Euroleague/Club Competition 2019-20: Signings & Rumours - Offseason

[vivo2]

If you take into account his previous Euroleague experience in his early 20’s and project it forward to now in his prime I think he will still be dominant Euroleague player without question.

I think there is no doubt in that, or shouldn't be. Mirotic will be huge for Barça, I hope Heurtel and Pesic can manage to sabotage that team.

 

[Cemalex2]

Singleton is not a pure a PF nor Center. He is slow for a PF but oversized whilst he is undersized but quick for playing as a center. When he was in Pao he was playing in a role closer to the center with more mobile 4's such as Gist. For his shooting and dribbling skills this was a good environment for him. He didn't have to put up a big fight since he had the help from his teammates.

In Barca playing with centers like Tomic and Seraphin as a pure PF was awful for him. With the lack of movement on the offense he couldn't find open shots beyond the arc as he used to in Pana. And also in defense with the fact of Tomic and Seraphin's incapability Singleton's at least the average defensive performance in Pana days also got effected.

I think with Vesely he's a really good match as Vesely is fast for both 4 and 5 while lacking shooting and creativity but also is a very good fighter.

Thinking about the open shots Melli wasn't going for; Singleton would enjoy them a lot. And he can dribble to the paint if he finds space by finishing. Of course Melli's almost point forward coordination will be missed but Singleton's offensive performance would be better for us in overall imho.
Especially after De Colo. Sloukas-De Colo would pose too much problems against any other teams defense which would create more options to our spot up shooters like Datome. And Singleton might be added to this list if he joins.

The problem would be is Melli was a relly good defender and he could play with any player inside. He could play with Kalina if needed even though it wasn't the best scenario for us. So he could play easily with Lauvergne by not letting our defense down. However Singleton-Lauvergne duo are doubtful in defense. I think if this happens and no one else joins; Vesely will have to take longer times and we also might see Lauvergne-Kalinic duo quite often to rest him.

I agree most of them. Even his bad year at Barca he was still around %40 beyond the arc by average 3,5 attempt. He is mobile and has energy.
His defence is not bad, actualy above average. He has fast at perimeter defence but not very agressive at post defence. In overall he is above average defender. I dont think Lauvergne - Singleton duo could face problem at defence so much.

Pao performance is more desicive than Barca's, our offence system more fluid and will help Singleton.

I think we should go after Udoh no matter how good Singleton is Udoh was monster and with him only injuries could stops us.

 

[Saybia2]

Why?? De Colo is euroleague MVP and F4 MVP at 2016, also this year he was the real man despite Clyburn named MVP. ( He was the star of Real Game. Real game was more desicive than Efes game, whoever wins would past Efes easiliy at final) . On the other hand Larkin had a good year at Baskonia but not superstar level. Also had very bad half year at Efes. He just open the monster mode last 3 months. His potential is very good and he could be comparable with De Colo but insult ??? Larkin is not Westbrook or Harden.

The shitty guard defense and the absence of a center of FB made him seen like Westbrook by some people. He is a good player but he's not unstoppable. Even in the final while making 29 points he played with 7/17 FG (reminding me Mike James) while De Colo was with 5/6. If you take out Micic from Efes, Larkin's performance would significantly decline.

On the other hand in Real game until the late 3rd quarter De Colo was really bad as well. Then later he stepped up.

As a result Larkin, De Colo, Higgins all are good players with different skills. They are all performing well within the right environment, right role. There is no Bryant, Durant in European basketball.

 

[Toruko2]

I read this sentence as "I only watch Efes games"

I watch all Euroleague games and the value of larkin is in this gamestyle where almost every team makes man to man switch defense is another level. He is unstoppable in running at the rim. I dont deny de colo is a great scorer and also maybe a better shooter than larkin but larkin is overall still better.

 

[Saybia2]

I agree most of them. Even his bad year at Barca he was still around %40 beyond the arc by average 3,5 attempt. He is mobile and has energy.
His defence is not bad, actualy above average. He has fast at perimeter defence but not very agressive at post defence. In overall he is above average defender. I dont think Lauvergne - Singleton duo could face problem at defence so much.

Pao performance is more desicive than Barca's, our offence system more fluid and will help Singleton.

I think we should go after Udoh no matter how good Singleton is Udoh was monster and with him only injuries could stops us.

Depending on the line up; for instance Hines/Hunter-Clyburn duo with their mobility might cause problems against Lauvergne-Singleton. But Ayon-Thompkins would be fine. As every team has sort of weaknesses it is not that a big deal for me either. I agree..

I think keeping Lauvergne means we should go for a 4-5 with more consistent shooting. When Udoh was with us there was at least Antic who can pose a threat. Or we will have to play with Datome on PF more than that we used to. And when Udoh was there even we had Antic we had to play with Kalina on 4 long periods.

Having Ahmet-Vesely-Lauvergne can play as C adding a new one without having any PF is not a wise choice for me.

 

[Mr_Sport2]

ahem, weren't Fener fans saying here that Koc spent 50m out of his pocket in a year? Why would a president pay that massive amount from his pocket? this automatically makes the owner/president separation shady. and the taxes,, ahem.. the taxes that state peridoically "forgives". our system is probably the most corrupt in Europe, just no one tries to reveal it.

Years are passing by and your Fener-Love is increasing year by year...

 

[vivo2]

I watch all Euroleague games and the value of larkin is in this gamestyle where almost every team makes man to man switch defense is another level. He is unstoppable in running at the rim. I dont deny de colo is a great scorer and also maybe a better shooter than larkin but larkin is overall still better.

See, we can have logical discussions. Saying it's an insult to Larkin to compare them doesn't make the slightest sense.

Larkin is stoppable. He was stopped time and time again over the years, unlike De Colo, who was consistently a 50/40/90 player with multiple championships. The fact that Larkin abused a depleted Fener team with terrible perimeter defense and no centers doesn't mean he's miles ahead (as your initial comment suggests) of proven players. I don't even mention Larkin is a liability in defense, whereas De Colo holds his own.

 

[ozzix2]

Why?? De Colo is euroleague MVP and F4 MVP at 2016, also this year he was the real man despite Clyburn named MVP. ( He was the star of Real Game. Real game was more desicive than Efes game, whoever wins would past Efes easiliy at final) . On the other hand Larkin had a good year at Baskonia but not superstar level. Also had very bad half year at Efes. He just open the monster mode last 3 months. His potential is very good and he could be comparable with De Colo but insult ??? Larkin is not Westbrook or Harden.

"whoever wins would past Efes easily" !!!
typical fener fan ego.. what an idiotic comment.

 

[Saybia2]

"whoever wins would past Efes easily" !!!
typical fener fan ego.. what an idiotic comment.

"typical fener fan ego" then i would say "typical Efes fan hate". But it wouldn't be true.

Just don't generalize everything when you disagree to a comment..

 

[Toruko2]

See, we can have logical discussions. Saying it's an insult to Larkin to compare them doesn't make the slightest sense.

Larkin is stoppable. He was stopped time and time again over the years, unlike De Colo, who was consistently a 50/40/90 player with multiple championships. The fact that Larkin abused a depleted Fener team with terrible perimeter defense and no centers doesn't mean he's miles ahead (as your initial comment suggests) of proven players. I don't even mention Larkin is a liability in defense, whereas De Colo holds his own.

You cant compare the Efes roster with the CSKA roster. CSKA has 3 times more budget and of course the better roster. Winning titles under these circumstances has nothing to say. Another point is de colo failed in nba and larkin is a good bench pg there at least he has the potential. The only point that I criticize is his inconsistency

 

[Roy M2]

Any rumours about Milano and Milos?

 

[Jazz2]

Any rumours about Milano and Milos?

Haven't really seen anything except some mention that Milano would struggle to afford him due to the other big earning players they have, although I think that was before Nunnally left.
I think he'd rather play for Sfairopoulos than Messina.

Also, don't know if you saw but Obina said that Zvezda made an offer to Teodosic and are supposed to have a meeting with him today.

 

[edvinas92]

Zach Leday is a free agent now.

 

[Roy M2]

Haven't really seen anything except some mention that Milano would struggle to afford him due to the other big earning players they have, although I think that was before Nunnally left.
I think he'd rather play for Sfairopoulos than Messina.

Also, don't know if you saw but Obina said that Zvezda made an offer to Teodosic and are supposed to have a meeting with him today.

Thnx, Jazz.
Any Chance to Zvezda to sign him??

 

[Obina2]

Really small chances. He is still worth 1+ million.

 

[Jazz2]

Thnx, Jazz.
Any Chance to Zvezda to sign him??

They must have some chance, he's a Zvezda fan and he'd get to move home and it was mentioned earlier in the thread that a few years ago he stated that he'd like to play there while still in or near the prime of his career.

He supposedly already rejected the offer from Virtus (wants to play in the Euroleague) and Olympiacos just inquired, they never made a firm offer.
We don't know yet about CSKA's intentions or if he might factor into the plans of Efes if Larkin does leave.

 

[Levenspiel2]

It was neither for basketball branch nor a "revenue"... It's basically a loan to be repaid back. Are you really suggesting there's not a huge difference between an owner and a president? By the way I agree Turkish tax system is a joke, especially indirect taxes against regular people and tax amnesties for big companies, but we digress.

P.S. Using ahem makes you sound like Umbridge from HP lol

I.m not saying there is no difference. Being the president of a club in Turkey (any club, even in the 2nd league) is not just sports-related. $50m loan is probably an investment. Yildirim liked to say how much he spent out of his pocket, too.

PS. HP realm is completely foreign to me, but now I know at least about one "hateable" character.

 

[Levenspiel2]

De Colo had been playing in Europe for the last 5 years. He just changed the team - it's basically nothing new here. Also he's 32 y.o. guard. He will decline inevitably.
Mirotic vice versa had been playing in NBA for the last 5 years and he did it well. He averaged from 10 pts to almost 17 pts in the season. Also he's only 28 y.o. and still could play well and a lot in NBA. This signing is much more extiting.

What made you believe that?
IMHO, Mirotic is an NBA caliber player in a very good age. It was a huge surprise for anyone that he returned to Europe so early.

No worries, I have eaten my words a lot about these predictions.

I think Mirotic signing is quite exciting, yes, esp him coming back improved from the NBA. Maybe because his most recent performance is still fresh in my mind (a disaster in the Raptors series), I don't see him as influential in Barca as De Colo in Fener. They badly needed a guy like him since Bogdan left. De Colo is also a smart player, sometimes annoyingly so. He should be quite effective.

 

[Levenspiel2]

Different positions, but yeah comparable.

Btw, which player is better according to you, Larkin or De Colo?

nah, I'm not falling for that game. One does not have to be better than the other. if you insist, the cop-out answer is Larkin is better for Efes, De Colo is better for Fener.

Why?? De Colo is euroleague MVP and F4 MVP at 2016, also this year he was the real man despite Clyburn named MVP. ( He was the star of Real Game. Real game was more desicive than Efes game, whoever wins would past Efes easiliy at final) . On the other hand Larkin had a good year at Baskonia but not superstar level. Also had very bad half year at Efes. He just open the monster mode last 3 months. His potential is very good and he could be comparable with De Colo but insult ??? Larkin is not Westbrook or Harden.

We know no one is good until they sign with Fener.
Larkin had an outstanding year with Baksonia too, that's why were disappointed in the beginning. Later, well, he was unstoppable in the right time. I even felt bad for Vesely at times.
it's of course not an insult to compare him to any elite guard in the EL.

 

[drskull2]

I.m not saying there is no difference. Being the president of a club in Turkey (any club, even in the 2nd league) is not just sports-related. $50m loan is probably an investment. Yildirim liked to say how much he spent out of his pocket, too.

PS. HP realm is completely foreign to me, but now I know at least about one "hateable" character.

dont want to start a oly vs pao kinda discussion here but, whole existence of Anadolu EFES is a result of a "get outta jail free" card. corruption works both ways sadly and tends to love the rich and powerful.