Europe vs. Asia

[bsgermany2]

well Lebanon can easly beat Germany and many other european countries. We are progressing so fast. if you check the archive 10 years ago ther was no professional basketball teams in lebanon. in 2006 our NT escaped with a bus from the bombing and yet we beated France (Africa i can say)

good joke!! That's all there is to it.

Germany certainly played a terrible game against Australia - setbacks like that happen when you use so many young and unexperienced players and come off a double ot win against Serbia the day before.

At least Germany has beaten Serbia already, and lost a very unfortunate one in the last minute against Argentina.
Lebanon on the other hand got its ass kicked by France and only beat a very moody Canadian team. So what makes you believe they could beat any of the european teams in this tournament??

Germanys opponent Jordan hasn't shown anything in this tournament yet and is so far one of the weakest teams around. Let's wait and see what will happen when Germany faces Jordan. So far Germany has shown much better performances in this tournament than Jordan.

 

[Picek2]

LOL Jordan winning against Lebanon. when did that happen?

you seem to forget Jordan won a bronze medal at last years asian champs..
if I remember correctly they won the group game just as easy as the bronze medal game..
I'm not saying anything with it but atleast you should think first before writing something like the thing you wrote..

 

[CG2]

Asutralia-Germany ended 87-43. Germany is too weak

Germany was too tired..

 

[TigerLebanon2]

you seem to forget Jordan won a bronze medal at last years asian champs..
if I remember correctly they won the group game just as easy as the bronze medal game..
I'm not saying anything with it but atleast you should think first before writing something like the thing you wrote..

Thats true. But when this happened Lebanon had no federation and no coach.

 

[Dtown2]

what Americas? In fact only USA this coutry. USA VS Europe is exacter

u can write USA VS Team from All-World easily, it is better.

I think Brazil and Argentina will have something to say about that.

 

[Justin in AZ2]

I think Brazil and Argentina will have something to say about that.

An All-South American team would also be very good! Some of their best individual players do not play for great teams, like Batista, especially.

It would great fun to see a Continental Cup, putting all-stars from each continent together.

We could make special "origins rule", so African could have benefit of African Americans, African French, etc. It would give them a chance!

 

[busy2]

well Lebanon can easly beat Germany and many other european countries. We are progressing so fast. if you check the archive 10 years ago ther was no professional basketball teams in lebanon. in 2006 our NT escaped with a bus from the bombing and yet we beated France (Africa i can say)

Please continue your funny jokes .

Lebanon not even prominent in asia. always behaind Iran and China .How you talk about winning European teams.?!!!!!!!

 

[nader2]

hahahahahah you guys make me laugh i understand that the lebanese nt don't have right now the ability to win top European nts but i assure you that we have the most talented players in asia and maybe more talented than Europe. do you now that we have an 18 years old guard that is right know compared to torkouglou his name is ahmad ibrahim(200cm) and he was the best scorer in the under 18 asian championship just aging 15 years old ? and he's one of the most powerful players heading to the ncaa do you know that fady el khatib in 2006 was classified as the best asian player even better than yao ming?
and do you know that fady was picked by la clippers in 2003 and was replaced when his team refused to give him his release and do you know that matt freyje was one of the best players in the ncaa ? and do you know that the lebanese under18 nt won waba by beating jordan and iran just after having a 3 weeks preperation time and without ahmad ibrahim

i've only said this things to show you that if we had an organized basketball program we will be the top team in asia and an -A- class team you will see in 2011 asian championship because until then we w'll have stability in the team by having coach tab the head coach until then and you will mark my words

 

[bsgermany2]

hahahahahah you guys make me laugh i understand that the lebanese nt don't have right now the ability to win top European nts but i assure you that we have the most talented players in asia and maybe more talented than Europe. do you now that we have an 18 years old guard that is right know compared to torkouglou his name is ahmad ibrahim(200cm) and he was the best scorer in the under 18 asian championship just aging 15 years old ? and he's one of the most powerful players heading to the ncaa do you know that fady el khatib in 2006 was classified as the best asian player even better than yao ming?
and do you know that fady was picked by la clippers in 2003 and was replaced when his team refused to give him his release and do you know that matt freyje was one of the best players in the ncaa ? and do you know that the lebanese under18 nt won waba by beating jordan and iran just after having a 3 weeks preperation time and without ahmad ibrahim

i've only said this things to show you that if we had an organized basketball program we will be the top team in asia and an -A- class team you will see in 2011 asian championship because until then we w'll have stability in the team by having coach tab the head coach until then and you will mark my words

Well, it's hard to see the point in your post. Your NT is naturally been judged upon its current performance, and not upon what may or may not come one day.
Your current NT has proven at least up to now that it can ot compete with the participating european NT's and most likely quite a fiew other non participating ones either.
That you have the most talented players in Asia could already be doubted, but more talented than Europe is simply ridiculous.

 

[bsgermany2]

Russia beats China 89-80. Pretty close game 'til crunch time.

 

[bsgermany2]

After the big loss against France, Lebanon also with no chance at all against Spain.

 

[bsgermany2]

Not much of a doubt that Europe still kept the distance to Asia quite big.
10 games - 10 more or less easy wins.

 

[Kdash8882]

I don't know where these Lebanese fans got there confidence from. Best prospects in Asia, and even better than Europe? Why not just claim you have the best talents in this galaxy? Future Lebron, Dwade, and Kobe all gonna be Lebanese.

And with regards to above post. Not all of them had been easy wins. At least China managed to keep up with Greece and Russia till the very last seconds.

 

[bsgermany2]

And with regards to above post. Not all of them had been easy wins. At least China managed to keep up with Greece and Russia till the very last seconds.

That's why I said more or less - other wise it would have been 10 easy wins.

China was quite a challenger, but even this mighty giant can't yet challenge europes top teams. Lebanon and Jordan couldn't prove that thay got much closer to european level.

 

[daniab2]

That's why I said more or less - other wise it would have been 10 easy wins.

China was quite a challenger, but even this mighty giant can't yet challenge europes top teams. Lebanon and Jordan couldn't prove that thay got much closer to european level.

are you serious ? how can you even talk and your team without Nowitski didn't qualify to 2nd round ?

both Jordan and Lebanon made strong games , they were able to keep it close with most of the teams but sometimes you can't matchup big teams all the time.

Lebanon beat Canada with Andy Rautins and Joel Anthony on the board , they were close with Spain but bad officiating killed the game although im not saying we can beat them , the game with france was almost close but in 2nd half we gave up and start pushing our bench players before the NZ game.
the only bad game we played is vs NZ and even kirk penney said that our players were overconfident about the win , and thats one of the reason we blame our team for this mentality.

Jordan as well , deserve to win over Australia , they made a good fight against Angola and Argentina , their only bad game was against serbia.

In general , they were not weak and they had a nice championship and we as Lebanese are proud that our fans were supporting our team from the court so that proves again why we are there!

 

[bsgermany2]

are you serious ? how can you even talk and your team without Nowitski didn't qualify to 2nd round ?

both Jordan and Lebanon made strong games , they were able to keep it close with most of the teams but sometimes you can't matchup big teams all the time.

Lebanon beat Canada with Andy Rautins and Joel Anthony on the board , they were close with Spain but bad officiating killed the game although im not saying we can beat them , the game with france was almost close but in 2nd half we gave up and start pushing our bench players before the NZ game.
the only bad game we played is vs NZ and even kirk penney said that our players were overconfident about the win , and thats one of the reason we blame our team for this mentality.

Jordan as well , deserve to win over Australia , they made a good fight against Angola and Argentina , their only bad game was against serbia.

In general , they were not weak and they had a nice championship and we as Lebanese are proud that our fans were supporting our team from the court so that proves again why we are there!

The young german team disappointed in this tournament - no doubt about that, but not s serious either since the main goal from the very beginning was for the young guys to gain experience for the Euro Champs in Lithuania, where they will reunite with Nowitzky for the olympic qualifier. Nevertheless, the ot loss to angola was a humiliating one, that even the very easy win over Jordan the day after couldn't really make up for.

I thought that we were talking about the general comparison between Europe and Asia, and not Germany and Asia (didn't we beat Jordan easily??).
If you call big defeats like the ones of Lebanon against France, Spain or even Lithuania good or even close results, keep on dreaming.
Blaming the loss to Spain to bad officiating is ridiculous, as you may know yourself. Actually, your only win came against a canadian team, that cannot be counted as one of the stronger ones in this tournament either.

Anyway, the results between european and asian teams in this tournament speak for themselves and still indicate quite a difference between Asia (except China) and Europe - wether you like it or not.

Jordan? You keep mentioning scores again, that don't belong in this discission here. Their game against Serbia was a very one sided affair, and Germany didn't really have problems with them either due to their dominance inside. So where is your point?

Bottom lie is that Lebanon, Jordan and even Iran failed and didn't manage to win a single game against european teams, loosing by an average margin of 23points.

 

[sinobball2]

Based on this tournament so far,
USA -gap- Europe~Oceania -gap- Asia~Africa

Rest of Americas spread in between.

 

[Luíz for 32]

both Jordan and Lebanon made strong games , they were able to keep it close with most of the teams but sometimes you can't matchup big teams all the time.

Not at all. Look at your results vs. European Teams, you lost in average by 26,3 points, that is an huge difference. Lebanon is not, in the present and we are talking about it, a competitive team at the world stage.

Lebanon beat Canada with Andy Rautins and Joel Anthony on the board

First you say Lebanon can keep games close with big European teams, then you’re happy with a win vs. Canada! Not understanding

the only bad game we played is vs NZ and even kirk penney said that our players were overconfident about the win , and thats one of the reason we blame our team for this mentality.

What’s the reason for Lebanese players think they are superior to NZ?? Indeed, I think Lebanese fans contribute a bit to this overconfidence levels.

i assure you that we have the most talented players in asia and maybe more talented than Europe.

You must be kidding!! Asia too far away from Europe in every aspect concerning to basketball. The results of the WC are just the evidence.

Based on this tournament so far,
USA -gap- Europe~Oceania -gap- Asia~Africa

Rest of Americas spread in between.

Don’t put Oceania and Europe side-by-side! That’s not true and obviously it’s also not true that Argentina or Brazil are a level over European Teams… Compare different FIBA Zones is always non-linear task.

 

[pohani komarac2]

from what i saw from asian teams jordan have most talented players but they play streetbasket idividually and as a team. for me they shown most from asian teams here. i realy think some of this players could play very high level basketball if they pased trough some europian or american youth proces. chinese could be amazieng in europe with their agility, smartness and shooting. i think euro coach would fit them better then american

 

[sseppel2]

This could be a very good thread to recover the post that were around here a week ago comparing Vroman with Scola, some people were convinced that there wasn't that much difference between them, just that Scola had had better oportunities