Draw for the Tokyo 2020 Olympic Games [Mies, Switzerland, Mar 21]

[madmax2]

so what is the actual reason FIBA decided to abandon an established and working 2 groups of 6 format and go with this confusing 3 group mess instead? This way not only some teams will be screwed by being drawn into stronger more balanced groups, but winning the games will not even be enough anymore, as players will have to exert themselves for 40 minutes in every single game for that elusive point differential lol

 

[Mindozas6]

so what is the actual reason FIBA decided to abandon an established and working 2 groups of 6 format and go with this confusing 3 group mess instead? This way not only some teams will be screwed by being drawn into stronger more balanced groups, but winning the games will not even be enough anymore, as players will have to exert themselves for 40 minutes in every single game for that elusive point differential lol

Today before the draw one FIBA representative was talking about load management or smth like that - 6 games instead of 8 and etc. how great it is... basically typical FIBA brainwash how great they are and things they do.

Let alone these possible dumb situations when you'll have to play your best players while leading/losing big, at least in first rounds, this system has another big flaw - teams which will play last in last round will have major advantage over others. Usually such games are played at the same time for all teams to be in the same situation, but of course it won't happen here

 

[mojo132]

Today before the draw one FIBA representative was talking about load management or smth like that - 6 games instead of 8 and etc. how great it is... basically typical FIBA brainwash how great they are and things they do.

Let alone these possible dumb situations when you'll have to play your best players while leading/losing big, at least in first rounds, this system has another big flaw - teams which will play last in last round will have major advantage over others. Usually such games are played at the same time for all teams to be in the same situation, but of course it won't happen here

As a Canadian fan...I was pretty disappointed to see this draw at first. Not to look past Turkey, Greece, Czech at all...but assuming Canada qualifies (and we bring a decent team) then Pool A looks to be the toughest pool. The fear of the USA running up a big point differential and causing the 3rd place in Pool A allot of trouble is the gut reaction.

But thinking about it more it could be a little less of a concern. Iran is the key here - as +50 points on Iran is not out of the realm of possibility. Same but a little less so with Pool C and Japan (Yuta and Rui could have a big impact).

With the USA I don't see them running up huge point differentials on either Canada or France. Assuming both Canada and France bring most of their NBA contingent they will both have the most NBA players of any teams. The USA players know these guys and are friends with them. There is no rivalry...there is no disrespect. Nothing really to prove and no reason to run up the score. I more see the USA having a comfortable lead and then laying off the gas a bit in the 4th with games in the 10-15 point differential range. Canada and France however would go balls out against Iran for a full 40 minutes.

Allot of wishful thinking here and at this point I am not even sure Canada can pull off hosting the Qualifier at this point, let alone win it. But thinking on this...the 3rd place team in Pool B could have the toughest situation.

 

[juli_rc2]

I guess most of us hate it Btw, Sergio Hernandez will remain your head coach, right? I had some doubts since he moved to coach to Spain, but found nothing about his plans to retire from NT



The teams placed first and second in each group and the 2 best third placed teams will qualify for the Quarter-Finals.
The eight teams will be divided in a group D (best 4 teams) and a group E (remaining 4 teams).
The Quarter-Final pairings will be drawn on 1 July after the end of the Group Phase.

Why Hate it? Is an olympic tornament, all great team is it in. The only team to avoid is USA...
Yes Sergio is in. Argentina coach staff is great!

 

[juli_rc2]

In order to compete, and get a medal Argentina needs to reach the maximum level as possible at the exact time, because is a short tournament... No room for bad nights since day one.

4 weeks of training camp, as Argentina always does...

PG: Campazzo (Denver, USA), Lapro (Real Madrid, SPA), Vildoza (Baskonia, SPA)
SG: Brussino (Zaragoza, SPA), Bolmaro (Barcelona, SPA)
SF: Garino (Zalgiris, LTU), Deck (Real Madrid, SPA)
PF: Scola (Varese, ITA), Vaulet (Manresa, SPA)
C: Delia (Trieste, ITA), Caffaro A. (Corrientes, ARG), Gallizi (Corrientes, ARG)

Possible:
SG: Delfino (Pessaro, ITA), Fjellerup (San Lorenzo, ARG)
C: Caffaro F. (Virginia, USA)

Don't see other players reaching the team.

 

[Federoy2]

I believe the change in format is going to result in less compelling basketball. Six games doesn't do the participants any justice because it allows for nearly zero margin for error in the preliminary rounds. FIBA manages to ruin everything.

 

[Katastroika2]

In order to compete, and get a medal Argentina needs to reach the maximum level as possible at the exact time, because is a short tournament... No room for bad nights since day one.

4 weeks of training camp, as Argentina always does...

PG: Campazzo (Denver, USA), Lapro (Real Madrid, SPA), Vildoza (Baskonia, SPA)
SG: Brussino (Zaragoza, SPA), Bolmaro (Barcelona, SPA)
SF: Garino (Zalgiris, LTU), Deck (Real Madrid, SPA)
PF: Scola (Varese, ITA), Vaulet (Manresa, SPA)
C: Delia (Trieste, ITA), Caffaro A. (Corrientes, ARG), Gallizi (Corrientes, ARG)

Possible:
SG: Delfino (Pessaro, ITA), Fjellerup (San Lorenzo, ARG)
C: Caffaro F. (Virginia, USA)

Don't see other players reaching the team.

Personally I don't see Campazzo in this training camp. Minimum for Denver will be conference semis this year.

 

[juli_rc2]

Personally I don't see Campazzo in this training camp. Minimum for Denver will be conference semis this year.

I forgot it! Yes

 

[Kings2]

Mens

Group A: Iran, France, USA and Czech Republic
Group B: Australia, Germany, Italy and Nigeria
Group C: Argentina, Japan, Spain and Slovenia

 

[Federoy2]

Mens

Group A: Iran, France, USA and Czech Republic
Group B: Australia, Germany, Italy and Nigeria
Group C: Argentina, Japan, Spain and Slovenia

Group C is looking particularly ferocious.

 

[reamily2]

So how they will decide the quarterfinal pairings here?..

Its an open field but fiba will be criticized on this crazy format, it seems anyones ball game now and whoever is on top condition by august might win it all..

 

[judasmartel2]

So how they will decide the quarterfinal pairings here?..

Its an open field but fiba will be criticized on this crazy format, it seems anyones ball game now and whoever is on top condition by august might win it all..

Probably the top 2 1-seeds will face the top 2 of the 3-seeds as long as they are not in the same group. FIFA uses a sort of table to determine playoff pairings for odd groups like this so FIBA would probably use a similar table. Very confusing overall, it would have been better if the IOC and FIBA just kept the usual 2 groups of 6 each or even made it 4 groups of 3 each if they really wanted to "implement load management".

 

[Darrell Armstrong2]

It's impossible to know in advance because the best 2nd is seeded as a group winner, and furthermore teams from the same group cannot face each other. So a single tie-break can alter the whole schedule.

Not likely, but we can reach a situation in which the 2nd and 3rd place teams from a group have the same odds of facing the winner from another group; turning their matchup moot. For example:

- Winner of group A can only face teams from group B and C
- Group B 2nd is the best of all teams finishing 2nd, so it is placed in the same bag as the group winners
- Group B 3rd is the worst of all teams finishing 3rd, and therefore eliminated
- The only possible matchups for the winner of team A are 2nd and 3rd from group C

 

[judasmartel2]

It's impossible to know in advance because the best 2nd is seeded as a group winner, and furthermore teams from the same group cannot face each other. So a single tie-break can alter the whole schedule.

Not likely, but we can reach a situation in which the 2nd and 3rd place teams from a group have the same odds of facing the winner from another group; turning their matchup moot. For example:

- Winner of group A can only face teams from group B and C
- Group B 2nd is the best of all teams finishing 2nd, so it is placed in the same bag as the group winners
- Group B 3rd is the worst of all teams finishing 3rd, and therefore eliminated
- The only possible matchups for the winner of team A are 2nd and 3rd from group C

Is it still possible to tank for a better matchup with this kind of grouping that the IOC and FIBA chose for this edition of the Olympics?

IIRC in WC 2014 Australia was accused by Goran Dragic of intentionally losing their final group game vs Angola so that they would not have to meet Team USA until the semifinals while Slovenia had to meet USA in the QF due to the quirks of the crossover playoff pairings. But that didn't matter because Turkey's Emir Preldzic sent Australia packing in the Round of 16 anyway.

 

[Darrell Armstrong2]

Is it still possible to tank for a better matchup with this kind of grouping that the IOC and FIBA chose for this edition of the Olympics?

I don't see how. I mean, how do you control which #1 seed you face in quarterfinals? Best case, you have a 50% chance of landing your preferred matchup, but everything after that is out of your control. Tanking had some benefits when you obtained a clear path to the medal game by choosing the weakest side of the bracket. That's now impossible.