Euroleague/Club Competition 2019-20: Signings & Rumours - Offseason

[Jazz2]

You forgot Hilliard, he is basically replacement for Higgins. Baker is an addition to widen rotation

It also took time for Higgins to grow into the player he was last season. He was a good player from the first season, but he was more of a role player earlier on in his CSKA career.

 

[Ziya K2]

Their backcourt is way worse and their front court marginally better.Voigtman is better than Peters but still is a soft,no defense player.Koufos is a bit better than Hunter but not much of a difference maker either.

Moved from having a great backcourt and an alright frontcourt to a shitty backcourt and a promising frontcourt

 

[edvinas92]

First of all, it is very hard to change such a good back-court (De Colo, Higgins, Chacho) in one summer. Secondly, if you have a lot of money (like CSKA do) you need to convince players to play there, and I am sure as hell, that there are no good players in Euroleague/NBA, that wants to play in Russia.

 

[vivo2]

I can't shake the feeling that CSKA will again be in the F4 anyway, but their roster is not intimidating as last couple of years.

 

[Jazz2]

Can NBA teams actually pay that amount of money as buyout? Or Guduric is paying some of it, I wonder

You're right. I remember the fee used to be $500,000 but from what I've just read the figure is now $650,000. So yes, Guduric would have to make up the rest.

 

[Picek2]

Their backcourt is way worse and their front court marginally better.Voigtman is better than Peters but still is a soft,no defense player.Koufos is a bit better than Hunter but not much of a difference maker either.

you know how many times in their history CSKA won b2b euroleague titles?
never.
I like what they did, they went out of their comfort zone and can't get rid of the feeling that by getting rid of De Colo, Rodriguez and Higgins they were the ones who actually decided to get fresh blood.
De Colo and Rodriguez maybe didn't like living in Moscow but De Colo was there for five years, so for five years he didn't like living in Moscow but surely liked the paychecks.
Rodrguez was also getting a hefty paycheck.
has anyone seen a single quote from Itoudis or CSKA management where they cried about any of them leaving?
the point is, I would say it was CSKA who decided to let them go and not the players who decided to leave CSKA.

I think Itoudis together with CSKA management did a fine job, it will take them some time to glue but they have better chances of repeat with this roster then they would have with De Colo and Rodriguez.
and unlike Khimki, which will probably collapse result wise by mid season (as they usually do), who signed "stars" CSKA went for "smaller" names which they carefully choose.
sure, I can be wrong but I can't shake the feeling that their off season is good and carefully planned without panicking at any point of it.
now it is all on Itoudis to return the confidence he got from management who didn't fire him after 2018. F4, and if he can bring home a repeat he will be a legend.

 

[Jazz2]

you know how many times in their history CSKA won b2b euroleague titles?
never.
I like what they did, they went out of their comfort zone and can't get rid of the feeling that by getting rid of De Colo, Rodriguez and Higgins they were the ones who actually decided to get fresh blood.
De Colo and Rodriguez maybe didn't like living in Moscow but De Colo was there for five years, so for five years he didn't like living in Moscow but surely liked the paychecks.
Rodrguez was also getting a hefty paycheck.
has anyone seen a single quote from Itoudis or CSKA management where they cried about any of them leaving?
the point is, I would say it was CSKA who decided to let them go and not the players who decided to leave CSKA.

I think Itoudis together with CSKA management did a fine job, it will take them some time to glue but they have better chances of repeat with this roster then they would have with De Colo and Rodriguez.
and unlike Khimki, which will probably collapse result wise by mid season (as they usually do), who signed "stars" CSKA went for "smaller" names which they carefully choose.
sure, I can be wrong but I can't shake the feeling that their off season is good and carefully planned without panicking at any point of it.
now it is all on Itoudis to return the confidence he got from management who didn't fire him after 2018. F4, and if he can bring home a repeat he will be a legend.

I think this is a really interesting perspective. I posted a week ago that I thought Vatutin was trying to avoid a repeat of how they let their roster get too old back in 2010 and maybe that they learnt lessons from that.
It does look like they gambled a bit in terms of letting those three guys walk without having guaranteed replacements lined up. They still had Chacho under contract.

 

[iraz2]

you know how many times in their history CSKA won b2b euroleague titles?
never.
I like what they did, they went out of their comfort zone and can't get rid of the feeling that by getting rid of De Colo, Rodriguez and Higgins they were the ones who actually decided to get fresh blood.
De Colo and Rodriguez maybe didn't like living in Moscow but De Colo was there for five years, so for five years he didn't like living in Moscow but surely liked the paychecks.
Rodrguez was also getting a hefty paycheck.
has anyone seen a single quote from Itoudis or CSKA management where they cried about any of them leaving?
the point is, I would say it was CSKA who decided to let them go and not the players who decided to leave CSKA.

I think Itoudis together with CSKA management did a fine job, it will take them some time to glue but they have better chances of repeat with this roster then they would have with De Colo and Rodriguez.
and unlike Khimki, which will probably collapse result wise by mid season (as they usually do), who signed "stars" CSKA went for "smaller" names which they carefully choose.
sure, I can be wrong but I can't shake the feeling that their off season is good and carefully planned without panicking at any point of it.
now it is all on Itoudis to return the confidence he got from management who didn't fire him after 2018. F4, and if he can bring home a repeat he will be a legend.

+++++++++!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Jon_Koncak2]

I dont think this roster has any chance of winning euroelague.In the end of the day all that matters is the individual quality.I struggle to find one CSKA player that i'd rank in top 10 of euroleague right now.Maybe Clyburn.Maybe.But then again maybe they are just..rebuilding sort of,which makes sense.All their contracts are for one year.

 

[iraz2]

I am sure as hell, that there are no good players in Euroleague/NBA, that wants to play in Russia.

Poor CSKA Playing every year in the FF with shitty players...

 

[Jazz2]

Poor CSKA Playing every year in the FF with shitty players...

Iraz, is there any chance that Mikhail Kulagin might play more this season?I know he plays a bit more in the VTB than in Euroleague.

 

[edvinas92]

Poor CSKA Playing every year in the FF with shitty players...

I can ensure you, that 99% of players would choose to play anywhere else then Russia if they would get the same amount of money, and in this season every single team's budget looks growing.

 

[iraz2]

Iraz, is there any chance that Mikhail Kulagin might play more this season?I know he plays a bit more in the VTB than in Euroleague.

I hope so. But I don't know if he has fully recovered yet. And besides, if we really sign James, then his chances on more time in EL are slim.

 

[iraz2]

I can ensure you, that 99% of players would choose to play anywhere else then Russia if they would get the same amount of money, and in this season every single team's budget looks growing.

99%, really? Climate-wise - yes, there are better countries, but I do believe there are players who also want to play in one of the best teams in Europe and to win with it. You should read or listen what Hines says about living and playing in Moscow. For 6 years now.

 

[janketa2]

I see Fener rookies in this forum and some others already consider CSKA backcourt as shity, they probably think Itoudis and Vatutin are fools who waste milions for nothing.

CSKA backcourt is more then solid, better then Fener backcourt last season and James under Itoudis will be totaly different player then in Milano.

 

[Adon2]

I see Fener rookies in this forum and some others already consider CSKA backcourt as shity, they probably think Itoudis and Vatutin are fools who waste milions for nothing.

CSKA backcourt is more then solid, better then Fener backcourt last season and James under Itoudis will be totaly different player then in Milano.

I agree with you and I can't understand all that hate/underestimation of James. MJ is like a gun. Can save your life or shoot your foot. It depends on how you will use him

 

[Worrax2]

99%, really? Climate-wise - yes, there are better countries, but I do believe there are players who also want to play in one of the best teams in Europe and to win with it. You should read or listen what Hines says about living and playing in Moscow. For 6 years now.

Moscow... One of the most beatiful capitals of the world. Nice people, most of them with European mentality, a place must see for most of the foreigners. Masses who likes sports, basketball is always one of the top... They have interest. Yes, their gym is maybe not as noisy as Maccabi, Crvena or Fener, but has always nice atmosphere. Last 24 years i am personally around this geography but never been in Moscow, but believe me all neighbours of Russia knows that; Moscow is a different world. So any player who visits or plays there, i am sure they are glad. Finally, of course money's playing a big role but it's also a nice experience and i believe these people are so happy. That's my point of view.

 

[Adon2]

Masses who likes sports, basketball is always one of the top... .

I think bball doesn't make it even in the top-7 most popular sports in Russia.
Other than that, Moscow is definitely one of the "must see" cities of Europe. Not everyone can stand their weather for long though.

 

[EverGreen2]

Moscow... One of the most beatiful capitals of the world. Nice people, most of them with European mentality, a place must see for most of the foreigners. Masses who likes sports, basketball is always one of the top... They have interest. Yes, their gym is maybe not as noisy as Maccabi, Crvena or Fener, but has always nice atmosphere. Last 24 years i am personally around this geography but never been in Moscow, but believe me all neighbours of Russia knows that; Moscow is a different world. So any player who visits or plays there, i am sure they are glad. Finally, of course money's playing a big role but it's also a nice experience and i believe these people are so happy. That's my point of view.

Giourkas Seitaridis (footballer) was transferred to Dinamo Moscow and had his pay go up 6-fold from 500.000K at Porto to 3 million a year but when he saw he could not drive his open roof Aston Martin's and Lamborghini's in Moscow after September he wanted out (after just 6 months). The Dinamo President said no and Seitaridis responded by saying "If you don't sell me, I will retire." (he was 25). After that he was sold to Athletico Madrid at the end of the season after 1 year to earn only half of his Dinamo salary. He was willing to drop 1,5 mil a season just to get away from the cold.

 

[Worrax2]

I think bball doesn't make it even in the top-7 most popular sports in Russia.
Other than that, Moscow is definitely one of the "must see" cities of Europe. Not everyone can stand their weather for long though.

I didn't really know that basketball doesn't make it in the top-7 most popular sports, but as far as i know from my Russian friends, they have good interest... maybe just my friends, who knows oh yes, it's too cold and winter is too long in Moscow.