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European Competitions 2023/24 - Signings & Rumours

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tonia said:
Fener had never reached F4 before Obradovic and when Obradovic came, Fener reached F4 5 times in a row and even won a title. You make it sound like reaching F4 is taken for granted. It is not and as a proof for it, Fener hasn't reached F4 after Obradovic.
You believe that Obradovic was not successful with Fener because he didn't win half of 5 titles, meaning 2 or 3 titles instead of 1?? In other words, if Fener had reached twice F4 with Obradovic and had won 1 title, this would have made Obradovic more successful because he would have 50% ratio of winning cups??
Let's take CSKA. From 2000 to 2021, they reached F4 18 times and they just won it 4 times. I believe that CSKA was quite successful, despite the 4/18 ratio.​
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It also depends on the price - performance ratio. With that being said Olympiacos is very successful reaching the FInal four with this team. You cant normally expect guys like Mckissic, Larentzakis to reach F4 but if you build a team that reaches F4 once then you can also expect doing it several times as long as you can keep the core. This is a success but the main goal remains winning titles.
 
MikeMaccabiFan said:
Yes, return on investment question is also important, but I didn't call Saras a success, just not complete failure.

Same as I don't call Kattash a success this year - we could do so much more with this roster, if not two-four games in regular season he lost with bad game management. Not a failure as well, we did show some great basketball, and same time had healthy and (mostly) happy locker room. We don't know yet (might not know until end of his career) why Brown threw away much higher proposals from Spain and agreed for long contract extension, but there must be something special in the team.
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I think that he was successful at 99% with this budget and roster, he gave his soul, he studied the opponents excellently, he exploited even mediocre players.

On the other hand he is a yesman of the property, we know that he won't demand anything and it will be very difficult to improve further with him.
 
Barcelona asks Mirotic to reduce significantly his salary? A 50% cut is rumoured. I don't think he would accept.
 
Sloukas renew his contract with Oly for 3 more years.
He will finish his carrier in Oly.
 
tonia said:
Zeljiko was in Fener from 2013 to 2020.
In his second season to the team (2015), Fener reached F4 for the first time in their history (4th). In 2016 Fener lost in the EL final (2nd), while in 2017 Fener won the title (1st). In 2018 they were again 2nd and in 2019 4th. (In 2020 EL was cancelled due to covid). Fener hasn't reached F4 ever since, even though remains a team with a high budget (24 millions- steadily around 6th of the list of season budgets of EuroLeague teams).
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Good response and I totally agree with you.

In addition to this, most people in Turkey know that winning a title for Fener (and the boiling cauldron that is) was a near-impossibility, regardless of budget. It took the best coach of the EL history several years to get it. Still an amazing job.
 
Levenspiel said:
Good response and I totally agree with you.

In addition to this, most people in Turkey know that winning a title for Fener (and the boiling cauldron that is) was a near-impossibility, regardless of budget. It took the best coach of the EL history several years to get it. Still an amazing job.
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Reading it again, it makes me wonder :
​​​Panathinaikos hasn't reached F4 after Obradovic.
Fener hasn't reached F4 after Obradovic.
I hope it's not some kind of "curse", for the teams that he has coached many years...
 
Toruko said:
Sloukas with 36 in Oly. Very fine.
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Sloukas and Papanikolaou are the connecting links between the 2012-2013 team and the current one. I know many of you can't understand it, but as Olympiacos fan I am very happy to see these athletes in the team's shirt. We have many joys and many memories from these players and we want them to end their careers in the team, and for the team to honor them as they deserve.

So yes....We are happy for Sloukas renewal because he is living legend for this team.
Besides, I don't think there are many better Greek players than these two, and the teams needs domestic players.
 
zubitos said:
Sloukas and Papanikolaou are the connecting links between the 2012-2013 team and the current one. I know many of you can't understand it, but as Olympiacos fan I am very happy to see these athletes in the team's shirt. We have many joys and many memories from these players and we want them to end their careers in the team, and for the team to honor them as they deserve.
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It’s really nice to have the ability and create the general circumstances to have players that have offered a lot to a club, being able to retire with that club.

Fans tend to have a ride or die relationship with players that have put their best effort forward. For example (a kinda extreme in the negative side example) Pao fans wanted Lasme and Gist well into 2020 (because of how they have terrorized Oly back in 2013-14).
 
Levenspiel said:
Good response and I totally agree with you.

In addition to this, most people in Turkey know that winning a title for Fener (and the boiling cauldron that is) was a near-impossibility, regardless of budget. It took the best coach of the EL history several years to get it. Still an amazing job.
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I'm surprised that anyone has forgotten this so quickly. Ataman winning the Eurocup with Galatasaray in 2016 was a huge deal as well.
 
Jazz said:
I'm surprised that anyone has forgotten this so quickly. Ataman winning the Eurocup with Galatasaray in 2016 was a huge deal as well.
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Galatasaray is still paying the debts of this time.
 
It seems that Josh Nebo is already out of Maccabi's roster for the rest of the season and also for the next one.

The Eurocup (or the champions league) is the right competition for him.


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Mannion to Fener could be smart move. This looks like the real Itoudis from CSKA

Bitim could be good move also

There are rumors

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sloukas did not renew with olympiakos and according to my sources he is going to partizan
 
ronmercer80 said:
I think that he was successful at 99% with this budget and roster, he gave his soul, he studied the opponents excellently, he exploited even mediocre players.

On the other hand he is a yesman of the property, we know that he won't demand anything and it will be very difficult to improve further with him.
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Roster was very good, as I keep saying this whole year. Kattash didn't have much mediocre players, except ones he brought himself in the middle of the season. He didn't use Hilliard properly, he didn't use Martin properly, he didn't use Hollins properly, he absolutely destroyed Ziv (not big fan, but he is athletic and was good in the league for years, not now). If not two-three unnecessary losses to teams who ended under Maccabi at the end, we would be in F4.

As for demands, we will have to see. As you mentioned in different post, Nebo might be out. Right now he is injured, so he probably out for the season. As for the next one, it is being discussed in different forums, not sure if in Maccabi management too. It is not fair to him, but there was a whisper in One podcast about it. He is high flyer, and good rebounder. Rim protection is not really there, passing is not there. So if Maccabi has good 4/5 in works, Nebo might not continue. Nothing is final, we have championship to win.
 
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