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R1ou2
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Mitoglou's doping case was a big blow for the team.
Mitoglou's doping case was a big blow for the team.
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Toruko2
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Well, this is quite debatable. The reason why you put so many EL players against us was that the Greek A1 guys werent enough and you were going to lose both games against the Turkish BSL guys + Larkin so the below EL guys should be risky but you have been managing the problem very well so far.
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R1ou2
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Not really true, Turkey always had the service of their Fener and Efes benchwarmers aside of Larkin, unless we should be only playing with Lavrio and Promitheas players to make it fair
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Toruko2
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Not really true, Turkey always had the service of their Fener and Efes benchwarmers aside of Larkin, unless we should be only playing with Lavrio and Promitheas players to make it fair
Yeah thats why I said "BSL guys" since most of them dont take minutes in EL.
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janketa2
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My 1st touch with basketball was somewhere when Greece won 1st EB title. Galis, Giannakis, Fasoulas and Christodoulou are guys that basketball history should study.. The shortest lineup ever but those gays(supported by fans of course) showed that basketball is the most beautiful sport.
Maybe that's one of the reasons I like short rotations..
Maybe that's one of the reasons I like short rotations..
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paspalj2
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I don’t agree with this janketa.
Fasoulas was (is) 2.13. You can’t find many taller players even today. Yes, there was Vrankovic(?) and Divac(?) and maybe some Soviet guy?
Fanis (probably my second favorite player after Zarko) was (is) 2.03 and was kinda revolutionary for the SF position (at least before Kukoc bloomed). Giannakis was at (or above average) height as a PG in EB 1987. Galis might have been short (I’m bored to look it up now) but he was…well…Galis.
Fasoulas was (is) 2.13. You can’t find many taller players even today. Yes, there was Vrankovic(?) and Divac(?) and maybe some Soviet guy?
Fanis (probably my second favorite player after Zarko) was (is) 2.03 and was kinda revolutionary for the SF position (at least before Kukoc bloomed). Giannakis was at (or above average) height as a PG in EB 1987. Galis might have been short (I’m bored to look it up now) but he was…well…Galis.
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janketa2
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It's obvious misunderstanding in term short
Didn't mean height of the players but as I remember there was just 6 players who shared almost all minutes including overtimes.
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paspalj2
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It's obvious misunderstanding in term short
Ah, I see. Apologies!
Yeah I agree that for a short tournament like this, I don’t think that depth is the most important thing.
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Joško Poljak Fan2
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There are some unwritten rules to eurobasket.
Home teams rarely do much. When they are expected to be the big favourites, they either fail like Serbia in 05, dissapoint like Slovenia in 13 or as a big favourites to win it all, remember JR Holden in 07. Spain being second in 07 is the closest a hosting country got to a gold, which for that particular team was an enormous dissapointment at that time.
However there is one interesting objection to the rule. The last host that won it all, was Germany in 93.
The second rule would in my opinion be that the favourites tend to underperform quite often. In 17 Spain was humiliated in semis, France completely underperformed, no matter the absences. Complete Italy. Turkey also underperformed lately, personaly I expected more from some Greek or Croatian teams either.
Than there are the relative surprises. Slovenia in 17, France in 13, Russia in 07, I'd dare saying Greece and Lithuania in 05 in 03 as well. Serbia in 09. Surely looking back those victories seem like well deserved and obvious, but a lot of players made their names on those exact tournaments and their performances weren't exactly to be taken for granted before the tournament.
Back to back victories seemed incredible for Spain. And if it wasn't for France, they could pull out 4 in a row. Without that shot by JR Holden it could easily be 5 in a row. That's an incredible streak! But that generation also made us forgot a bit about the unpredictability of these tournaments that we have witnessed in the past, with 5-6 NT's being among the narrowest medal contenders, and another 5 NT's easily having a shot at a medal or even the gold, if the stars aligned for them.
In that regard, I wouldn't bet on Slovenia being a clear cut sure thing, no matter Dončič and Dragič, better teams managed to underperform at eurobaskets result wise.
I am a bit sceptic by Micic running the point for Serbia, as well as game running through Jokič, basicaly whole Pešič's "supposed" game plan. Could be wrong.
France is loaded, but without that extra firepower on perimeter needed for a win imo, sorry Fournier.
Than there is Greece with the Antetokoumpo questionmark...
Those 4 are imo the supposed gold medal contenders, inevitably at least one team from above will dissapoint/heavily dissapoint
However from the past experience, at least one of the following if not two teams from the group below, will play on pair with the teams above
Italy. Who cares about rim protection, I like their guards even if they dont seem out of the ordinary, they're able to get their teams above what many other "inside heavy" national teams can deliver
Turkey. With Larkin, that's a potentialy really nice first lineup. They'll be hungry, with some chemistry...
Lithuania. It's Lithuania. Whenever I sleep on them, they make some great results.
Latvia, surely beatable, but make sure you're able to outscore them and they're the team I could easily see eliminating just about any team on the tournament on a good day.
I am not particular Schroeder believer and think Germany would be better of with Lo, that's why I haven't put them in the group above.
It remains to be seen how Croatia will look like with that naturalised PG, since that's theoreticaly the only thing that has been missing to otherwise quite impressive roster, they could easily joing either of the groups above, with some chemistry.
Than there is the supposed underdog group... like Czech republic in 15 (could be a bit unfair to place them there? Afterall they deservingly played at the olympics), Ukraine in 13 or North Macedonia or Finland in 11
I know Finns will have a lot of simpathies as well as fans, Belgium is generaly underestimated imo, while Georgia could get a nice push from playing the group phase at home.
It's been 5 years. In the past we'd have 2 tournaments inbetween to make some judgements, now it's really a big questionmark on what will happen imo.
Home teams rarely do much. When they are expected to be the big favourites, they either fail like Serbia in 05, dissapoint like Slovenia in 13 or as a big favourites to win it all, remember JR Holden in 07. Spain being second in 07 is the closest a hosting country got to a gold, which for that particular team was an enormous dissapointment at that time.
However there is one interesting objection to the rule. The last host that won it all, was Germany in 93.
The second rule would in my opinion be that the favourites tend to underperform quite often. In 17 Spain was humiliated in semis, France completely underperformed, no matter the absences. Complete Italy. Turkey also underperformed lately, personaly I expected more from some Greek or Croatian teams either.
Than there are the relative surprises. Slovenia in 17, France in 13, Russia in 07, I'd dare saying Greece and Lithuania in 05 in 03 as well. Serbia in 09. Surely looking back those victories seem like well deserved and obvious, but a lot of players made their names on those exact tournaments and their performances weren't exactly to be taken for granted before the tournament.
Back to back victories seemed incredible for Spain. And if it wasn't for France, they could pull out 4 in a row. Without that shot by JR Holden it could easily be 5 in a row. That's an incredible streak! But that generation also made us forgot a bit about the unpredictability of these tournaments that we have witnessed in the past, with 5-6 NT's being among the narrowest medal contenders, and another 5 NT's easily having a shot at a medal or even the gold, if the stars aligned for them.
In that regard, I wouldn't bet on Slovenia being a clear cut sure thing, no matter Dončič and Dragič, better teams managed to underperform at eurobaskets result wise.
I am a bit sceptic by Micic running the point for Serbia, as well as game running through Jokič, basicaly whole Pešič's "supposed" game plan. Could be wrong.
France is loaded, but without that extra firepower on perimeter needed for a win imo, sorry Fournier.
Than there is Greece with the Antetokoumpo questionmark...
Those 4 are imo the supposed gold medal contenders, inevitably at least one team from above will dissapoint/heavily dissapoint
However from the past experience, at least one of the following if not two teams from the group below, will play on pair with the teams above
Italy. Who cares about rim protection, I like their guards even if they dont seem out of the ordinary, they're able to get their teams above what many other "inside heavy" national teams can deliver
Turkey. With Larkin, that's a potentialy really nice first lineup. They'll be hungry, with some chemistry...
Lithuania. It's Lithuania. Whenever I sleep on them, they make some great results.
Latvia, surely beatable, but make sure you're able to outscore them and they're the team I could easily see eliminating just about any team on the tournament on a good day.
I am not particular Schroeder believer and think Germany would be better of with Lo, that's why I haven't put them in the group above.
It remains to be seen how Croatia will look like with that naturalised PG, since that's theoreticaly the only thing that has been missing to otherwise quite impressive roster, they could easily joing either of the groups above, with some chemistry.
Than there is the supposed underdog group... like Czech republic in 15 (could be a bit unfair to place them there? Afterall they deservingly played at the olympics), Ukraine in 13 or North Macedonia or Finland in 11
I know Finns will have a lot of simpathies as well as fans, Belgium is generaly underestimated imo, while Georgia could get a nice push from playing the group phase at home.
It's been 5 years. In the past we'd have 2 tournaments inbetween to make some judgements, now it's really a big questionmark on what will happen imo.
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Furkan Korkmaz2
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Actually Latvia won’t be present cause they failed qualifying, their second tournament in a row.
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paspalj2
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I have always believed that although Diamantidis had everything to become who he eventually became, that 3pt shot in the semi-final against France gave him incredible confidence in crunch time in his future career.
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janketa2
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I wrote yesterday that I am fan of short rotations in this kind of tournaments.
So regarding Turkey, if we can survive with Larkin(Hazer)-Bitim(Korkmaz)-Cedi-Osmani(Kabaca)-Sanli(Sengun) we are good
Larkin, Bitim, Cedi, Sanli, Sengun 30+ minutes, that should be core
If Ataman try to experiment with players like Melih and Tuncer, I already see +/- under frozen zero and without result. Our best roster ever was 2001, it was short but with killer players inside. Any other team except Serbia(Yugoslavia) would have been beaten in that final.
Erdenay-Kutluay-Turkoglu-Turkcan-Okur. Plus 2 or 3 players, very short.. Just to remind on those players who wrote history(for us)
So regarding Turkey, if we can survive with Larkin(Hazer)-Bitim(Korkmaz)-Cedi-Osmani(Kabaca)-Sanli(Sengun) we are good
Larkin, Bitim, Cedi, Sanli, Sengun 30+ minutes, that should be core
If Ataman try to experiment with players like Melih and Tuncer, I already see +/- under frozen zero and without result. Our best roster ever was 2001, it was short but with killer players inside. Any other team except Serbia(Yugoslavia) would have been beaten in that final.
Erdenay-Kutluay-Turkoglu-Turkcan-Okur. Plus 2 or 3 players, very short.. Just to remind on those players who wrote history(for us)
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Killer Bob2
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Luka still can't train with teammates, so it's very doubtful that he plays against Turkey.
Edit: Good chances that he plays.
Edit: Good chances that he plays.
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Killer Bob2
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That was a quick turnaround.
It's obvious that he's very eager to play.
https://twitter.com/kzs_si/status/1...https://ekipa.svet24.si/api/dynamic?id=987069
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Straight forward2
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It will be interesting what will be Covid policy of Eurobasket. If you're positive, you're out? The positive cases are increasing, hope Covid won't affect the tournament at all.
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TurkfromGermany2
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Turkish fans overrating Larkin way too much, he is too wild in many games with bad decisions. This is Eurobasket, much higher level as Euroleague. Even the 2020 Larkin is not the best player, every team has enough quality in the G-rotation, except Turkey. A player like Sloukas would be better fit for this turkish NT. This NT is by far the best what we have since a decade. Turkey is a candidate for QF but not a favourite. To have a permanent strong team you need EL, without EL you will not have a serious team for a long time and no success. Help for Furkan, Cedi, Alperen from the turkish 95-97 generations will probably not come, Metecan(95) has no talent(and no perimeter player), Okben(96) doesn´t want ball, Berk Ugurlu(PG, 96) is too limited, Tolga Gecim(96) has no defence and has too big physical
problems and Egehan Arna(97) will not see much minutes next season......At this stage Sehmus Hazer(99) and Onuralp Bitim(99) are the biggest candidates for a role in the EL. The biggest PG-prospects are Ömercan Ilyasoglu(01) and the injured Mert Akay(00), a EL-role is just a dream for both at this stage. For long success we need players in EL, this is the key.
Yesterday Alperen Sengün showed in the last minutes why he is so special for turkish bb. He was involved in all clutch moments. No one in turkish team has his IQ, passision and charisma.
1. Slovenia
2. France
3. Serbia
problems and Egehan Arna(97) will not see much minutes next season......At this stage Sehmus Hazer(99) and Onuralp Bitim(99) are the biggest candidates for a role in the EL. The biggest PG-prospects are Ömercan Ilyasoglu(01) and the injured Mert Akay(00), a EL-role is just a dream for both at this stage. For long success we need players in EL, this is the key.
Yesterday Alperen Sengün showed in the last minutes why he is so special for turkish bb. He was involved in all clutch moments. No one in turkish team has his IQ, passision and charisma.
1. Slovenia
2. France
3. Serbia
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Toruko2
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No NT tournament could be higher level than Euroleague. This is nonsense.
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TurkfromGermany2
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Look at the best players of the teams, all are from NBA. How many good games had Larkin for Turkey? exactly 1 good game....
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Toruko2
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This is not what I criticized. A competition with 3 weeks prep time and 2 weeks of tournament action cant be higher level than EL with a season long action.
On the other hand. How much time did Larkin spend with the strongest version of the Turkish NT? 0 minutes. Larkin in a good shape is a weapon that everyone wants. He showed always the right approach and gave his 100%. Even if he scores 0 points in the entire tournament he is still very valuable when he just plays his D and doesnt make unnecessary TOs. Just his presence is more than enough to give open looks for the other guys.
He may not be a floor general like Calathes or Micic but he is still more than what we actually need. Premised he is in good shape when the tournament starts.