Eurobasket 2017 - General Discussion

[slice me nice2]

Our 95 generation:

Winner: 2013 U18, 2014 U20
3rd: 2015 U20

96-97 generation:

Winner: 2012 U16, 2014 U18,
2nd: 2015 U18,
3rd: 2016 U20

Kenan Sipahi, Furkan Korkmaz and Cedi Osman are already stars of our national team.
Kartal Özmızrak, Berk Uğurlu, Tolga Geçim, Okben Ulubay, Egehan Arna, Ege Arar, Emircan Koşut, Ömer Faruk Yurtseven will be ready in 1-2 years.

Kartal - Kenan - Berk
Furkan - Tolga
Cedi - Okben - Egehan
Ege
Ömer - Emircan

We have a great future...

You come from way too behind. We had been discussing this kind of projection in 2013-2014 The things are not going as expected, some names you have written above couldn't have managed to transform their potential into senior level and they are out of radar for now. But still, if you want to mount this kind of argument with full of holes, better form a team with the new prospects we have produced to sound more accurate.

 

[Black.Mamba2]

You come from way too behind. We had been discussing this kind of projection in 2013-2014 The things are not going as expected, some names you have written above couldn't have managed to transform their potential into senior level and they are out of radar for now. But still, if you want to mount this kind of argument with full of holes, better form a team with the new prospects we have produced to sound more accurate.

I don't agree with you...
Let's have a look at some names that you think couldn't manage to tranform their potential...

First of them is Berk, right?
He was a member of the Euroleague champion and the best team of Europe man. How many 96 born players in Europe could do better than Berk in this team? Not more than 2-3 I think...

Kartal Özmızrak was my favourite guy among our young point guards. He was having a great season and I was expecting him to be starting PG this summer but had torn ACL injury. I still have hopes for him...

Okben Ulubay was great at Giresun, show that he is good to be a member of NT this summer. But then made a idiotic choice with going to Daçka. However we know that he can be 2nd option for a TBL team...

Ege Arar is a member of a Euroleague team. He will be a decent PF imo but he is unlucky as French Kunter became gs head coach who didn't give chance to Kartal at bjk...

Emircan Koşut did well in Giresun, we will see if he can get chance at Daçka next year. If he can, he will be our center next year..

Egehan Arna is a member of the European Champion, next year Obradovic is planning to give him more minutes according to rumors. We have every reason to be optimistic about him.

Ömer Faruk will be our dominant center for long years as it is clear...

So nothing wrong with our 95-96-97 generations...
If you expected 6-7 NBA players from these guys, it is not so realistic expectation. But we can have 3-4 NBA'ers and 3-4 Euroleague players. That's quite good...
This team around Furkan, Cedi, Ömer Faruk has potential to win a Eurobasket in the future...


Edit: We shouldn't forget one thing when we elobrate their development. These guys don't play in ABA or LKL. They are members of the best teams in Europe and play in the best league of Europe. Although some of them can't shine in top teams, almost all of them can shine in any BSL team which is better than %90 of the ABA and LKL teams...

Edit 2: TBF must create 2 teams for the young players in BSL and B1L as soon as possible. All of our U21 players should play there...

 

[R1ou2]

Don't know where to laugh here haha Maybe where you're claiming that Ugurlu who played 30 minutes in total all year long in EL and Arna who recorded 1(one) apperance in all season helped Fener, or where you're claiming that these guys play for the best teams in Europe. In fact they don't even play, they're just there for the needs of the domestic league as we can see by the minutes they get in serious competition in Europe. Is this some kind of trolling ?

Let alone that certainty that Osman, Korkmaz and Yurtseven will lead Turkey to glory and a gold in Eurobasket..

 

[ThePeraCar2]

Edit: We shouldn't forget one thing when we elobrate their development. These guys don't play in ABA or LKL. They are members of the best teams in Europe and play in the best league of Europe. Although some of them can't shine in top teams, almost all of them can shine in any BSL team which is better than %90 of the ABA and LKL teams...

Edit 2: TBF must create 2 teams for the young players in BSL and B1L as soon as possible. All of our U21 players should play there...

lol mate there are currently 20 or so players from ABA league that are playing in NBA, and how many come from "best league of europe"? xD

 

[vivo2]

It's almost all whens and ifs now. When I consider which players from this squad can get a solid role in a contender European NT, I am only sure about Cedi and maybe Semih if he can play like this. All our players/prospects have question marks around them.

Kenan - Still not a reliable 3pt shot, mediocre decision making and ball handling. We'll see what more he can develop with Sarıca this year.
Uğurlu - I don't see him making any meaningful contributions to national team... Like, ever?
Furkan - He needs to add muscle and solidify his 3pt shot. He has to carve himself a role in Philly or it will be hard for him to develop in D league.
Cedi - I don't see him getting many minutes in Cleveland, but at least physically he will get better in NBA.
Egehan - The fact that he is not cut by Obradovic is promising, but he is slow so he also has to add muscle, develop his handling. Then he might possibly be a full-time point SF and give us what Ginobili gives to San Antonio(in a much smaller scale). I hear he has great work ethic so I'm hopeful.
Baygül - He had a good season, he should have been in roster imho.
Ulubay - He is so stupid to go to Daçka mid-season, after his great stint with Giresun. Thus my lack of hope about his brain, work ethic etc.
Yurtseven - I didn't follow him this year so he is a mystery to me. I don't see him contributing right away though.
Kanter - LOL

 

[R1ou2]

lol mate there are currently 20 or so players from ABA league that are playing in NBA, and how many come from "best league of europe"? xD

Well ACB as a league has a decent amount of prospects coming up every year, both Spaniards and foreign players

 

[CoachZ2]

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[c-myers2]

Don't know where to laugh here haha Maybe where you're claiming that Ugurlu who played 30 minutes in total all year long in EL and Arna who recorded 1(one) apperance in all season helped Fener, or where you're claiming that these guys play for the best teams in Europe. In fact they don't even play, they're just there for the needs of the domestic league as we can see by the minutes they get in serious competition in Europe. Is this some kind of trolling ?

Let alone that certainty that Osman, Korkmaz and Yurtseven will lead Turkey to glory and a gold in Eurobasket..

Arna did not play in euroleague games because of that he is not ready physically. He has shined in local games and extremely promising player.How many 97 born players took a serious role in euroleague?We knows that Zoc has showing particular interest on him to future.
Why did it disturb you that much?Those boys got so many medal and proved their talent he is normally expectant for the future.
There is more than that.Bitim,Gecim,Ulubay,Guven,Atar etc and many more those boys dominated in their age group.We could have added some of them to eurobasket roster like Arar,Ulubay,Gecim and Kosut but Sarica has never like to play with young boys.Look at that very few 95 born after players included team rosters.

 

[R1ou2]

Arna did not play in euroleague games because of that he is not ready physically. He has shined in local games and extremely promising player.How many 97 born players took a serious role in euroleague?We knows that Zoc has showing particular interest on him to future.
Why did it disturb you that much?Those boys got so many medal and proved their talent he is normally expectant for the future.
There is more than that.Bitim,Gecim,Ulubay,Guven,Atar etc and many more those boys dominated in their age group.We could have added some of them to eurobasket roster like Arar,Ulubay,Gecim and Kosut but Sarica has never like to play with young boys.Look at that very few 95 born after players included team rosters.

How did it disturb me? It didn't, as I said it was fun. Now tell what makes sense in the argument "he's a member of the best team in Europe" despite he doesn't get a single minute there.

 

[Black.Mamba2]

Arna did not play in euroleague games because of that he is not ready physically. He has shined in local games and extremely promising player.How many 97 born players took a serious role in euroleague?We knows that Zoc has showing particular interest on him to future.
Why did it disturb you that much?Those boys got so many medal and proved their talent he is normally expectant for the future.
There is more than that.Bitim,Gecim,Ulubay,Guven,Atar etc and many more those boys dominated in their age group.We could have added some of them to eurobasket roster like Arar,Ulubay,Gecim and Kosut but Sarica has never like to play with young boys.Look at that very few 95 born after players included team rosters.

We had to play with those guys with Sinan, Melih and Semih additions. Berk instead of Doğuş, Ege instead of Erkan, Emircan instead of Sertaç, Ömer Faruk istead of Barış Hersek would be better choices...

 

[c-myers2]

How did it disturb me? It didn't, as I said it was fun. Now tell what makes sense in the argument "he's a member of the best team in Europe" despite he doesn't get a single minute there.

Take it easy!Not to belabour the point.He did not mean that already said It is about the future.''next year Obradovic is planning to give him more minutes according to rumors. We have every reason to be optimistic about him.''

 

[R1ou2]

Take it easy!Not the belabour the point.He did not mean that already said It is about the future.''next year Obradovic is planning to give him more minutes according to rumors. We have every reason to be optimistic about him.''

Basically I'm talking about that

First of them is Berk, right?
He was a member of the Euroleague champion and the best team of Europe man. How many 96 born players in Europe could do better than Berk in this team? Not more than 2-3 I think...

You really think that's an argument which makes sense? Barely.

Anyway we're off topic.

 

[c-myers2]

We had to play with those guys with Sinan, Melih and Semih additions. Berk instead of Doğuş, Ege instead of Erkan, Emircan instead of Sertaç, Ömer Faruk istead of Barış Hersek would be better choices...

Would be way more exciting than this. Most of the players trash in the roster. I like Sarica but It is impossible with him.Egehan needs time. Ugurlu also nothing special but I would like to see Ulubay,Gecim,Arar,Birsen and Yurtseven.

It is gone too far not the right topic to discuss that.

 

[Black.Mamba2]

Basically I'm talking about that



You really think that's an argument which makes sense? Barely.

Anyway we're off topic.

Compare Egehan and Berk with Bochoridis and Charalampopoulos...

@myers

I wrote Ege, not Egehan.

 

[R1ou2]

Compare Egehan and Berk with Bochoridis and Charalampopoulos...

@myers

I wrote Ege, not Egehan.

iskoch, why not to compare them with Papanikolaou and Sloukas who were running the second unit at this age with Olympiakos winning b2b titles? Key word there is playing and not being the 13th and 14th players in a 10-man rotation..

And Charalampopoulos is a solid prospect..

 

[Black.Mamba2]

iskoch, why not to compare them with Papanikolaou and Sloukas who were running the second unit at this age with Olympiakos winning b2b titles? Key word there is playing and not being the 13th and 14th players in a 10-man rotation..

And Charalampopoulos is a solid prospect..

Because Sloukas and K-Pap are already players.

Charalampopoulos is a prospect, I agree.
But why Berk and Egehan are not?
What did Charalampopoulos do better than Berk and Egehan in senior level?

 

[CoachZ2]

By far the best dealer on IBN. The poppy is strong with this one...

 

[Lebasketball2]

Im cheering for Greece and Lithuania as always but at the moment im a little disappointed with their results. Hope they do better in the knockout stage and im sure they will.
IMO Spain is the most impressive and the favorite to win it.

 

[Darrell Armstrong2]

IMO Spain is the most impressive and the favorite to win it.

Spain has done squat up until now. Blowing up teams which fail to show up is not a good indication of future success.

 

[Shawshank2]

today so many good games awaits,cant wait ! its dream day for basketballholics