EL2022/23 - The Playoffs

[tonia2]

They should have been in comfortable lead at that point and not 3 points down, if they weren't out scored 37:13 in those catastrophic minutes. And 3 of those 14 points was Punter's very lucky of the board 3.

Real should also have made most of their home advantage, instead of losing both 2 first games in Madrid ..
It's all about the way we look at situations.

 

[Killer Bob2]

Sure, and when they were up 18 points, you just knew they were going to melt down, right? Too bad you didn't post it back then so I wouldn't hope too much.

I bet you were much closer to think it was going to be a blowout win for Partizan at that point. Keep acting like you knew it all when in fact you knew nothing.

It wasn't a meltdown. Smailagić fouled out, Lessort and Exum played both with 4 fouls and had to sit down for longer stretches. Real's depth decided the game, even with all of their absences. You just don't seem to understand that Partizan has basically 8-9 rotational players at this level (plus without Avramović for this game). Real has 15. Look at the freaking box score. Even without Deck and Yabusele, Real played with 11 players this game, two of whom had few minutes. Partizan played with 9 players, one of them with only 4 minutes and the other fouled out in like 8 minutes, which basically means they had to carry out this game with 7 players. Mental breakdown was not the reason why they lost this game.

If Partizan keep this core of players and improve their depth chart with couple of players, they will be among contenders next season.
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What are you talking about? I didn't say that I knew that Partizan will meltdown, I say that they did, after being out scored 37:13. If -24 in crucial period in game 5 isn't meltdown, then I don't know what it is.

1. Tavares had 4 fouls in 3rd.

2. Deep roster? Ndaye didn't play almost anything the whole season. Causeur played first few minutes after being injured 4 months back and Randolph was out 9 months before this playoffs. All those got minutes only because there were nobody else. And then you have 3 over 35 years old players, who were avenging around 5 points in this season. Add Hanga who is averaging 4 points too. That's your depth.

3. You should ask Obra, why 37 old Sergio outscored the whole Partizan roster in crucial period. I doubt that the answer is not having enough players.

 

[Serbian_Layup2]

What are you talking about? I didn't say that I knew that Partizan will meltdown, I say that they did, after being out scored 37:13. If -24 in crucial period in game 5 isn't meltdown, then I don't know what it is.

1. Tavares had 4 fouls in 3rd.

2. Deep roster? Ndaye didn't play almost anything the whole season. Causeur played first few minutes after being injured 4 months back and Randolph was out 9 months before this playoffs. And then you have 3 over 35 years old players, who were avenging around 5 points in this season. Add Hanga who is averaging 4 points too. That's your depth.

Real missed a handful of players for this game and yet Mateo could field 11 men rotation. That is not deep roster, no matter the age, form or whatever?

Partizan played the whole 4th quarter with crucial players in foul trouble. And one already was fouled out. They gassed out. Simple as that.

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[Killer Bob2]

Real missed a handful of players for this game and yet Mateo could field 11 men rotation. That is not deep roster, no matter the age, form or whatever?

Partizan played the whole 4th quarter with crucial players in foul trouble. And one already was fouled out. They gassed out. Simple as that.

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Ndaye is not better than Vukcevic and Causeur and Randolph were not in condition to help Real, but Mateo didn't have any chance other than play Ndaye and Randolph because Poirier was out and Tavares in foul trouble the whole game and he can't play small ball without Yabusele and Deck.

You really don't see how limited Real's options were without all those players? Depleted front court and basically no chance to play small ball without 2 crucial players for that. Partizan might have fewer players, but they had players to play their game and Real didn't. Do you really believe that 37 years old Sergio dominating the ball is a winning basketball? Partizan had the game in their pocket but they just gave it away.

 

[Serbian_Layup2]

Ndaye is not better than Vukcevic and Causeur and Randolph were not in condition to help Real, but Mateo didn't have any chance other than play Ndaye and Randolph because Poirier was out and Tavares in foul trouble the whole game and he can't play small ball without Yabusele and Deck.

You really don't see how limited Real's options were without all those players? Depleted front court and basically no chance to play small ball without 2 crucial players for that. Partizan might have fewer players, but they had players to play their game and Real didn't. Do you really believe that 37 years old Sergio dominating the ball is a winning basketball?

The reason why Obradović didn't play Vukčević is becasue he lacks physicality and can't stay on the floor. Ndiaye is very physical and strong, gave real presence in the paint and stonewalled Leday in the post couple of times. Causeur hit very important three which is more than Trifunović did for Partizan im 4 minutes, right?

Sergio Rodriguez is still a class. He can't win you a series, but he can win you a game. That's all Real needed from him.

 

[ronmercer802]

What are you talking about? I didn't say that I knew that Partizan will meltdown, I say that they did, after being out scored 37:13. If -24 in crucial period in game 5 isn't meltdown, then I don't know what it is.

1. Tavares had 4 fouls in 3rd.

2. Deep roster? Ndaye didn't play almost anything the whole season. Causeur played first few minutes after being injured 4 months back and Randolph was out 9 months before this playoffs. All those got minutes only because there were nobody else. And then you have 3 over 35 years old players, who were avenging around 5 points in this season. Add Hanga who is averaging 4 points too. That's your depth.

3. You should ask Obra, why 37 old Sergio outscored the whole Partizan roster in crucial period. I doubt that the answer is not having enough players.

About the last consideration I was thinking exactly the same thing, El Chacho was considered by Armani Milano an old-age pensioner to be released immediately.

It is unbelievable that he was the protagonist against Partizan. I am not certain at all that Obradovic shouldn't be criticized. He had an excellent young and expensive roster at his disposal this year.

 

[Obina2]

Partizan lost at the end only because of fight in game 2. Pretty stupid move from Punter despite he is overall best player in both teams and probably top5 in whole competition. And also I must say dirty but smart move from Llull.

Anyway both Fener and Partizan missed big chances for Kaunas.

 

[Killer Bob2]

The reason why Obradović didn't play Vukčević is becasue he lacks physicality and can't stay on the floor. Ndiaye is very physical and strong, gave real presence in the paint and stonewalled Leday in the post couple of times. Causeur hit very important three which is more than Trifunović did for Partizan im 4 minutes, right?

Sergio Rodriguez is still a class. He can't win you a series, but he can win you a game. That's all Real needed from him.

I just want to explain to you that what we have seen from Real in most of this series is not a deep roster team, but very limited team with pretty limited coach, who was more or less cooked. It was more about Partizan not being able to take what was there for taking than anything else.

Partizan was 15 points up in 29th minute, Tavares with 4 fouls. There should be the end.

 

[Killer Bob2]

About the last consideration I was thinking exactly the same thing, El Chacho was considered by Armani Milano an old-age pensioner to be released immediately.

It is unbelievable that he was the protagonist against Partizan. I am not certain at all that Obradovic shouldn't be criticized. He had an excellent young and expensive roster at his disposal this year.

Chacho has played 66 games this season, Euroleague and Acb, averaging less than 5 points, he has scored only 4 times more than 10 points and never more than 14 points before last game.

 

[tonia2]

About the last consideration I was thinking exactly the same thing, El Chacho was considered by Armani Milano an old-age pensioner to be released immediately.

It is unbelievable that he was the protagonist against Partizan. I am not certain at all that Obradovic shouldn't be criticized. He had an excellent young and expensive roster at his disposal this year.

I would never expect Partizan to be so close to F4 participation with this roster. For me, this is all Obradovic's accomplishment.

 

[Serbian_Layup2]

I just want to explain to you that what we have seen from Real in most of this series is not a deep roster team, but very limited team with pretty limited coach, who was more or less cooked. It was more about Partizan not being able to take what was there for taking than anything else.

Partizan was 15 points up in 29th minute, Tavares with 4 fouls. There should be the end.

It was more about what happened in G2 rather than anything else. Real was absolutely going to be cooked, but then momentum changed after that brawl, and Real's 15 men roster in whatever form or age worked in their favor. How else could they survive without Deck and Yabusele? Deserved win for Real in G5 though. Partizan gassed out in the end.

They may be 35 or 38 y.o. but they still finished in top 3 this season. Not too shabby for limited roster.

 

[Shawshank2]

I usually i dont agree with Bobby,but real bigs rotation was joke in game 5.

No Deck,No Yabusele,No Poirier and Tavares playing with one healthy leg

They couldnt even play normal small ball and had to play zone defence for most of the game because they didnt even have normal size body at PF to defend Leday

Ndiaye is raw atletic kid that had no clue what to do in such type games no suprise he fauled out like in 10minutes,Randolps legs looked dead with no life.Everytime he played Real went down on score.

Best Real option was to play 4 small players with Tavares and lots of zone defence risking alot of 3point line


Partizan couldnt ask for better chance.Game 5 Real roster they put no chance would have finish top4 in standings in euroleague regular season

 

[Killer Bob2]

It was more about what happened in G2 rather than anything else. Real was absolutely going to be cooked, but then momentum changed after that brawl, and Real's 15 men roster in whatever form or age worked in their favor. How else could they survive without Deck and Yabusele? Deserved win for Real in G5 though. Partizan gassed out in the end.

They may be 35 or 38 y.o. but they still finished in top 3 this season. Not too shabby for limited roster.

Roster with which they played in this series would have big problems to make playoffs.

 

[Serbian_Layup2]

Roster with which they played in this series would have big problems to make playoffs.

Roster in which Partizan played games 3 and 4 with injured Exum would finish in lower half of the standings.

 

[Serbian_Layup2]

Roster in which Partizan played games 3 and 4 with injured Exum would finish in lower half of the standings.

You can't pretend that what happened in G2 didn't have any effect for the rest of the series. It worked better for Real than it did for Paritzan.

 

[Nemanja952]

When we count whole qf series, both team have shown similar quality. Unlike first two games when we are a little bit lucky, from game 3, circumstances is favorable for Real Madrid, with suspensions, tragical situation before game 4.

In close games they are excellent what everybody knows.

I don't understand why people underestimate Real with similar roster last year there were far for one ball from Euroleague title.

Last night, we hadn't win. With Real Madrid's play in 2nd half 16 points advantage is not unreachable.

We couldn't say Real didn't deserve win, as well as Partizan if won we couldn't say it is not deserved.

Quarter finals is very good result for us, as well being close on one game from f4 vs Real Madrid, with so much experience, individual quality, width of roster..

 

[Killer Bob2]

You can't pretend that what happened in G2 didn't have any effect for the rest of the series. It worked better for Real than it did for Paritzan.

It might for sure, but we will never know. You're seriously downplaying that game 1 was a buzzer beater, it could ended either way, and game 2 without Tavares, meaning Real basically without front court. But in game 5 Partizan had huge advantage playing with full roster and both Yabusele and Deck being out and couldn't capitalised on 18 points lead. Partizan showed dominance you're implying only in game 2, where Real was without front court.

 

[Jazz2]

Why shouldn't he attend the game?

Because he seriously assaulted one of the Partizan players just two weeks ago and is currently suspended from playing for the rest of the season. You don't consider his prominent appearance at this game and behaviour afterwards provocative in that context?

 

[Killer Bob2]

Roster in which Partizan played games 3 and 4 with injured Exum would finish in lower half of the standings.

You know that Tavares has problem with his knee too?

Exum's game was heavily hit not only by his injury, but with zone D, which he doesn't exactly like to play against.

 

[Killer Bob2]

Because he seriously assaulted one of the Partizan players just two weeks ago and is currently suspended from playing for the rest of the season. You don't consider his prominent appearance at this game and behaviour afterwards provocative in that context?

He didn't play, he just watched the game as other fans. What should he do, be sad? I'm sure that he's pretty sad not to able to play in F4.

Btw. what do you think was punishment for Batiste?

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