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Draw for the Tokyo 2020 Olympic Games [Mies, Switzerland, Mar 21]

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Katastroika said:
Let's qualify first Mindozas, then we will speak about avoiding in each other in July :)
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Hehe, true dat :) I intentionally didn't try to analyse who would suit us better, just a look at overall perspective of 2nd and 3rd pot teams, and I still can't accept these changes being a big fan of Olympics
 
Womens

Group A: Korea, Serbia, Canada and Spain.
Group B: Nigeria, Japan, France and USA.
Group C: Australia, Puerto Rico, China and Belgium.
 
Mens

Group A: Iran, France, USA and Winner OQT Victoria.
Group B: Australia, Winner OQT Split, Winner OQT Belgrade and Nigeria.
Group C: Argentina, Japan, Spain and Winner OQT Kaunas.
 
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Mens:

A: USA, France, OQT (in Canada), Iran

B: Australia, OQT (in Serbia), OQT (in Croatia), Nigeria

C: Spain, Argentina, OQT (in Lithuania), Japan


Quite balanced draw. If we'll qualify, I think we will get into nice group, Japan as rival to boost points difference, no big favs like USA to lose big. Argentina and Spain also a bit on downtrend, so beatable rivals. But that's just in theory for now :)
 
I am satisfied with our potential opponents, too.

Hope we will make it.
 
I don't care about this draw right now, because it looks like those Olympic qualification tournaments are going to be as tough as it can get for some big teams. Great uncertainty about who is going to be available and who's not...and there are always health problems which Serbia for example is already experiencing big time.
 
To be honest I do.

This time the most fatal draw would have been drawn together with USA because one more additional loss is eliminating you pretty surely. As this is avoided we can head into February windows and slightly prepare for June afterwards.
 
Katastroika said:
To be honest I do.

This time the most fatal draw would have been drawn together with USA because one more additional loss is eliminating you pretty surely. As this is avoided we can head into February windows and slightly prepare for June afterwards.
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That's the key right there. We don't have time for preparations, in fact no one does. Besides that, I think there is a slim chance that our two best players are going to show up (Jokić and Bogdan) for various reasons. Then add Milutinov's injury...some other players with chronic injury problems too, and all of a sudden our biggest strengths against Italy as our strongest opponent are getting weakened.

We avoided USA and that's great, but it won't mean much if we don't get there.
 
Even if we, Lithuania/Serbia are not qualified, but we are not some underdogs either, we are among favorites in our qualifying tournaments, so it's normal to look forward to what might happen if we'll actually make it. I don't think that qualifying to Olympics alone would mean that we are satisfied now and can stop here. It's of course great to be there, but the least I want is to make it to PO in Tokyo and then anything can happen. So we can take these qualifiers as 1st step to our goal, Olympic group as 2nd and etc. How far we will go only time will tell, but it's good to know the possible path and rivals
 
Serbian_Layup said:
That's the key right there. We don't have time for preparations, in fact no one does. Besides that, I think there is a slim chance that our two best players are going to show up (Jokić and Bogdan) for various reasons. Then add Milutinov's injury...some other players with chronic injury problems too, and all of a sudden our biggest strengths against Italy as our strongest opponent are getting weakened.

We avoided USA and that's great, but it won't mean much if we don't get there.
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Bogdan started shooting practice, he will be fine. I don't expect Hawks in Eastern finals. Jokic will most likely join if we qualify but don't forget his relation with Milojevic and Kokoskov, I think not last word is spoken here, too. We will have for sure a good enough team to compete against everyone.

I buy that we should go step by step as I am also fan of this concept but as Mindozas said it's clearly normal to check whom we can play against.
 
I wouldn't be so reserved. IMO, Lithuania has terrific chances to be in Olympics, and the draw is good also, can't add much to Mindozas' take. But...I could summarize it this way though: we have only one little problem, we don't have a head coach. If we had a real head coach, I would say we pretty much won lottery ticket, specially remembering what we had after 2019WC draw. Now I have a feeling Maskolunas will find ways to screw big time. I doubt anybody can blame after what I've recently saw.
 
Good draw for us! We already avoided USA (same continent) and in the draw avoid Nigeria (every year getting stronger).

3° team from group A have unfavorable odds. The two best third-placed teams should come from groups B and C.

I hate this format! :mad:
 
Is there is know how exactly second draw gonna be made after groups is over?

For example 3 group winners goes to one basket, second place winners to other or some other way?

I imagine group winners can't meet in 1/4 right?

Strongest group will be B, but how system is built worst scenerio is playing in A with USA because of point difference.
 
juli_rc said:
Good draw for us! We already avoided USA (same continent) and in the draw avoid Nigeria (every year getting stronger).

3° team from group A have unfavorable odds. The two best third-placed teams should come from groups B and C.

I hate this format! :mad:
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I guess most of us hate it :) Btw, Sergio Hernandez will remain your head coach, right? I had some doubts since he moved to coach to Spain, but found nothing about his plans to retire from NT


Shawshank said:
Is there is know how exactly second draw gonna be made after groups is over?

For example 3 group winners goes to one basket, second place winners to other or some other way?

I imagine group winners can't meet in 1/4 right?
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The teams placed first and second in each group and the 2 best third placed teams will qualify for the Quarter-Finals.
The eight teams will be divided in a group D (best 4 teams) and a group E (remaining 4 teams).
The Quarter-Final pairings will be drawn on 1 July after the end of the Group Phase.
 
But that group USA, France, Winner of Canada tournament is really like last years World Cup group of Lithuania. Every game will be like war.
 
Mindozas said:
I guess most of us hate it :) Btw, Sergio Hernandez will remain your head coach, right? I had some doubts since he moved to coach to Spain, but found nothing about his plans to retire from NT




The teams placed first and second in each group and the 2 best third placed teams will qualify for the Quarter-Finals.
The eight teams will be divided in a group D (best 4 teams) and a group E (remaining 4 teams).
The Quarter-Final pairings will be drawn on 1 July after the end of the Group Phase.
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But how they gonna decide which is nr4 or nr5 or nr6 team just on point difference? W/L ratio will be same.

So it's crusial to be nr4 team ( best second place winner) going to same basket as 3 group winners in such case.
 
Shawshank said:
But how they gonna decide which is nr4 or nr5 or nr6 team just on point difference? W/L ratio will be same.

So it's crusial to be nr4 team ( best second place winner) going to same basket as 3 group winners in such case.
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As ridiculous as it may sound, but yes, if number of wins will be equal, most likely it will be points difference. Olympic fate now might depend on how big one team will beat Japan or other Iran
 
Checking out rivals and doing some power rankings is fun and interesting, I agree with that... There are just many uncertainties and potential absences of key players in these OQ tournaments which might hurt favorites more than other teams and the difference between favorites and underdogs won't be as big as it would in normal circumstances.

And I'm not sure that Serbia and Lithuania with new coaches and without proper time for preparations are as big favorites as it seems at the first glance. Looking at NBA standings right now and possible development, it might very well happen that Italy and Slovenia come in full capacity (with Dončić and Gallinari), while Serbia and Lithuania could play without their best players (Jokić and Sabonis). Still, chances are looking good for both even in that case, but it might get very hot in Belgrade and Kaunas ;)
 
Mindozas said:
As ridiculous as it may sound, but yes, if number of wins will be equal, most likely it will be points difference. Olympic fate now might depend on how big one team will beat Japan or other Iran
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In Japan or Iran game everybody will pressure those poor teams too maximum for 40 minutes how this is system is built to win as much as possible :D

It can end up important not just not to become worst 3rd team, but also having chances becoming best second place team.
 
A Turkish idiom says "don't roll up your trousers before reaching the stream". It brings bad luck :D
 
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