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Draw for the FIBA World Cup [Manila, Philippines, Apr 29]

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usagre said:
No the actual reason why this type of powerful roster will never be duplicated for a World Cup is because of how US players don’t value this tournament . That team was known as Dream Team 2 because the idea of NBA stars playing in FIBA tournaments was still fresh. So you actually got the absolute best B team that the USA had to offer. You never got that since or ever will again because of how this tournament is not held in high esteem by US players. So basically what you’re saying is completely wrong and has nothing to do with why such a powerful roster will never be duplicated for this secondary level tournament.
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Even they will value they will not play… most of American players didn’t bother to play for Olympics either… did Zion, morant, young, ball already played in any fiba/Olympic competitions before? You know the answer.. American culture on representing the country as whole is a mess right now… before even your g league team can actually win a gold in Olympics… but that is thing of the past right now…. Accept the reality that internationals are now taking over basketball today.. even The late great Kobe Bryant knows that… Americans only value money, fame, popularity, tweeting on social medias such as Twitter or IG than focus just on basketball….
 
Giannis34GOD said:
Even they will value they will not play… most of American players didn’t bother to play for Olympics either… did Zion, morant, young, ball already played in any fiba/Olympic competitions before? You know the answer.. American culture on representing the country as whole is a mess right now… before even your g league team can actually win a gold in Olympics… but that is thing of the past right now…. Accept the reality that internationals are now taking over basketball today.. even The late great Kobe Bryant knows that… Americans only value money, fame, popularity, tweeting on social medias such as Twitter or IG than focus just on basketball….
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Where do you come up with this stuff ? Do you just type away without even thinking ? How can you make a statement like the Olympics aren’t valued by these players when in the last one 3 members literally got on a plane immediately after an NBA finals game to fly to the opening game of the Olympics ?
Are you for real ?

You throw out names again without any thought process involved. Ja Morant was still in college for ‘19 and not good enough to make ‘21 teams.
Zion was still in college for ‘19 and it’s unclear why he wasn’t selected in ‘21. Trae Young was not desired by Popovich. It’s clear he wanted to play but was not selected. In fact he actually wants to play in this tournament but hasn’t been selected by Kerr yet so you are completely lost as usual. Ball was not worthy in ‘21 coming off his rookie season and I think in ‘19 he was still in diapers.

Internationals will take over basketball when they are the majority of players in the NBA. Currently it’s not even close, at most maybe 25% and a good deal of those are Canadians which are like our basketball cousins. They are absolutely on a dramatic rise.And internationals will also take over basketball when European nations don’t have to naturalize Americans to fill out key starting positions on their rosters. Helllo Lorenzo Brown. And finally they will take over basketball when the best league in Europe isn’t filled with American rejects who couldn’t make it in the NBA. Try thinking before making dumb comments for a change.
 
Usa sended 4 players from top 15 to 2021 olympic + elite defenders ale Adebayo,Green,Holiday and had struggle winning gold,even lost olympic game

Fba cheat code Durant that save Usa in so manny diffrent times in critical moments when game is making turn one or other way


Right now im taking field to win gold over those 2023 usa players Usa are sending.



Taking over is wrong discription what is happening in basketball. I would say gap is smaller than it ever was.

If Usa wont take tournament seriuosly they will lose more games in 2020s decade. Not just those 3 games in 2019 and 1 game in 2021
 
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Shawshank said:
Usa sended 4 players from top 15 to 2021 olympic + elite defenders ale Adebayo,Green,Holiday and had struggle winning gold,even lost olympic game

Fba cheat code Durant that save Usa in so manny diffrent times in critical moments when game is making turn one or other way


Right now im taking field to win gold over those 2023 usa players Usa are sending.



Taking over is wrong discription what is happening in basketball. I would say gap is smaller than it ever was.

If Usa wont take tournament seriuosly they will lose more games in 2020s decade. Not just those 3 games in 2019 and 1 game in 2021
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You’re reading too much into the 2021 Olympics. It was a once in a lifetime unique scenario with players literally joining the team with 0 days of practice. Booker and Holiday being two of those were 2 of their top 5 guys.That’s a very big deal. And that being said they still won the whole thing with one prelim loss which was the first game these guys played together.

Yes Durant was the best player by far but you make it seem like he’s out there by himself doing everything.
For example in the Final vs France he scored 26 of the US first 56 points but for the critical last 15 minutes of the game including the entire 4th quarter he scored 3 points on three free throws So 28/31 of the last important points were scored by others. It’s not like 2010 when the team needed him to score every big basket.

As for the World Cup this is about as serious as the US will ever take it. Some years they’ll win and others they won’t. Probably at a 50% clip. But when it comes to the Olympics which they will always prioritize I mean they’ve won 4 in a row and 7/8 that they’ve participated.
I mean you can’t do much better than that and I see no reason that will change.

Actually it’s pretty incredible how dominant USA basketball has been considering these are one and done knockout scenarios in short 40 minute games where hot 3 point shooting can determine the outcome. If they played series formats instead the US would never lose. NEVER. And this fact kind of illustrates how idiotic the statement that international basketball is taking over really is.
 
usagre said:
Where do you come up with this stuff ? Do you just type away without even thinking ? How can you make a statement like the Olympics aren’t valued by these players when in the last one 3 members literally got on a plane immediately after an NBA finals game to fly to the opening game of the Olympics ?
Are you for real ?

You throw out names again without any thought process involved. Ja Morant was still in college for ‘19 and not good enough to make ‘21 teams.
Zion was still in college for ‘19 and it’s unclear why he wasn’t selected in ‘21. Trae Young was not desired by Popovich. It’s clear he wanted to play but was not selected. In fact he actually wants to play in this tournament but hasn’t been selected by Kerr yet so you are completely lost as usual. Ball was not worthy in ‘21 coming off his rookie season and I think in ‘19 he was still in diapers.

Internationals will take over basketball when they are the majority of players in the NBA. Currently it’s not even close, at most maybe 25% and a good deal of those are Canadians which are like our basketball cousins. They are absolutely on a dramatic rise.And internationals will also take over basketball when European nations don’t have to naturalize Americans to fill out key starting positions on their rosters. Helllo Lorenzo Brown. And finally they will take over basketball when the best league in Europe isn’t filled with American rejects who couldn’t make it in the NBA. Try thinking before making dumb comments for a change.
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If they value then the likes of Zion, Young, Ball, Morant play last 2021 Olympics... They are better options than who was there last Olympics... Did you hear them saying "I WANT TO BE PART OF OLYMPIC TEAM"? I didn't saw them saying or having interest atleast....

By the way Morant is already his 2nd year in 2021, same with Zion... LBJ, Wade, Melo already played Olympics on their 2nd year, Davis already played even on his rookie season in 2012... But how about those new generation studs that they more focus on their IG stories or hanging out with girls or bad influence friends? You can't deny that new Gen American players are not motivated than the previous generation of stars such as LBJ, KD or Melo... Or even Chet that he was even injured in a pick up game that is a meaningless games... I would rather play in FIBA sanction games to prepare myself into new NBA season than on a any Pro - Am pick up games that has no defense at all... That's why NBA become soft these days.... I love NBA by the way... but i'm disappointed on some players who didn't respect the game today... Too much load management, Too much drama and Too much controversies... Look at Jokic, He's just only play basketball, No drama and good role model for young fans who wants to be like him in the future...
 
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Giannis34GOD said:
If they value then the likes of Zion, Young, Ball, Morant play last 2021 Olympics... They are better options than who was there last Olympics... Did you hear them saying "I WANT TO BE PART OF OLYMPIC TEAM"? I didn't saw them saying or having interest atleast....

By the way Morant is already his 2nd year in 2021, same with Zion... LBJ, Wade, Melo already played Olympics on their 2nd year, Davis already played even on his rookie season in 2012... .
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You are even more lost than I thought. 2021 Ja Morant was a better option in the summer of ‘21 over Damian Lillard and Jrue Holiday ? He would have never played in front of them back then. The fact that you don’t know or understand that tells me a lot about your basketball knowledge. Trae Young which you keep bringing up wouldn’t have played over those two either but like I’ve told you numerous times he openly campaigned to play but Popovich did not want him. Lamelo Ball after his rookie year ? That shows you are completely ignorant.
Zion is the only one that would have cracked that teams rotation 9 players. And we’ve seen that he’s never healthy so I completely throw him out.

Lebron James, Carmelo Anthony and Dwayne Wade in 2004 were not key players on that team at all. Wade was the most instrumental and he was not viewed as a future superstar at all at that time. He was even played out of position as the backup point guard for that team.
Anthony Davis ? He hadn’t even played a game in the NBA yet. Lol. He was the 12th man on the team who almost never played.

Why do I get the feeling that you’re just looking up names and past tournaments and that you just started following basketball a few years. Maybe just when Giannis started playing ? It’s getting very tiresome endlessly setting you straight. Show me something or you are just wasting mine and everyone else’s time here.
 
With still a little over a month to go before training camp begins I would definitely not take it the bank that some of the committed players don’t back out of participating. It’s definitely not cemented. The main reason being free agency and possible trade scenarios can change everything on how they plan to spend their off seasons.
 
We all know that if the USA ever took FIBA really serious they would keep a core group of players together for more than one summer. But they don't need to (yet).

What kind of handicapp does the USA place on themselves every WC and Olympics but pulling together a team of fresh faces that have never played together before, many who have never played FIBA before and asking them to take on completely different roles than they are used to? They have very little time together and as we saw in the last Olympics sometimes zero time together - yet they stil win most major tournements.

The USA could likely win the WC or Olympics with a roster full of non-NBA players. All it would take would for them to have the right mix in the right roles and enough time together to form good chemistry.
 
mojo13 said:
We all know that if the USA ever took FIBA really serious they would keep a core group of players together for more than one summer. But they don't need to (yet).

What kind of handicapp does the USA place on themselves every WC and Olympics but pulling together a team of fresh faces that have never played together before, many who have never played FIBA before and asking them to take on completely different roles than they are used to? They have very little time together and as we saw in the last Olympics sometimes zero time together - yet they stil win most major tournements.

The USA could likely win the WC or Olympics with a roster full of non-NBA players. All it would take would for them to have the right mix in the right roles and enough time together to form good chemistry.
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The only way the USA develops a core is if they have a string of failures, like they had in 2002 and 2004. This forced Jerry Colangelo and Coach K to develop a core of LeBron, Melo, DWade and CP3.

I still don’t think there’s another national team out there today who is as good as the 2006-2012 Spanish and Argentina teams were. So I highly doubt USA is forced to develop a core anytime soon.
 
DenverJokic said:
I still don’t think there’s another national team out there today who is as good as the 2006-2012 Spanish and Argentina teams were. So I highly doubt USA is forced to develop a core anytime soon.
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That’s such a great point. The quality of the top end international talent is way better now with Giannis, Jokic and Luka but the teams are not. Those three mentioned don’t have running mates even close to what they need to be comparable to the Spanish and Argentinian teams you mentioned. Bogdanovic is the closest number two but he’s an average NBA level player who is better at FIBA but still not good enough.
 
mojo13 said:
We all know that if the USA ever took FIBA really serious they would keep a core group of players together for more than one summer. But they don't need to (yet).

What kind of handicapp does the USA place on themselves every WC and Olympics but pulling together a team of fresh faces that have never played together before, many who have never played FIBA before and asking them to take on completely different roles than they are used to? They have very little time together and as we saw in the last Olympics sometimes zero time together - yet they stil win most major tournements.

The USA could likely win the WC or Olympics with a roster full of non-NBA players. All it would take would for them to have the right mix in the right roles and enough time together to form good chemistry.
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That doesn't seem likely. There is also good talent outside of USA and I think it's disrespectful to think that a USA team led by non NBA players would win against Spain, France, Greece, Serbia, Argentina, Canada, Slovenia, Italy, Germany, Lithuania led by their star players (some of them happen to be very best NBA players). USA went that road few times and they got burnt. They even lost with NBA players on their soil in 2002. More than once. And that is especially not possible at Olympics.

It's a no-brainier that USA are favorites with their NBA players, even if they don't come with their A team. However, the best player on the floor in a potential matchup between USA and one of Serbia, Greece or Slovenia won't be American NBA player (I don't know if that ever happened before), and I wonder how much weight could that add to make things a bit spicier. Aside from that, the talent of the best American NBA players is not at the level of some previous generations led by Brayant, Lebron, Wade, Duncan, Garnett...Not even going as far as those brutal 92' and 96' USA teams. Sure, current core of A, B or C NBA level players might be enough for USA, but it's surely more interesting than in some previous times. Especially if USA don't take this seriously.​
 
Serbian_Layup said:
That doesn't seem likely. There is also good talent outside of USA and I think it's disrespectful to think that a USA team led by non NBA players would win against Spain, France, Greece, Serbia, Argentina, Canada, Slovenia, Italy, Germany, Lithuania led by their star players (some of them happen to be very best NBA players). USA went that road few times and they got burnt. They even lost with NBA players on their soil in 2002. More than once. And that is especially not possible at Olympics.

It's a no-brainier that USA are favorites with their NBA players, even if they don't come with their A team. However, the best player on the floor in a potential matchup between USA and one of Serbia, Greece or Slovenia won't be American NBA player (I don't know if that ever happened before), and I wonder how much weight could that add to make things a bit spicier. Aside from that, the talent of the best American NBA players is not at the level of some previous generations led by Brayant, Lebron, Wade, Duncan, Garnett...Not even going as far as those brutal 92' and 96' USA teams. Sure, current core of A, B or C NBA level players might be enough for USA, but it's surely more interesting than in some previous times. Especially if USA don't take this seriously.​
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Perhaps my comments was optimistic but certianly not disrespectful.
The last WC champion, Spain, was led by a back-up NBA PG (Rubio) an aged Marc Gasol a couple fringe NBA players (Hernangomez bros) along with their Euro vets. Still a great team, but they defeated Argentina a fully non-NBA team. You can't tell me a fully non-NBA USA team couldn't be so much better than that Argentina team.

Think of the countless non-NBA players the USA could build a team from. They could field an All-EuroLeague type team that would have no issues with lack of FIBA experience and if they played together for a couple years to build chemistry, culture and a system I think they could rival the Euopean powers.
 
mojo13 said:
Perhaps my comments was optimistic but certianly not disrespectful.
The last WC champion, Spain, was led by a back-up NBA PG (Rubio) an aged Marc Gasol a couple fringe NBA players (Hernangomez bros) along with their Euro vets. Still a great team, but they defeated Argentina a fully non-NBA team. You can't tell me a fully non-NBA USA team couldn't be so much better than that Argentina team.

Think of the countless non-NBA players the USA could build a team from. They could field an All-EuroLeague type team that would have no issues with lack of FIBA experience and if they played together for a couple years to build chemistry, culture and a system I think they could rival the Euopean powers.
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Basketball game is always a team sport... Teams who are together since their youth days are always have an advantage against teams who are very talented but no chemistry not so ever... In a team, you need talented players, No doubt about that, But having together for a long time is better and playing beautiful music in each other...

Another thing, Spain has the best FIBA coach for the longest time with Sergio Scarliolo, One of my favorite coach ever... He is the reason why Spain still a powerhouse in basketball even the retirement of Gasol bros plus couple of NBAers before... He makes the team better...
 
Too many key players missing for LTU but the initial group is so weak they will probably won't face any challenge.
 
I would not underestimate Mexico and Montenegro wont be that easy either.
 
usagre said:
You are even more lost than I thought. 2021 Ja Morant was a better option in the summer of ‘21 over Damian Lillard and Jrue Holiday ? He would have never played in front of them back then. The fact that you don’t know or understand that tells me a lot about your basketball knowledge. Trae Young which you keep bringing up wouldn’t have played over those two either but like I’ve told you numerous times he openly campaigned to play but Popovich did not want him. Lamelo Ball after his rookie year ? That shows you are completely ignorant.
Zion is the only one that would have cracked that teams rotation 9 players. And we’ve seen that he’s never healthy so I completely throw him out.

Lebron James, Carmelo Anthony and Dwayne Wade in 2004 were not key players on that team at all. Wade was the most instrumental and he was not viewed as a future superstar at all at that time. He was even played out of position as the backup point guard for that team.
Anthony Davis ? He hadn’t even played a game in the NBA yet. Lol. He was the 12th man on the team who almost never played.

Why do I get the feeling that you’re just looking up names and past tournaments and that you just started following basketball a few years. Maybe just when Giannis started playing ? It’s getting very tiresome endlessly setting you straight. Show me something or you are just wasting mine and everyone else’s time here.
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Jrue is good as complimentary player... But Ja already Memphis' franchise player since he was drafted, McGee? How in a world he was there? But anyway, I agree USA is always disrespect FIBA competitions.. And i get it because USA players are very good and they have larger pool of talents, They can win even they parade a team who doesn't have an all star, Or even G-League players... But remember, The ball is round, Anything can happen... Everyone is entitled in their opinion and i respect it as always....
 
R1ou said:
Too many key players missing for LTU but the initial group is so weak they will probably won't face any challenge.
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I feel like no Sabonis might make Lithuania better. The Sabonis-Valanciunas front court was always clunky and thought LTU played better with one on the bench. Will definitely help clarify roles and the rotation. They should still win Group D and I still like their chances against Greece or whoever finishes 2nd from Group C.
 
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