Eurobasket 2017

[slice me nice2]

If Turkey decide to apply for hosting, I don't think none of those candidates have even 1% chance. Turkish federation is the only one who is working with professional organization companies. So there can't be a trouble about organization recently we had seen in 2014 U-18 EC in Konya. Authorities complimented the organization and said that EC was one of the best organized championship of recent years. Even there are some countries who can't perform the same in Eurobasket organizations.

 

[CoachZ2]

If Turkey decide to apply for hosting, I don't think none of those candidates have even 1% chance. Turkish federation is the only one who is working with professional organization companies. So there can't be a trouble about organization recently we had seen in 2014 U-18 EC in Konya. Authorities complimented the organization and said that EC was one of the best organized championship of recent years. Even there are some countries who can't perform the same in Eurobasket organizations.

The issue is not whether they can do a good job, but what is the best solution for Basketball. With that logic, it should be every year in Spain and that's it. It's more about including other regions, reaching fans etc. Unfortunately with the championships being in Turkey there won't be a diverse crowd, or at least not in that numbers as some other parts of mainland Europe.

 

[slice me nice2]

The issue is not whether they can do a good job, but what is the best solution for Basketball. With that logic, it should be every year in Spain and that's it. It's more about including other regions, reaching fans etc. Unfortunately with the championships being in Turkey there won't be a diverse crowd, or at least not in that numbers as some other parts of mainland Europe.

We see the diverse crowd in Berlin. If there wouldn't be expat Turks and Serbs, all games except the German ones would have been played in front of empty seats. It is not about geography. It is about promotion, advertisement and sponsorship deals. In 2010, just Coca Cola comp. brought more than 3000 fans to Turkey to İzmir. When you jump ship to professionals, you can create better tournament atmosphere. To be honest, I don't care reaching other fans. Eurobasket 2003 was the biggest fiasco and no need to mention F4 in London. It is time to face the reality. Without promotion, you can't reach the fans even in Belgrade.

 

[CoachZ2]

We see the diverse crowd in Berlin. If there wouldn't be expat Turks and Serbs, all games except the German ones would have been played in front of empty seats. It is not about geography. It is about promotion, advertisement and sponsorship deals. In 2010, just Coca Cola comp. brought more than 3000 fans to Turkey to İzmir. When you jump ship to professionals, you can create better tournament atmosphere. To be honest, I don't care reaching other fans. Eurobasket 2003 was the biggest fiasco and no need to mention F4 in London. It is time to face the reality. Without promotion, you can't reach the fans even in Belgrade.

I was in Turkey in 2010 (let's not talk about that "competition", I think you know why ) and in terms of fans, unfortunately there was VERY LITTLE diversity. Don't get me wrong, organization was excellent, the halls were pretty full and crowd was passionate sometimes. The issue was that with the location of Turkey, the fandom of traditional European power houses was just not there. It has little to do with promotion, it's just a nature of the fact. Regarding Berlin, the halls would be full whenever Germany played, it's another issue that Turks and Serbs would kill for tickets and they filled the hall. It means so much more to them than actually it does Germans. Still Germans would've filed it themselves as well, they have good crowds in club basketball EL/Eurocup. Also the fact that there is a strong diaspora for many nations in Germany and their passion for BB, it is actually a positive for picking Berlin. It makes that much more sense.

Regarding Belgrade, the hosting would be easy because it would be filled with neighbors without problems. Few hours driving you get Croats, Slovenes, Bosnians, Macedonians, Montenegro, Greece and of course a huge domestic crowd which loves basketball and will go to watch Belgium-Georgia as well.

 

[slice me nice2]

I was in Turkey in 2010 (let's not talk about that "competition", I think you know why ) and in terms of fans, unfortunately there was VERY LITTLE diversity. Don't get me wrong, organization was excellent, the halls were pretty full and crowd was passionate sometimes. The issue was that with the location of Turkey, the fandom of traditional European power houses was just not there. It has little to do with promotion, it's just a nature of the fact. Regarding Berlin, the halls would be full whenever Germany played, it's another issue that Turks and Serbs would kill for tickets and they filled the hall. It means so much more to them than actually it does Germans. Still Germans would've filed it themselves as well, they have good crowds in club basketball EL/Eurocup. Also the fact that there is a strong diaspora for many nations in Germany and their passion for BB, it is actually a positive for picking Berlin. It makes that much more sense.

Regarding Belgrade, the hosting would be easy because it would be filled with neighbors without problems. Few hours driving you get Croats, Slovenes, Bosnians, Macedonians, Montenegro, Greece and of course a huge domestic crowd which loves basketball and will go to watch Belgium-Georgia as well.

Actually, I am disappointed what I have seen in Berlin. Germans do like sport and attend every sport organization but this time they failed the class. Just remember, Turkey-Serbia game, there was only Turks and Serbs in the hall and even the number of expats were not enough for that passionate game. Berlin is a good choice, I don't deny it but something is wrong with promotion. About 2010, there were many Liths and especially Serbs and strangely, Spaniards in Istanbul. Everybody was happy with that organization, at least accommodation and other stuffs were great. So I can't say that diversity was little bit. Maybe it can't be so diverse like it may be in Belgrade but still if I would choose a host, Istanbul would be my first choice. (It is close to Balkans so geography issue can't be that valid for Balkan guys)

I don't want to compare the way of viewings to basketball. In Turkey, nobody cares basketball that much unlike Serbia and few Balkan countries so we need promotion to catch the attention of people but also my point was the importance of creating attention. With all credits to Serbia's basketball love, even in Serbia, if you don't promote the tournament well, there won't be that attendance you imagine. It is simple. You need to excite people about the tournament. Unfortunately, this is the case of FIBA also. FIFA is doing this great when FIBA doesn't help the hosts for this promotion things.

 

[judasmartel2]

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At the risk of talking about things I don't know jack about, maybe because the Germans knew they would suck at EuroBasket this year anyway, even with Dirk and Schroder in the lineup?

Just curious.

 

[MZT Skopje2]

32 teams way to much. Not even football has it who is the most developed sport in the world. To me even 24 teams is to much.

Victorious. Dude, are you kidding me ? Fiba have no politics that most be multi bid, so they can not put one together just like thats. 2015 wos an exception cuz of the situation in Ukraina. As exempel Belgium, Israel, Poland made a 1 nation bid, all or nothing. SRB-MKD-BUL are together in this, they will win it together or lose it together. We started to plan this allready in 2012, long before 2015 EC so we wos supposed to become the first multi host EC in history.

As to Turkey, would be very untastefull if the gott it allready 2015 since new fiba presedent arrived not long ago, he know this. Might go for EC 2019. Not 2017.

 

[slice me nice2]

At the risk of talking about things I don't know jack about, maybe because the Germans knew they would suck at EuroBasket this year anyway, even with Dirk and Schroder in the lineup?

Just curious.

Germans watch the sport for enjoying it, not for seeing how powerful they are. So doesn't make sense.

 

[CoachZ2]

Actually, I am disappointed what I have seen in Berlin. Germans do like sport and attend every sport organization but this time they failed the class. Just remember, Turkey-Serbia game, there was only Turks and Serbs in the hall and even the number of expats were not enough for that passionate game. Berlin is a good choice, I don't deny it but something is wrong with promotion. About 2010, there were many Liths and especially Serbs and strangely, Spaniards in Istanbul. Everybody was happy with that organization, at least accommodation and other stuffs were great. So I can't say that diversity was little bit. Maybe it can't be so diverse like it may be in Belgrade but still if I would choose a host, Istanbul would be my first choice. (It is close to Balkans so geography issue can't be that valid for Balkan guys)

I don't want to compare the way of viewings to basketball. In Turkey, nobody cares basketball that much unlike Serbia and few Balkan countries so we need promotion to catch the attention of people but also my point was the importance of creating attention. With all credits to Serbia's basketball love, even in Serbia, if you don't promote the tournament well, there won't be that attendance you imagine. It is simple. You need to excite people about the tournament. Unfortunately, this is the case of FIBA also. FIFA is doing this great when FIBA doesn't help the hosts for this promotion things.

Serbian's were there like me because they planned their holidays around the WC2010 Seaside and WC

I wouldn't take FIFA as a good example of anything. An endlessly corrupt organization with money grubbing hands. Just take a look at Brazil and what has happened after the WC. It's a bad idea. In general, promoting basketball is much more difficult to do, but that is to be expected. In my opinion getting countries to be more competitive is a much better promotional tool, compared to full stands in the competition. It always worked that way. Noone watched tennis in Serbia until Djokovic, Ivanovic, Jankovic broke through. The sport picked up because of them, not Serbia hosting a big tennis tournament. The idea will always be to have competitive teams and get some results for undeveloped nations in bball and the sport will be more popular.

You can't sell people a crappy product in a long run, no matter how good of a promotion you are doing. Would Romania start following basketball just by hosting and doing a great promotion of EB there? Not likely, until NT and clubs start picking up some steam.

 

[MZT Skopje2]

Turkey you should be carefull with all new arenas. Greece hosted Olympics, look how there economy ended up. Fact is our region aint Germany or Scandinavia and we can not waste on to much bull shit.

 

[judasmartel2]

Germans watch the sport for enjoying it, not for seeing how powerful they are. So doesn't make sense.

I see. Thanks for the enlightenment.

I like how passionate the Germans are in cheering for their teams. Win or lose, whether they suck or not, they're still behind them. And it really showed in their last game against Spain.

 

[judasmartel2]

Turkey you should be carefull with all new arenas. Greece hosted Olympics, look how there economy ended up. Fact is our region aint Germany or Scandinavia and we can not waste on to much bull shit.

Wait, what? So a European nation hosting the Olympics will easily drain their resources out? Man, that's sick.

 

[slice me nice2]

Serbian's were there like me because they planned their holidays around the WC2010 Seaside and WC

I wouldn't take FIFA as a good example of anything. An endlessly corrupt organization with money grubbing hands. Just take a look at Brazil and what has happened after the WC. It's a bad idea. In general, promoting basketball is much more difficult to do, but that is to be expected. In my opinion getting countries to be more competitive is a much better promotional tool, compared to full stands in the competition. It always worked that way. Noone watched tennis in Serbia until Djokovic, Ivanovic, Jankovic broke through. The sport picked up because of them, not Serbia hosting a big tennis tournament. The idea will always be to have competitive teams and get some results for undeveloped nations in bball and the sport will be more popular.

You can't sell people a crappy product in a long run, no matter how good of a promotion you are doing. Would Romania start following basketball just by hosting and doing a great promotion of EB there? Not likely, until NT and clubs start picking up some steam.

Serbia played its group stage in Kayseri where there is no seaside then they came to Istanbul in knock-out stages. So if you enjoyed the sea of Istanbul, better make a check-up now my friend I hope you went some touristic places for sea, sun and sand for doing a good vacation like Antalya

I will give example of Turkey. Before 2001 EC, the basketball was covering incredible less attention in media but after a great promotion (even one of my university professor wrote an article about this) people started to care basketball. Still, we lack lots of things about basketball but at least it is safe to say that people think basketball is not a boring game and they can watch it as an activity. Before 2001, basketball was in terrible situation here. Club teams were doing well but the public had no idea what basketball ball looks like. I do believe in the power of promotion. As you have said, the success of club teams and NT are important but before everything, you should familiarize the basketball to those people who have no clue about. It is a long term plan so hosting and promotion are great steps to start. Hosting without professionalism doesn't make sense. Like England.

 

[CoachZ2]

Serbia played its group stage in Kayseri where there is no seaside then they came to Istanbul in knock-out stages. So if you enjoyed the sea of Istanbul, better make a check-up now my friend I hope you went some touristic places for sea, sun and sand for doing a good vacation like Antalya

I will give example of Turkey. Before 2001 EC, the basketball was covering incredible less attention in media but after a great promotion (even one of my university professor wrote an article about this) people started to care basketball. Still, we lack lots of things about basketball but at least it is safe to say that people think basketball is not a boring game and they can watch it as an activity. Before 2001, basketball was in terrible situation here. Club teams were doing well but the public had no idea what basketball ball looks like. I do believe in the power of promotion. As you have said, the success of club teams and NT are important but before everything, you should familiarize the basketball to those people who have no clue about. It is a long term plan so hosting and promotion are great steps to start. Hosting without professionalism doesn't make sense. Like England.

I didn't attend the group stage games No offense but Kayseri was a huge turnoff for me

I can't take 20+ days vacations to watch the whole tournament from the start in person. So only the knockout phase in Istanbul

 

[MZT Skopje2]

The question is whether it's has been renovated for the better or worse. When I was studying in USA and later when I lived in Greece I had a girlfriend from Skopje (Karpus All The Way ) for 3 years and I used to spend a lot of time there during the early 2000s. I miss that Skopje so much, this now looks like a fucking tourist souvenir sold on the streets of Pefkohori It's awful...

Kidding aside, I like improvements to the infrastructure just that aesthetics and clowning with downtown is awful.

I have some Serbian contacts too, my wife is from Nis. Niska banja topla voda https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E1khd55VnQ

I know what you think about and i can only agree. I am a communist so its my nature to be against the shit in the center of Skopje. Thats said, they still did a great jobb n the rest of the city a part from (Cair where skipis live and shuteka gypsyws) but in the rest municipalities (6 of them) looks like modern europe today. But hey you have contrast in Rio and New York too. Favela and Harlem.

here is municipalities Karpos today:

http://www.build.mk/docs/users/1/In...Kruzni tekovi/Kruzen tek Porta Vlae 0201e.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Le4kraF.jpg1
http://s15.postimg.org/rxdyctj7v/11221687_917097898336423_8356582330669973992_o.jpg
http://www.build.mk/docs/users/1/In...rakaj/Ul Zeleznicka/Ulica Zeleznicka 0403.jpg

I gues did not look like this when you wos there. nice green parks everywhere.

and opstina aerodrom and kisela voda looks even better than karpos today.

opur new trains arrived from china last night. https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.ne...=9ce474f5dc98045ffe8e15c05b976616&oe=56303911 , https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.ne...=1af9ea9c874d9b4411585d0571a02354&oe=562294FE

Ye we are ready for EC.

 

[CoachZ2]

I have some Serbian contacts too, my wife is from Nis. Niska banja topla voda https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E1khd55VnQ

I know what you think about and i can only agree. I am a communist so its my nature to be against the shit in the center of Skopje. Thats said, they still did a great jobb n the rest of the city a part from (Cair where kipis live and shuteka gypsyws) but in the rest municipalities (6 of them) looks like modern europe today. But hey you have contrast in Rio and New York too. Favela and Harlem.

here is municipalities Karpos today:

http://www.build.mk/docs/users/1/In...Kruzni tekovi/Kruzen tek Porta Vlae 0201e.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Le4kraF.jpg1
http://s15.postimg.org/rxdyctj7v/11221687_917097898336423_8356582330669973992_o.jpg
http://www.build.mk/docs/users/1/In...rakaj/Ul Zeleznicka/Ulica Zeleznicka 0403.jpg

I gues did not look like this when you wos there. nice green parks everywhere.

and opstina aerodrom and kisela voda looks even better than karpos today.

opur new trains arrived from china last night. https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.ne...=9ce474f5dc98045ffe8e15c05b976616&oe=56303911 , https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.ne...=1af9ea9c874d9b4411585d0571a02354&oe=562294FE

Ye we are ready for EC.

I go at least few times a year to meet up with some friends, so I have seen everything I do avoid Karpus though when I can Some things are better left alone, if you know what I mean

 

[MZT Skopje2]

haha i understand, true true lol.

Peronaly I aviod Skopje as much as I can. Large city poeple attitude you know I just hate it. I keep to citys as Bitola (My home), Prilep, Ohrid, Nis. Spend a lot of timr in Nis of course. She have relatives i Belgrade so she force me to visit that large city.

But OK, hehe, lets go back to topic.

WE will win this bid BG-SK https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev3q2xLn_PU&hd=1

 

[Joško Poljak Fan2]

Head of Slovenian bball federation Erjavec said the decision about eurobasket 2017 hosts will be taken in december, mostlikely they will once again go with the 4 nations co-hosting it as it turned out to be a great decision attendance wise for them.

 

[Victorious2]

I was in Turkey in 2010 (let's not talk about that "competition", I think you know why ) and in terms of fans, unfortunately there was VERY LITTLE diversity. Don't get me wrong, organization was excellent, the halls were pretty full and crowd was passionate sometimes. The issue was that with the location of Turkey, the fandom of traditional European power houses was just not there. It has little to do with promotion, it's just a nature of the fact. Regarding Berlin, the halls would be full whenever Germany played, it's another issue that Turks and Serbs would kill for tickets and they filled the hall. It means so much more to them than actually it does Germans. Still Germans would've filed it themselves as well, they have good crowds in club basketball EL/Eurocup. Also the fact that there is a strong diaspora for many nations in Germany and their passion for BB, it is actually a positive for picking Berlin. It makes that much more sense.

Regarding Belgrade, the hosting would be easy because it would be filled with neighbors without problems. Few hours driving you get Croats, Slovenes, Bosnians, Macedonians, Montenegro, Greece and of course a huge domestic crowd which loves basketball and will go to watch Belgium-Georgia as well.

The truth is that Belgrade doesn't attract diverse crowds either. I think that the central Balkan region for some reason is not very appealing to outsiders. Only some people from ex-Yugoslav countries will come. Especially Slovenes. So you can allow one Balkan country to host the event and make it a Balkan competition like in Zagreb, but this beats the purpose of Eurobasket.

So Ser-Bul-Fyrom is a bad trio. Especially the idea of Bulgaria as a host seems horrible to me.

If I were FIBA I would focus on either the low countries or Finland as co-hosts and then pick a few other countries with more basketball tradition. I would also leave Turkey and Spain out for now as they have hosted recent events. Don't even try GB.

 

[CoachZ2]

The truth is that Belgrade doesn't attract diverse crowds either. I think that the central Balkan region for some reason is not very appealing to outsiders. Only some people from ex-Yugoslav countries will come. Especially Slovenes. So you can allow one Balkan country to host the event and make it a Balkan competition like in Zagreb, but this beats the purpose of Eurobasket.

So Ser-Bul-Fyrom is a bad trio. Especially the idea of Bulgaria as a host seems horrible to me.

If I were FIBA I would focus on either the low countries or Finland as co-hosts and then pick a few other countries with more basketball tradition. I would also leave Turkey and Spain out for now as they have hosted recent events. Don't even try GB.

That is clearly not a true statement. Everything organized in Serbia in last 5 years was well visited from all over Europe, I am talking about events with international appeal and character (sport championships, music festivals like Exit etc.). The position is great since there are so many neighbors close and it's also close to first western and eastern countries.

Also if we talk about getting good fandom and support for basketball, there is hardly a better region. Surrounded by nations with high passion for the game. I agree it is not the best location for promotion and development of the game in smaller nations. But it always has to be a mix, one event in new place then one in a tradiotional center.