Euroleague/Club Competition 2019-20: Signings & Rumours - Offseason

[Tevfik19072]

I hope you will be satisfied with his shooting ability. But i think many fener fans and more importantly Obradovic will be mad at times with his shot selection. Btw he shot 33 % threes last season. People are blended by his highlights, which are impressive, no question. But in comparison to Melli he is only an upgrade in form of athleticism for me. I think its not a good fit for Obradovics Fener

As long as he can shoot, that's fine. We just don't want to see other defenses let our PF free from the 3pts line, that would effect our system. Thus, a shooter PF is very important for our system.

Williams has an extra ability if we compare him with Melli, Melli is a better defender and slightly better shooter I agree, but Williams is a better dribbler. He is way better that his Rv Fouls (forcing other defenses to make foul) statistic is 4.1 per game, that's better than even Sloukas' Rv (3.3), much better than Melli's (2.4), it's almost on par with Vesely and Campazzo when it comes to forcing other defenses to make faul. For that reason as well he is a valuable player.

 

[Cemalex2]

Nah, I'm just mocking you, take it easy. We all know there is no good player on earth unless they sign with Fener.

No this idea is the reflection of yout butthurt with Fener. De Colo is one of the best guards and D Will is one of the talented forwards. This is the normal opinion of random fans.

There are some very good players they dont at Fener such as Higgins Clyburn Larkin Micic etc. Your opinion is just the product of your butthurt. You are acting like a hater ezzik. That is pathetic

 

[arelg2]

Omri Casspi Contract With Maccabi :
2019/20 - 1M Dollar
2020/21 - 1M Dollar
2021/2022 - 1.2M Dollar
+ Captain of the team

 

[Levenspiel2]

No this idea is the reflection of yout butthurt with Fener. De Colo is one of the best guards and D Will is one of the talented forwards. This is the normal opinion of random fans.

There are some very good players they dont at Fener such as Higgins Clyburn Larkin Micic etc. Your opinion is just the product of your butthurt. You are acting like a hater ezzik. That is pathetic

well, you not only lack any sense of humor, but are way too predictable in everything you write, including this.

Your absence will not be felt, I can autofill a few posts for you later on if I feel like it.

 

[maccabeo2]

Omri Casspi Contract With Maccabi :
2019/20 - 1M Dollar
2020/21 - 1M Dollar
2021/2022 - 1.2M Dollar
+ Captain of the team

Again, good add and great food for fans so now we are ready adding minor players, saving lots of money but fans will always fill nokia so the club won again despite another mediocre year (if we ll not add a couple of great players)

 

[Demetrios I. Soter2]

Kostas Kofous is free Agent and could be free for Europe soon.

 

[Toruko2]

Kostas Kofous could be free Agent soon.

Would fit to PAO. I like his hookshots. Looks really good. Stable old school Center...

 

[Metec2]

Omri Casspi Contract With Maccabi :
2019/20 - 1M Dollar
2020/21 - 1M Dollar
2021/2022 - 1.2M Dollar
+ Captain of the team

If he indeed signed with the team, it will be a great move by Maccabi.
I think Omri did some discount for Maccabi, he defently could have pushed them harder given the fact that they feel kinda desperate this offseason.
Finally after a lot of years, Maccabi should have a real Israel roll player, maybe even a lead player if he'll adjust well to Europe.

Personally, I'm still not counting on Zoosman (poor numbers in EL last year, poor numbers in NBA summer league) as offensive contributor or Avdija as any contributor, but Omri presence should help them and help Israeli basketball.

And beside being a good player, he is just a great guy and a role model, I'm sure he'll be a great leader to the team.

 

[CoachZ2]

1.5 m dollars = 1.3 m euros for Williams. He is one of the top Power Forwards in Euroleague, and if his concentration were also top level, he would be in NBA. I mean, what do people think appropriate pay for a player like this? 650k as CoachZ said? Good luck bringing in Williams, Shengelia, Mirotic, Melli last year etc. with that money this year.

My only concern is that he is much below Melli in terms of defense and basketball IQ, and hopefully we will bring a final big man rim protector. But we definitely needed athleticism and 3PT shots from PF and Williams brings that to table.

C'mon. His skillset is plentiful and the production can be found at even 400-500k. All that without the ego of a player who thinks the world owes him something, just because and idiot drafted him No. 2 overall. He is a really bad rebounder despite his athleticism. He is also not a good shooter. He has value in transition and cutting to the basket. I am quite sure that you can do much, much better. He is not a good defender at all, and he doesn't contribute as rim protector.

 

[vivo2]

C'mon. His skillset is plentiful and the production can be found at even 400-500k. All that without the ego of a player who thinks the world owes him something, just because and idiot drafted him No. 2 overall. He is a really bad rebounder despite his athleticism. He is also not a good shooter. He has value in transition and cutting to the basket. I am quite sure that you can do much, much better. He is not a good defender at all, and he doesn't contribute as rim protector.

Can you suggest a single player that has produced similar contribution who'd play for 500k? I genuinely can't think of one. By the way reports are Milano has offered him even more, it shows the lack of depth in European market.

His offensive rebounding is decent actually, check the stats. And we have Vesely, Lauvergne, Kalinic for defensive rebounding.

For shooting... His 3p% drops from 42% to 26% in games won to lost. I think it's clear good teams completely focused on Williams to make things harder for him. He'll be much more free while shooting here, but he needs to do better shot selection.

In defense I agree, he has occasional blocks but he frequently loses concentration. That's why I believe we'll have a rim protector type transfer. Our backcourt isn't good in defense, and frontcourt can't compensate enough for that.

 

[CoachZ2]

Can you suggest a single player that has produced similar contribution who'd play for 500k? I genuinely can't think of one. By the way reports are Milano has offered him even more, it shows the lack of depth in European market.

His offensive rebounding is decent actually, check the stats. And we have Vesely, Lauvergne, Kalinic for defensive rebounding.

For shooting... His 3p% drops from 42% to 26% in games won to lost. I think it's clear good teams completely focused on Williams to make things harder for him. He'll be much more free while shooting here, but he needs to do better shot selection.

In defense I agree, he has occasional blocks but he frequently loses concentration. That's why I believe we'll have a rim protector type transfer. Our backcourt isn't good in defense, and frontcourt can't compensate enough for that.

For example Nigel Hayes that was in Galata. He is a much more complete player compared to Williams and I am sure that you could sign him for half the amount you gave Williams. Or do you think that Zalgiris gave him 1m Vince Hunter for AEK as well.

I know at least 5 G League players that fit the profile as well and can make a difference. I am not even talking at 1.5mil where you could've gotten pretty much anyone outside of a few players.

A waste of money...

 

[Demetrios I. Soter2]

Would fit to PAO. I like his hookshots. Looks really good. Stable old school Center...

Yes he is an old school Center but he has 4 Nba teams interested on him, one of them Milwaukee. Just in case he dont get a contract he would consider europe.

 

[janketa2]

De Colo -top signing
Westerman -good signing
Wiliams-

Wtf is with obra is he on vacation or what. This guy did nothing in Bayern and he will ruin us it's obvious. Better not signing no one then this.

 

[vivo2]

For example Nigel Hayes that was in Galata. He is a much more complete player compared to Williams and I am sure that you could sign him for half the amount you gave Williams. Or do you think that Zalgiris gave him 1m Vince Hunter for AEK as well.

I know at least 5 G League players that fit the profile as well and can make a difference. I am not even talking at 1.5mil where you could've gotten pretty much anyone outside of a few players.

A waste of money...

Nigel Hayes has similar stats in TBL playoffs to what Williams did in Euroleague. He could contribute more than Williams did, but we'll see. On the other hand we know the least amount of contribution we can get from Williams, which is being the top guy in an average EL team. I'm not in favor of taking risks for paying 500k less, we have had a big opening in salary after many players have left.

 

[CoachZ2]

Nigel Hayes has similar stats in TBL playoffs to what Williams did in Euroleague. He could contribute more than Williams did, but we'll see. On the other hand we know the least amount of contribution we can get from Williams, which is being the top guy in an average EL team. I'm not in favor of taking risks for paying 500k less, we have had a big opening in salary after many players have left.

The issue is that Williams numbers are inflated due to him being a centerpiece of that offense. In Fener he will be what 5-6th option maybe? That is how you throw away money. You can direct that money elsewhere, and not get a guy like Westermann for PG spot. You take that difference and actually make a run at a decent PG...

The thing is if you pay half of that money to a player that will do all the small things and be satisfied with his role, you will get much more for your team. Williams is a guy that has an undeservedly high opinion of himself and also he hasn't improved his skillset since leaving NCAA. He is a guy that is just not there to win.

 

[arelg2]

If he indeed signed with the team, it will be a great move by Maccabi.
I think Omri did some discount for Maccabi, he defently could have pushed them harder given the fact that they feel kinda desperate this offseason.
Finally after a lot of years, Maccabi should have a real Israel roll player, maybe even a lead player if he'll adjust well to Europe.

Personally, I'm still not counting on Zoosman (poor numbers in EL last year, poor numbers in NBA summer league) as offensive contributor or Avdija as any contributor, but Omri presence should help them and help Israeli basketball.

And beside being a good player, he is just a great guy and a role model, I'm sure he'll be a great leader to the team.

I agree with every word, especially your last row, Casspi is a great leader and definitely a role model.
He will be the starting PF next to Black that plays in the Center position off course .
Now Zoosman - all the fans hoping that he will be able to be good As everyone expects him to be, something like 7-8 points per game will be great.
I can tell you that he will get a lot of credit from the coaching stuff in the start of the season, maybe even he will be the starting SF in the first games just to see if he really able to be good in the Euroleague after offseason that he worked on his Weaknesses and improved is game.

 

[Tevfik19072]

The issue is that Williams numbers are inflated due to him being a centerpiece of that offense. In Fener he will be what 5-6th option maybe? That is how you throw away money. You can direct that money elsewhere, and not get a guy like Westermann for PG spot. You take that difference and actually make a run at a decent PG...

The thing is if you pay half of that money to a player that will do all the small things and be satisfied with his role, you will get much more for your team. Williams is a guy that has an undeservedly high opinion of himself and also he hasn't improved his skillset since leaving NCAA. He is a guy that is just not there to win.

Or he can improve himself like Higgins and Clyburn did in CSKA. As well as Udoh, Nunnally and Wanamaker did when they played on our team, we will see.

 

[Roy M2]

De Colo -top signing
Westerman -good signing
Wiliams-

Wtf is with obra is he on vacation or what. This guy did nothing in Bayern and he will ruin us it's obvious. Better not signing no one then this.

Do you think that Singelton is a better signing?

 

[CoachZ2]

Or he can improve himself like Higgins and Clyburn did in CSKA. As well as Udoh, Nunnally and Wanamaker did when they played on our team, we will see.

What you don't see is the skillset. Higgins is a great all-around guard that has no real weaknesses in his game. He did raise his performance but his foundation was great. His shooting has been consistent throughout his career. Clyburn as well, his profile didn't change. He is doing the same things he was in Dacka and Ulm. Nunnally? He played better in Italy where he had an MVP level season before coming to Fener and most of the Fener guys here at IBN labeling him as mediocre and bad Wannamaker improved?? Are you fucking kidding me? Both his EL season in Bamberg and Dacka were better than what he did with Fener. He shot better, he created better. At one point he was considered in the MVP discussion and the No. 1 coveted Free Agent in all of EL.

You are expecting Derrick Williams to be something he is not. You are also expecting him to improve and become a monster which he won't. This is a guy that was drafted No. 2 overall, given all the room to develop and play in a bad team in Minnesota. He had all the resources to become great and he slowly but surely washed out of the league. He was not some fringe guy bouncing around NBA, trying to make it. He came in with skyhigh expectations and he didn't deliver due to himself, and noone else.

Giving 1.5 mil to such a player is asking for trouble...

 

[paspalj2]

I don't understand what is the big deal with people that try to manage Fener's money.

This is the luxury of having a big budget: You get to spend money on players that have already proven themselves. Furthermore, you are not skeptical about giving them a bit extra to convince them. Williams was a top performer this last year so they went ahead and got him.

Could they have gotten a similar player for less money? Maybe. But who cares? As far as I am concerned they are not taking my salary to pay their players

Talent hunting and finding players with potential is something that cash-strapped teams need to do. Also times change in regards to this. An example would be Pao, a team that could afford the best players in all positions but now can only take on some big contracts but needs to scout well for at least 1/3 of the team. Other teams (like Zalgiris or Partizan) always relied on good scouting in order to build competitive teams.

The same goes to Fener fans that try to convince the rest of the forum that DWill was the only choice for them and that he is the greatest player. You have money. Nothing wrong with that. Let's move on.