe a PF)
There are not enough option out here, Ekpe Udoh would probably be the first choice if Utah don't exercise the team option in his conract. I don't think any other NBA team will show interest on him, though CSKA will pursue him very badly I guess. I would love to see one of Kaleb Tarczewski- Arturas Gudaitis duo if Udoh is unreachable. For guard position Pangos or Wilbekin seem logical options, Wilbekin has some issues obviously so Pangos more probable.

Then, we have

PG: Kevin Pangos, Ali Muhammed
SG: Kostas Sloukas, Melih M. Sinan Güler
SF: Gigi Datome, James Nunnaly, Marko Guduric
PF: Nicolo Melli, Nikola Kalinic
C : Jan Vesely, Ekpe Udoh , Ahmet Duverioglu

This team would probably has some perimeter defence problems but,
A championship conterder team again... hopefully.

In what segment is Nunnalli progresing? Last year F4 he scored 2 points, this F4 zero points in two games.
If player improve something throughout season I suppose he should show that when it is the most important, in F4.
I congratulate him for his so called improvement but it's time to leave Fener . He showed that isn't capable to be even role player in title games.

I could say the same for Guduric but this was his first F4 and he deserves one more chance, I hope next season.

Pangos could be great add but he is going to Barca as I know.

 

[ZalgirisFanForLife2]

In what segment is Nunnalli progresing? Last year F4 he scored 2 points, this F4 zero points in two games.
If player improve something throughout season I suppose he should show that when it is the most important, in F4.
I congratulate him for his so called improvement but it's time to leave Fener . He showed that isn't capable to be even role player in title games.

I could say the same for Guduric but this was his first F4 and he deserves one more chance, I hope next season.

Pangos could be great add but he is going to Barca as I know.

Zalgiris would gladly welcome Nunnally to the squad instead of Toupane, who has no offensive talent. Nunnally is a good defender with a extremely good 3pt shot. He is great 3 and D player and you can't deny it. Also, fun fact, Nunnally was asking to play in Zalgiris 2 or 3 years ago, so now it is time for him to go to us.
About Pangos, he isn't going to Barca yet, first of all he wants to the NBA and only after that he will look towards Europe.

 

[gockun2]

In what segment is Nunnalli progresing? Last year F4 he scored 2 points, this F4 zero points in two games.
If player improve something throughout season I suppose he should show that when it is the most important, in F4.
I congratulate him for his so called improvement but it's time to leave Fener . He showed that isn't capable to be even role player in title games.

I could say the same for Guduric but this was his first F4 and he deserves one more chance, I hope next season.

Pangos could be great add but he is going to Barca as I know.

with that kind of logic, we should first get rid of Vesely, Sloukas, Kalinic, Luigi Datome (they are downgrading badly according to your logic)

 

[janketa2]

with that kind of logic, we should first get rid of Vesely, Sloukas, Kalinic, Luigi Datome (they are downgrading badly according to your logic)

Maybe you know maybe you don't but I didn't like Kalinic the whole last season until F4. Then when was the most important, guy showed big balls and great character. From now on he can be the worst player on the court, I will never write one word about him. The same goes for our legends Vesely and Datome.
Now you are making out some logic that we should put in the same basket legends that brought us a title and players that in two consecutive F4( in 4 biggest games in the competition) had 2 points.

To be clear, I don't havea anything against you, just I argue with you conclusion that player who progressed but don't have the balls and character for big games will help Fener to win the title again.
Or you think we should continue to make roster just as F4 contender and forget about the title? To be forever finalist or semifinalist and wait next F4 in Istanbul? In that case it's ok. Cheers