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Draw for the FIBA World Cup [Manila, Philippines, Apr 29]

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This is the way of FIFA as well.

it is intentional as an award to the host to give them the best chance to stay alive and have home games as long as possible.

im much more concerned at the relatively much easier path some other lucky nations will benefit from by drawing into the hosts pool or the cross over pool.

so much for competitive integrity.
 
FIBAWC news:

China:

Chinese basketball president Yao Ming reveals that they are already planning to naturalized Kyle Anderson of Minnesota Timberwolves (He has Chinese Ancestry, His grandmother is a Chinese), Also in the mix is Marshon Brooks...

https://www.sohu.com/a/664046399_461606?scm=1103.plate:497:0.0.1_1.0& spm=smpc.channel_259.block12_113_oUMXZp_1_fd.1.168 0877886043tKlMPAu_1082

https://www.sohu.com/a/664048808_100160237?scm=1102.xchannel:1479:110036. 0.3.0~9010.68.0.0.0&spm=smpc.content-abroad.fd-d.5.16808779412237tItvak&_f=index_pagerecom_6

Spain:

Naturalized player Lorenzo Brown will play for Spain again for this year's FIBA WC... He announced his participation this summer today...

https://basketnews.com/news-187825-lorenzo-brown-commits-to-play-in-fiba-world-cup.html


Serbia:

Bogdan Bogdanovic will play for Serbia this summer (If healthy)....

https://www.fiba.basketball/basketb...-two-punch-from-bogdanovic-jokic-at-world-cup


Australia:

Add Josh Giddey on the list of Australian NBAers who will play for Australia for this year's FIBA WC

https://www.fiba.basketball/basketb...y-i-will-definitely-be-there-at-the-world-cup


Germany:

Wagner bros announced their participation for FIBA WC this summer

https://www.fiba.basketball/basketb...ers-fired-up-to-play-for-germany-at-world-cup​
 
So, Spain is coming with both Rubio and Brown. Tough to beat them, endless creation from p&r...
 
Straight forward said:
Lost respect to Spain. Trash. Thanks to Garbajosa.
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Although in a other way, They needed Brown especially against multiple NBAers likes of Canada, Australia and especially team USA.... What if USA gets Embiid, Do you also lost respect to team USA? Are you Lithuanian, right? I heard even Lithuania planning to naturalized Keenan Evans from Zalgris... It just means do you also lost respect to your country too?
 
Straight forward said:
Lost respect to Spain. Trash. Thanks to Garbajosa.
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Dude you have to cut this crap a bit. I think Frank Lubin won gold with the US team before representing Lithuania. Two of the three titles you have in your resume have been achieved with a full line-up of players born and raised in Chicago, Illinois. Frank Lubin fled your country back to his native California when WWII broke out and continued playing basketball there. So did the others.

This is not taking away anything from your basketball tradition, the point is sadly that after decades only trophies and glory are remembered, circumstances are lost, just like the Lithuanian rosters from the 30s. Nobody likes the naturalised player rule, yet you have a roster in your signature containing both Matas Buzelis and Ignas Brazdeikis. I guess if you want them both, other teams can have one? ; )
 
Giannis34GOD said:
Although in a other way, They needed Brown especially against multiple NBAers likes of Canada, Australia and especially team USA.... What if USA gets Embiid, Do you also lost respect to team USA? Are you Lithuanian, right? I heard even Lithuania planning to naturalized Keenan Evans from Zalgris... It just means do you also lost respect to your country too?
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OK, it's time to say this very clearly as you are second guy on this forum who got confused with Evans news. It was April Fool's Day joke that Evans joining NT. Zalgiris made this joke and published it exactly on April 1 :) Shit's ain't real.

Absolutely. If USA will naturalize non-American player, it will be the biggest travesty...Even worse than random dude Brown playing for Spain...
 
Ridirkulous said:
Dude you have to cut this crap a bit. I think Frank Lubin won gold with the US team before representing Lithuania. Two of the three titles you have in your resume have been achieved with a full line-up of players born and raised in Chicago, Illinois. Frank Lubin fled your country back to his native California when WWII broke out and continued playing basketball there. So did the others.

This is not taking away anything from your basketball tradition, the point is sadly that after decades only trophies and glory are remembered, circumstances are lost, just like the Lithuanian rosters from the 30s. Nobody likes the naturalised player rule, yet you have a roster in your signature containing both Matas Buzelis and Ignas Brazdeikis. I guess if you want them both, other teams can have one? ; )
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FOA, Frank Lubin, is Pranas Lubinas. Both of his parents are pure Lithuanians. Just as in case of Brazdeikis, Buzelis and Indrusaitis (all will play for NT, IMO). In other words, Lubinas was the guy who born from 2 pure Lithuanians, just not in Lithuania, but abroad.

The same with Iggy Brazdeikis. He naturalized only because he played for Canada U16 and U17. But his general dream was always to play for Lithuania. Both of his parents are pure Liths and they as family used to watch LTU NT games in the states. So, how can you compare such cases when Lithuanian emigrants are playing for their national team with cases when random Americans represent random countries? It's has no connection literally. Even if there was no naturalization rule, Iggy would have chances to represent Lithuania. Our federation was saying that there were few ways to sort this out as he is obviously Lithuanian.

Buzelis and Indrusaitis won't need anything to represent Lithuania, no naturalization needed. They are Lithuanians with passports and never represented other countries (the only reason why Brazdeikis is "naturalized"). Buzelis chose LTU instead of USA. So all emigrant studs in Brazdeikis, Buzelis, Indrusaitis will be able to play in one LTU team.
 
Straight forward said:
OK, it's time to say this very clearly as you are second guy on this forum who got confused with Evans news. It was April Fool's Day joke that Evans joining NT. Zalgiris made this joke and published it exactly on April 1 :) Shit's ain't real.

Absolutely. If USA will naturalize non-American player, it will be the biggest travesty...Even worse than random dude Brown playing for Spain...
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Ahhh, OK... It just an April fools joke.... But i think Lithuanian federation will think that scenario too (maybe in the future)... Lithuania needs striker that who can score especially if Sabonis will be trapped by the defense of other teams... All four semifinalist of last Eurobasket have very good guard (a Combo guard) that can create for his teammates, aside that they can score too if they needed (Talking about Slaughter/Poland, Schroder/Germany, Brown/Spain and Huertel/De Colo France)....Chances of Lithuania to get back on track as basketball powerhouse will be higher if they will tap Evans... Although i know most of Lithuanians doesn't like that move, But who knows?
 
Straight forward said:
FOA, Frank Lubin, is Pranas Lubinas. Both of his parents are pure Lithuanians. Just as in case of Brazdeikis, Buzelis and Indrusaitis (all will play for NT, IMO). In other words, Lubinas was the guy who born from 2 pure Lithuanians, just not in Lithuania, but abroad.

The same with Iggy Brazdeikis. He naturalized only because he played for Canada U16 and U17. But his general dream was always to play for Lithuania. Both of his parents are pure Liths and they as family used to watch LTU NT games in the states. So, how can you compare such cases when Lithuanian emigrants are playing for their national team with cases when random Americans represent random countries? It's has no connection literally. Even if there was no naturalization rule, Iggy would have chances to represent Lithuania. Our federation was saying that there were few ways to sort this out as he is obviously Lithuanian.

Buzelis and Indrusaitis won't need anything to represent Lithuania, no naturalization needed. They are Lithuanians with passports and never represented other countries (the only reason why Brazdeikis is "naturalized"). Buzelis chose LTU instead of USA. So all emigrant studs in Brazdeikis, Buzelis, Indrusaitis will be able to play in one LTU team.
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Yeah... That is different, I would like to have naturalized players who atleast have slightly connection to the country (In case of Dorsey of Greece or Clarkson of Philippines and JTA of Mexico) rather than getting random American player who will be naturalized via back door... Those guys are only mercenaries.. they don't even know where those countries that they played for, Just like Mike Tobey of Slovenia... But FIBA knows why they applied this, To give smaller countries a chance to be competitive atleast.... Just in case of North Macedonia before with Bob McCaleeb and Slaughter of Poland...
 
Giannis34GOD said:
Ahhh, OK... It just an April fools joke.... But i think Lithuanian federation will think that scenario too (maybe in the future)... Lithuania needs striker that who can score especially if Sabonis will be trapped by the defense of other teams... All four semifinalist of last Eurobasket have very good guard (a Combo guard) that can create for his teammates, aside that they can score too if they needed (Talking about Slaughter/Poland, Schroder/Germany, Brown/Spain and Huertel/De Colo France)....Chances of Lithuania to get back on track as basketball powerhouse will be higher if they will tap Evans... Although i know most of Lithuanians doesn't like that move, But who knows?
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ATM it's impossible. After 10 years, who knows. But knowing how deep bball traditions in the country, it's highly unlikely. We have a good boost of Lithuanian emigrants coming (specially Buzelis off course if he pans out as expected). And even good wave of local Lithuanian prospects. Weaker perimeter is temporary problem, I will dear to claim.
 
Straight forward said:
ATM it's impossible. After 10 years, who knows. But knowing how deep bball traditions in the country, it's highly unlikely. We have a good boost of Lithuanian emigrants coming (specially Buzelis off course if he pans out as expected). And even good wave of local Lithuanian prospects. Weaker perimeter is temporary problem, I will dear to claim.
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Also we all know Sabonis will not always available for Lithuania, especially he has a good season in the NBA today... He will likely ask for multi million contract to secure his future career... Just like the big 3 of European basketball (Jokic, Giannis and Luka), He will have a hard time focusing two teams in a same time... And we all know NBA teams are notorious to deny most of international players to participate for their national teams to protect their interest for their ballclubs... Lithuania should have plan B in case Sabonis will be not available in future international competitions...
 
Actually, I will accept this move of China to hire naturalized a guy that atleast have atleast 1/8 Chinese blood than nothing... CBA and Yao in talks already and Kyle Anderson of Minnesota will likely accept this naturalization spot for China... Getting players that has no blood at all to his country that played for is dumbest move, especially if they have a basketball tradition back then.. Actually i don't like also Joel Embiid's move to transfer nationality to either France or USA... Those countries doesn't need Embiid, especially both have deep talents... Why Embiid doesn't like to play to his home country Cameroon?


News about Kyle Anderson / China naturalized move....

https://www.sohu.com/a/664437530_12...16.1680964705085iMk5t1n&_f=index_pagerecom_19
 
Giannis34GOD said:
Also we all know Sabonis will not always available for Lithuania, especially he has a good season in the NBA today... He will likely ask for multi million contract to secure his future career... Just like the big 3 of European basketball (Jokic, Giannis and Luka), He will have a hard time focusing two teams in a same time... And we all know NBA teams are notorious to deny most of international players to participate for their national teams to protect their interest for their ballclubs... Lithuania should have plan B in case Sabonis will be not available in future international competitions...
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I think Sabonis is a bit patriot of NT. He's like Luka, Dirk and such. Giannis and Jokic don't have such dedication to NT. So I don't see this changing unless some serious injuries. Actually he currently playing with broken finger, but even with that he's planning to represent Lithuania. I kinda expect him being completely loyal. Besides, we have "baby Sabonis" in Tubelis as some call him. In few years Tubelis will be legitimate piece at 5.

Giannis34GOD said:
Actually, I will accept this move of China to hire naturalized a guy that atleast have atleast 1/8 Chinese blood than nothing... CBA and Yao in talks already and Kyle Anderson of Minnesota will likely accept this naturalization spot for China... Getting players that has no blood at all to his country that played for is dumbest move, especially if they have a basketball tradition back then.. Actually i don't like also Joel Embiid's move to transfer nationality to either France or USA... Those countries doesn't need Embiid, especially both have deep talents... Why Embiid doesn't like to play to his home country Cameroon?


News about Kyle Anderson / China naturalized move....

https://www.sohu.com/a/664437530_120723523?scm=1102.xchannel:1479:110036. 0.3.0~9010.68.0.0.0&spm=smpc.content-abroad.fd-d.16.1680964705085iMk5t1n&_f=index_pagerecom_19
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This.
 
Straight forward said:
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I think Sabonis is a bit patriot of NT. He's like Luka, Dirk and such. Giannis and Jokic don't have such dedication to NT. So I don't see this changing unless some serious injuries. Actually he currently playing with broken finger, but even with that he's planning to represent Lithuania. I kinda expect him being completely loyal. Besides, we have "baby Sabonis" in Tubelis as some call him. In few years Tubelis will be legitimate piece at 5.



This.
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Kyle Anderson has the same amount of Chinese blood as Austin Reaves and Nick Weiler-Babb have German blood. Just for completeness...
 
Ridirkulous said:
Kyle Anderson has the same amount of Chinese blood as Austin Reaves and Nick Weiler-Babb have German blood. Just for completeness...
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I mean, I have less problems with players who at least have some connection with country...Like Larkin for Turkey sucks, but it doesn't suck as badly and ridiculously as random Brown for Spain or Tobey for Slovenia.

BTW, speaking about Germany, Simas Lukosius is interesting case. His pops Lithuanian coach and mother is from Germany. He announced that he's going to choose Germany, but some fans and our federation still hope to change his mind. Now that is something new. Cause guys like Lubinas, Brazdeikis, Buzelis, Indrusaitis are 100% Lithuanians per blood, but Simas Lukosius is 50% Lithuanian and 50% German, but Lithuanians wanted him to represent NT.
 
Straight forward said:
I mean, I have less problems with players who at least have some connection with country...Like Larkin for Turkey sucks, but it doesn't suck as badly and ridiculously as random Brown for Spain or Tobey for Slovenia.

BTW, speaking about Germany, Simas Lukosius is interesting case. His pops Lithuanian coach and mother is from Germany. He announced that he's going to choose Germany, but some fans and our federation still hope to change his mind. Now that is something new. Cause guys like Lubinas, Brazdeikis, Buzelis, Indrusaitis are 100% Lithuanians per blood, but Simas Lukosius is 50% Lithuanian and 50% German, but Lithuanians wanted him to represent NT.
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I am well aware of Simas Lukosius. He played for Germany in the under 18 or 20 if I remember correctly already, so if he ever switches back to Lithuania he is going to be a naturalised. Does not seem at the moment he is on the right trajectory to earn the spot ahead of Brazdeikis.
 
Ridirkulous said:
I am well aware of Simas Lukosius. He played for Germany in the under 18 or 20 if I remember correctly already, so if he ever switches back to Lithuania he is going to be a naturalised. Does not seem at the moment he is on the right trajectory to earn the spot ahead of Brazdeikis.
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Nope, he only played for Bayern Munich U18 in ANGT. He didn't play in FIBA tournament. I think he planned to play for German U20 NT, but somehow he didn't. So I think he still has completely open path to choose either Germany or Lithuania. In media there was long interview with his father and most fans got an impression that this decision is more about his father and not Simas. His dad has some resentment towards Lithuanian bball federation. Simas had extremely promising second year in NCAA. I think he's gonna be very nice player.
 
Straight forward said:
Nope, he only played for Bayern Munich U18 in ANGT. He didn't play in FIBA tournament. I think he planned to play for German U20 NT, but somehow he didn't. So I think he still has completely open path to choose either Germany or Lithuania. In media there was long interview with his father and most fans got an impression that this decision is more about his father and not Simas. His dad has some resentment towards Lithuanian bball federation. Simas had extremely promising second year in NCAA. I think he's gonna be very nice player.
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https://twitter.com/CBB_Europe/status/1531535538800447488

Even if he did not play, he has been registered at FIBA level with Germany (proof: https://www.fiba.basketball/en/player/275263/Simonas-Lukosius). He is locked, sorry :P

(I therefore hope you are right and he becomes a good guard). After Paul Zipser's brain surgery and Kostja Mushidi's off court problems we are forced to naturalise guards to cover that spot adequately and it's a pity.

Speaking of Mushidi with a Lithuanian, I remember a heartbreaking under 18 semifinal in which he scored 33 but Arnas Velicka turned into MJ in the final 5 minutes and killed us.

https://www.fiba.basketball/europe/u18/2016/2112/Germany-Lithuania
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0r_T3dVQdM

Tadas Sedekerskis always seemed a bust to me, but I had high expectations from Arnoldas Kulboka after seeing him develop in Bamberg, what happened to that guy?
 
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