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Euroleague/Club Competition 2019-20: Signings & Rumours - Offseason

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Levenspiel said:
ahem, weren't Fener fans saying here that Koc spent 50m out of his pocket in a year? Why would a president pay that massive amount from his pocket? this automatically makes the owner/president separation shady. and the taxes,, ahem.. the taxes that state peridoically "forgives". our system is probably the most corrupt in Europe, just no one tries to reveal it.
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It was neither for basketball branch nor a "revenue"... It's basically a loan to be repaid back. Are you really suggesting there's not a huge difference between an owner and a president? By the way I agree Turkish tax system is a joke, especially indirect taxes against regular people and tax amnesties for big companies, but we digress.

P.S. Using ahem makes you sound like Umbridge from HP lol
 
Madrid made a proposal to De Colo, but a little below that of Fener, what made the real difference is the call of coach Obradovic. He knew how to be persuasive ...
Singleton is one of the new target for Fener
 
Levenspiel said:
De Colo is a huge transfer, by the way. More impressive than that of Mirotic, imho.

and a depressing news for many Efes fans: Tibor Pleiss stays for one more year.
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De Colo had been playing in Europe for the last 5 years. He just changed the team - it's basically nothing new here. Also he's 32 y.o. guard. He will decline inevitably.

Mirotic vice versa had been playing in NBA for the last 5 years and he did it well. He averaged from 10 pts to almost 17 pts in the season. Also he's only 28 y.o. and still could play well and a lot in NBA. This signing is much more extiting.
 
Levenspiel said:
De Colo is a huge transfer, by the way. More impressive than that of Mirotic, imho.
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What made you believe that?
IMHO, Mirotic is an NBA caliber player in a very good age. It was a huge surprise for anyone that he returned to Europe so early.
 
I am looking forward to the 1st RM-Barça game in the WiZink Center. Be prepared Mirotic...
 
Mirotic played very well in the NBA especially his playoff run with the Pelicans 2 years ago. He rebounded very well and shot the long ball extremely well. But he also benefited from playing with Anthony Davis and Giannis. That led to a lot of open looks that as a focal point of defenses in the Euroleague might not be there.
 
GreenFan said:
What made you believe that?
IMHO, Mirotic is an NBA caliber player in a very good age. It was a huge surprise for anyone that he returned to Europe so early.
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He is just a shooting Big nothing more and his impact on the game is fairly restricted even if he shoots 50%
 
Levenspiel said:
ahem, weren't Fener fans saying here that Koc spent 50m out of his pocket in a year? Why would a president pay that massive amount from his pocket? this automatically makes the owner/president separation shady. and the taxes,, ahem.. the taxes that state peridoically "forgives". our system is probably the most corrupt in Europe, just no one tries to reveal it.
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That 50m was just one-off not in a yearly basis.
 
I read from some sources that Fener wants Singleton. Very very bad move if its true. He was horrible in Barca in the first half especially
 
If you take into account his previous Euroleague experience in his early 20’s and project it forward to now in his prime I think he will still be dominant Euroleague player without question.
 
Yes, Singleton is overrated. But Zoc should know already, as well as Gherardini, if they want to buy him, then they know something we don't know. Still nothing happened, we will see.
 
Spittifiz said:
good for both sides.

sloukas, dixon
de colo, mahmutoğlu, korkmaz
kalinic, datome, arna
lauvergne, ?
vesely, ?, düverioğlu

hoping for one of the question marks to be udoh but let's see.
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1 on 1. still hoping for udoh return but let's see.
 
It's difficult to say about Singleton.

Some mediocre players had good numbers playing in OAKA ( for whatever reason ), like KC Rivers in the past and DeShawn Thomas now, and very good numbers had Singleton as well.
But away from there things were/are different.

On the other hand, Barca has not been a good environment for many players and coaches that underperformed the recent years ( like Bartzokas, Kevin Pangos and Singleton, to name a few )
 
Levenspiel said:
De Colo is a huge transfer, by the way. More impressive than that of Mirotic, imho.

and a depressing news for many Efes fans: Tibor Pleiss stays for one more year.
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Between Mirotic and De Colo I would pick De Colo in any possible aspect. He is game changer what we needed most of all
 
Nireus said:
It's difficult to say about Singleton.

Some mediocre players had good numbers playing in OAKA ( for whatever reason ), like KC Rivers in the past and DeShawn Thomas now, and very good numbers had Singleton as well.
But away from there things were/are different.

On the other hand, Barca has not been a good environment for many players and coaches that underperformed the recent years ( like Bartzokas, Kevin Pangos and Singleton, to name a few )
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Singleton is not a pure a PF nor Center. He is slow for a PF but oversized whilst he is undersized but quick for playing as a center. When he was in Pao he was playing in a role closer to the center with more mobile 4's such as Gist. For his shooting and dribbling skills this was a good environment for him. He didn't have to put up a big fight since he had the help from his teammates.

In Barca playing with centers like Tomic and Seraphin as a pure PF was awful for him. With the lack of movement on the offense he couldn't find open shots beyond the arc as he used to in Pana. And also in defense with the fact of Tomic and Seraphin's incapability Singleton's at least the average defensive performance in Pana days also got effected.

I think with Vesely he's a really good match as Vesely is fast for both 4 and 5 while lacking shooting and creativity but also is a very good fighter.

Thinking about the open shots Melli wasn't going for; Singleton would enjoy them a lot. And he can dribble to the paint if he finds space by finishing. Of course Melli's almost point forward coordination will be missed but Singleton's offensive performance would be better for us in overall imho.
Especially after De Colo. Sloukas-De Colo would pose too much problems against any other teams defense which would create more options to our spot up shooters like Datome. And Singleton might be added to this list if he joins.

The problem would be is Melli was a relly good defender and he could play with any player inside. He could play with Kalina if needed even though it wasn't the best scenario for us. So he could play easily with Lauvergne by not letting our defense down. However Singleton-Lauvergne duo are doubtful in defense. I think if this happens and no one else joins; Vesely will have to take longer times and we also might see Lauvergne-Kalinic duo quite often to rest him.
 
Toruko said:
Even asking is an insult for Larkin.
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Why?? De Colo is euroleague MVP and F4 MVP at 2016, also this year he was the real man despite Clyburn named MVP. ( He was the star of Real Game. Real game was more desicive than Efes game, whoever wins would past Efes easiliy at final) . On the other hand Larkin had a good year at Baskonia but not superstar level. Also had very bad half year at Efes. He just open the monster mode last 3 months. His potential is very good and he could be comparable with De Colo but insult ??? Larkin is not Westbrook or Harden.
 
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