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EL 2023/24 - Gameday 32

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paspalj said:
No, sorry, maybe I should have expressed myself better. I’ll try again:

I disagree that winning is not an option for Fener. I believe they can win *despite* the fact that Oly is a better team (generally) imo. I don’t think they are that much better to justify a certainty in losing. Fener has inproved a lot throughout the season and I think they will be a super tough playoffs opponent for anyone.
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I have to talk back here. Do or die games are decided by difference making players. Oly might be a good team with solid role distributions etc. but Fenerbahce has more and better creating players. Dorsey, Biberovic, Davis let alone Wilbekin can decide a game. Oly doesnt have a single perimeter player who could do so.
 
I agree that willbekin is capable to decide games alone. He decided against Milan and we lost HCA chances

He will probably decide some playoff games too
 
Haha I wanted to say the same. Wilbekin can decide the games alright, but in the wrong direction.

Anyway, Oly is the favorite against anyone in Pireus. Fener has more fire power but less cohesion.
 
Levenspiel said:
Haha I wanted to say the same. Wilbekin can decide the games alright, but in the wrong direction.

Anyway, Oly is the favorite against anyone in Pireus. Fener has more fire power but less cohesion.
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Fenerbahce isnt Maccabi and dependant on Wilbekin alone. I dont see any scenario where Oly can beat FB rn.
 
Toruko said:
Fenerbahce is rn the best basketball team in Europe but it has some weaknesses. I strongly doubt another team than Real Madrid could really expose those though. I dont really think that either Oly or PAO can truly beat FB rn.
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It was unthinkable that you would have posted this just two months ago, but that shows just how dramatic this turnaround from Fener has been.
 
Jazz said:
It was unthinkable that you would have posted this just two months ago, but that shows just how dramatic this turnaround from Fener has been.
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It made click somewhere in the season. Like I said FB has weaknesses but other teams have more serious weaknesses and I strongly doubt that any team except Real Madrid can expose and exploit these weaknesses.
 
Toruko said:
It made click somewhere in the season. Like I said FB has weaknesses but other teams have more serious weaknesses and I strongly doubt that any team except Real Madrid can expose and exploit these weaknesses.
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And they have that positive momentum at this stage of the season without the burden of being considered favourites. Interesting times ahead!
 
janketa said:
Take a look again on game against Milan
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Considering your logic Real Madrid has 0 chance. RS games doesnt say anything at this stage. Losing here and there is better than starting high and ending like Real Madrid. Losing a couple games sharpens you. Its even better.
 
Toruko said:
Considering your logic Real Madrid has 0 chance. RS games doesnt say anything at this stage. Losing here and there is better than starting high and ending like Real Madrid. Losing a couple games sharpens you. Its even better.
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It wasn't regular game, it was fighting for HCA
1st chance was against Pao and we lost, against Milan was 2nd chance and we lost in similar way
3rd will be probably against Oly. I will be happy if I am mistaking
 
janketa said:
It wasn't regular game, it was fighting for HCA
1st chance was against Pao and we lost, against Milan was 2nd chance and we lost in similar way
3rd will be probably against Oly. I will be happy if I am mistaking
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It does not matter.
 
janketa said:
Yes, you are biased a lot. I mean Navaro, Llull, they were not even main players in titles. For instance, Doncic was the guy in wining his 2nd title, Tavares in 3rd, Chacho in 1st

If I would biased as you the best player in EL was Bogdan, but he left too early and didn't win enough titles to be considered as the best.

Larkin needs one more title to make step ahead of Parker, who won 2 in a row as main player. Larkin has the most Mvp of the round awards so far and he is still active

I am talking about numbers and you about perception
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WHAAAAAAT?! Hahahaahaha you have to be kidding me.

Ok, here we go.

Navarro played in the slow ball era. Anyway he averaged 15 points back then year by year. When he won his 1st title he had great contribution when he was very young. 2010, Barca champions, he is the F4 MVP. Destroyed Oly in the final game. Year before he is EL MVP. Winning MVP back then was much tougher than now. And he always played 20-25 mins. Pascual was always the coach who shared minutes properly. He didn't have Ataman as a coach. If he had he would play 30-35 mins and average 20 points per game. If he plays now he would have 20 points easy per game.

Llull, 3 times champion. EL MVP. Like Navarro played 20 mins average per game. Most importantly had biggest balls every time Real needed. Clutch and winning player. Larkin showed he can't win anything without Micic. Llull at F4 -
2015- had great games against Oly and Fener
2018- he is the only reason why Real won against CSKA
2023- after injuries and everything that happened and at his age he scored shot for the title. WINNING PLAYER. Micic was the one who was making crucial shots for Efes at the F4s.

Larkin has 0 MVPs, 0 F4 MVPs. Only thing he has is scoring title, same as Navarro. Llull was never main scorer. He does everything. Larkin didn't do anything in Baskonia. He floped this year so hard. Last year same story. When Micic was healthy Efes was playing great. Without him they are crap.

I repeat, If Navarro plays now or if Llull is 5, 6 years younger they would average 20 points. If you talk about numbers than Nigel Hayes is better player than Fotsis or Printezis because he averages more points? Or Lorenzo Brown better than Spanoulis? Your dearly WilbeKING than Diamantidis? That's crazy way to compare.

Maybe you can make the case Larkin is better than Llull even for me he isn't but to say he is better than Navarro is crime against humanity.
 
Toruko said:
I have to talk back here. Do or die games are decided by difference making players. Oly might be a good team with solid role distributions etc. but Fenerbahce has more and better creating players. Dorsey, Biberovic, Davis let alone Wilbekin can decide a game. Oly doesnt have a single perimeter player who could do so.
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Ok, lets agree to disagree then :)
 
Edgar said:
WHAAAAAAT?! Hahahaahaha you have to be kidding me.

Ok, here we go.

Navarro played in the slow ball era. Anyway he averaged 15 points back then year by year. When he won his 1st title he had great contribution when he was very young. 2010, Barca champions, he is the F4 MVP. Destroyed Oly in the final game. Year before he is EL MVP. Winning MVP back then was much tougher than now. And he always played 20-25 mins. Pascual was always the coach who shared minutes properly. He didn't have Ataman as a coach. If he had he would play 30-35 mins and average 20 points per game. If he plays now he would have 20 points easy per game.

Llull, 3 times champion. EL MVP. Like Navarro played 20 mins average per game. Most importantly had biggest balls every time Real needed. Clutch and winning player. Larkin showed he can't win anything without Micic. Llull at F4 -
2015- had great games against Oly and Fener
2018- he is the only reason why Real won against CSKA
2023- after injuries and everything that happened and at his age he scored shot for the title. WINNING PLAYER. Micic was the one who was making crucial shots for Efes at the F4s.

Larkin has 0 MVPs, 0 F4 MVPs. Only thing he has is scoring title, same as Navarro. Llull was never main scorer. He does everything. Larkin didn't do anything in Baskonia. He floped this year so hard. Last year same story. When Micic was healthy Efes was playing great. Without him they are crap.

I repeat, If Navarro plays now or if Llull is 5, 6 years younger they would average 20 points. If you talk about numbers than Nigel Hayes is better player than Fotsis or Printezis because he averages more points? Or Lorenzo Brown better than Spanoulis? Your dearly WilbeKING than Diamantidis? That's crazy way to compare.

Maybe you can make the case Larkin is better than Llull even for me he isn't but to say he is better than Navarro is crime against humanity.
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I appreciate your answer with the facts unlike some clowns here who can't reach with their basketball knowledge longer then their miserable betting odds

I see you didn't understand my post and meaning regarding Larkin

He needs one more title, in Efes,Pao or Fener never mind, But if he reach that goal then Micic and Navaro won't be arguments anymore.

I won't comment about Llull because you know that all what you wrote is nonsence and strange wish to dominate without any reason.

Next time try with Doncic, Bogdan, Parker or guy who played for Fener De Colo

I am sorry you are late in this story because if you were here last season, you could see what is Efes with Micic and without Larkin(1st half of the season)
 
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Edgar said:
Panathinaikos fans are really the unluckiest people ever. We just can't catch a break with the other results
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Well, you received the gift in Madrid, so there is that. :) I mean, if you really think that Real losing against any team in front of their fans with such a huge point difference, than what we are talking about?
 
Toruko said:
Fenerbahce isnt Maccabi and dependant on Wilbekin alone. I dont see any scenario where Oly can beat FB rn.
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That's exactly the problem. Fenerbahce doesn't need Wilbekin's heroics, but he plays as if they do. Hence you see those difficult shots from 9m over defenders with no ball movement. If he makes a few of those, everyone goes crazy, forgetting that it was completely unnecessary. If he doesn't, Fener loses.
 
markkanen said:
Well, you received the gift in Madrid, so there is that. :) I mean, if you really think that Real losing against any team in front of their fans with such a huge point difference, than what we are talking about?
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Panathinaikos didnt recived gift against Real Madrid. They were better at that match and more hungry for that W so that is well deserved win, not a gift.
What is Real Madrid, Chicago Bulls 1995/1996 so they are not beatable in their court and they "gifted" win to Panathinaikos.
I mean Real Madrid is the best in EL, but also Panathinaikos is 3rd best (in my opinion) so like i said, that is nothing to do with "gifts", just Pao was better in that match and more hungry for that W.
 
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