Draw for the FIBA World Cup [Manila, Philippines, Apr 29]

[DenverJokic2]

I agree that players see the the Olympics as the more important tournament than the World Cup. I find the World cup to be the better tournament between the two, with more quality teams and being the harder tournament to win. I really don’t like the Olympics 12 team, 3 groups format. With only 6 games played now, it’s really kind of boring.

I’ve heard reports of how the IOC doesn’t like how the NBA players are the most popular athletes at every Olympics. IOC wants the attention on lesser known athletes. I wouldn’t be surprised if basketball at the Olympics ends up like soccer/football and they put an age limit on the competition.

 

[usagre2]

I agree that players see the the Olympics as the more important tournament than the World Cup. I find the World cup to be the better tournament between the two, with more quality teams and being the harder tournament to win. I really don’t like the Olympics 12 team, 3 groups format. With only 6 games played now, it’s really kind of boring.

I’ve heard reports of how the IOC doesn’t like how the NBA players are the most popular athletes at every Olympics. IOC wants the attention on lesser known athletes. I wouldn’t be surprised if basketball at the Olympics ends up like soccer/football and they put an age limit on the competition.

Yeah for me it’s the opposite. When half the teams that make up a basketball competition are from Asia and Africa that’s not quality for me. And that’s what I find extremely boring. There were endless matchups between teams like this that are boring and torturous to watch. I love the 12 team format but I did prefer the 8 games to 6.

The only problem with basketball at the Olympics turning into an age limit football style is that FIBA will never see the best American players ever compete internationally again. FIBA would be going backwards in that regard. Don’t make the mistake in thinking that since no alternative competition existed that the top stars would now all of a sudden compete in the World Cup. Extremely unlikely. The Olympic Gold medal has history and was always valued by Americans even when it was only for amateur collegiate. Even then players wanted it as part of their career resume. The Worlds has no history or importance and it’s extremely difficult to manufacture that. People in the United States don’t know what that tournament is or care and I don’tt think that will change much no matter what.

 

[usagre2]

Seems like USA is trying to land Bam Adebayo for the World Cup. That would be great get considering other than Anthony Davis the US would have their next two best centers on the team when you include Jackson Jr. I would be pleasantly surprised if Adebayo was to accept considering he was the starting center of our Olympic championship team from two years ago and a U.S. starter from the Olympics has never played in the following Worlds. It’s an obvious step down. Hopefully coach Spoelstra who is an assistant can convince him.

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

Seems like USA is trying to land Bam Adebayo for the World Cup. That would be great get considering other than Anthony Davis the US would have their next two best centers on the team when you include Jackson Jr. I would be pleasantly surprised if Adebayo was to accept considering he was the starting center of our Olympic championship team from two years ago and a U.S. starter from the Olympics has never played in the following Worlds. It’s an obvious step down. Hopefully coach Spoelstra who is an assistant can convince him.

Unfortunately, they only land Walker Kessler of Utah as back up big man for team USA....

https://www.deseret.com/2023/6/14/2...ah-jazz?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

Yeah for me it’s the opposite. When half the teams that make up a basketball competition are from Asia and Africa that’s not quality for me. And that’s what I find extremely boring. There were endless matchups between teams like this that are boring and torturous to watch. I love the 12 team format but I did prefer the 8 games to 6.

The only problem with basketball at the Olympics turning into an age limit football style is that FIBA will never see the best American players ever compete internationally again. FIBA would be going backwards in that regard. Don’t make the mistake in thinking that since no alternative competition existed that the top stars would now all of a sudden compete in the World Cup. Extremely unlikely. The Olympic Gold medal has history and was always valued by Americans even when it was only for amateur collegiate. Even then players wanted it as part of their career resume. The Worlds has no history or importance and it’s extremely difficult to manufacture that. People in the United States don’t know what that tournament is or care and I don’tt think that will change much no matter what.

Africa and Asia combined have only 11 teams (including the host)... So we still have 21 teams who will compete to the highest level... But don't underestimate African and Asian teams... Nigeria beat USA (OK, It's exhibition game) by the way... So it means, African teams can compete already... Asians by the way will come up there too... teams like Japan, Philippines and China will bring atleast 1 NBA talent to compete against the rest of the world... And who is the best American players today? LBJ, Steph and KD are nearly to their retirement age... The new generation Americans are not too good enough or bothered by controversies... The best players today are international and most of them are loyal to their national teams, whether it's FIBA or Olympics...So the days of American domination of basketball are already in the twilight already... Look at your supposed next best American players likes of Ja Morant, Zion Williamson, Trae Young, etc.... They are all failed to live up to the expectations.. from supposed future superstars to next batch who will go to China and say "Ni Hao".... Kobe Bryant is right... AAU system is f*c*d....

 

[usagre2]

You’re all over the map my man.
We have 21 teams that will compete to the highest level ? Cut it out there’s a lot of bad teams here. Places like Africa and Asia do not go this deep when it comes to team quality 2 or three teams max, everything else is very bad quality. Yeah I’ve been waiting for Asian teams to compete for years so forgive me your assurance that will happen isn’t that convincing to me. Those are just predictions based on nothing.

It would be nice to see the US actually not win Gold at an Olympics before you spout all your silliness about the decline of US basketball. You sound really ignorant and foolish. There’s a reason Giannis, Jokic and Luka haven’t won a world event yet. Mainly because the gap between their greatness and the rest that their nations produce is gigantic. So unless there’s a team Europe the continent has a long way to go in the production of great players to consistently beat the USA in events like the Olympics where the US actually cares as evident by the rosters they send. Canada is the only true nation making great strides in the quantity and quality of top level players. They are actually on that sort of path and all evidence judging by the young talent in the pipelines is that it will only continue.

Bottom line is talk tough when the US is finally defeated in the Olympics other than that it’s all meaningless babbling. Incidentally I find it funny that even with B level teams the US still managed to win 2/3 of the last Worlds as well. That’s a huge indictment against the rest of the world. Can you imagine a Brazil or Argentina winning the FIFA World Cup with their B teams ? That would be somewhat humiliating no ?

 

[usagre2]

Unfortunately, they only land Walker Kessler of Utah as back up big man for team USA....

https://www.deseret.com/2023/6/14/2...ah-jazz?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Yeah like I said I would have been surprised had Adebayo taken the step down from Olympic Gold medalist starter to chase an inferior Worlds gold medal.
Theres a track record that says it never happens. So I saw that one coming. Unfortunately Kessler is also a step down from Mobley and Jarrett Allen as well I would presume they all declined and figured they had better things to this summer than compete in this event. Jaren Jackson Jr. is a stud at center but Portis and Kessler as backup bigs is weak. I actually am disappointed a thug like Portis actually gets to wear the uniform. He’s a dirty type player and basically fracturing a teammates face in practice with your fists is disgusting and unforgivable to me.

 

[Shawshank2]

This 2023 Usa nba players roster looks like 2nd worst ever

Only 2019 roster looked worse


Jalen Brunson would be main candidate to be best usa player

Because he has experience in youth fiba and his skillsets fits nicely with fiba playing style

 

[usagre2]

This 2023 Usa nba players roster looks like 2nd worst ever

Only 2019 roster looked worse

And with that being said they were up 5 on France with 5 minutes to go in the quarterfinal. Mind boggling decisions by Popovich like going small and playing Harrison Barnes at center against Rudy Gobert and sitting a very hot Donovan Mitchell to start the 4th in essence heat checking him by sitting him and killing his rhythm as well as Frank Ntilikina playing out of his mind ina very fluky scenario led to the loss. They don’t make these mistakes and then it’s against an inferior overachieving Argentina in the semis and potentially a Spanish team that we own in the Final. So considering how that team is ridiculed and rightly so things still could easily been very different.

 

[usagre2]

This 2023 Usa nba players roster looks like 2nd worst ever

It’s funny because we do this before every US worlds roster including 2010 and 2014. And then years later a lot of people here rewrite history and proclaim those teams as monsters. If the players that are being reported actually compete, 22 year old Anthony Edwards and 23 year old Jaren Jackson Jr. are trending into superstars, 23 year old Tyrese Halliburton is trending to be special as well. Meanwhile mid 20’s Ingram, Brunson, and Bridges are entering their prime and look like really good players, So to me if those 6 are there as your core rotation players the US will be just fine.

i also love assistant coaches Spoelstra and Ty Lue as part of the brain trust. Those two are probably the best two coaches in the current NBA.

 

[usagre2]

Austin Reaves and Cam Johnson will receive enormous contract deals this summer thanks to the breakout potential they showed in this second half of the season and playoffs. Both the Lakers and Nets will undoubtedly match any offers. By all indications those two are about to pop come next NBA season and they should be excellent as bench 7-9 man rotation players on this US team.

The US has plenty of shooting but I would have liked better backup bigs than Kessler and Portis. Thankfully Jackson Jr. will be a beast on both ends of 5he court.

 

[mojo132]

Clearly this USA team is is the most talented in the World Cup by a mile. There is easily enough here on paper for the USA to win gold in a cake walk. I can't help you if you see that otherwise.

So now it comes down to coaching, experience, chemistry and everything else that makes a team win. Can coach Steve Kerr find the right roles, get this guys bought in and build a team in such short order? Probably better than the last coach. Pops was clearly a handicap on the last World Cup team that also had the most talent in the tournament by a mile (and was clearly good enugh to win).

Always fun to watch with the USA. Vunerable for sure (especially in a single game), but could just as easily smoke everyone by 20+ points on an easy path to gold (keep in mind they do have a super easy path on the weak side of the draw).

 

[Steadysoul2]

It’s funny because we do this before every US worlds roster including 2010 and 2014. And then years later a lot of people here rewrite history and proclaim those teams as monsters. If the players that are being reported actually compete, 22 year old Anthony Edwards and 23 year old Jaren Jackson Jr. are trending into superstars, 23 year old Tyrese Halliburton is trending to be special as well. Meanwhile mid 20’s Ingram, Brunson, and Bridges are entering their prime and look like really good players, So to me if those 6 are there as your core rotation players the US will be just fine.

i also love assistant coaches Spoelstra and Ty Lue as part of the brain trust. Those two are probably the best two coaches in the current NBA.

Not that we agree on much but yes it is weird seeing people downplay a group that includes several guys on the rise, including the reigning Defensive Player of the Year. I don't even mind the addition of Kessler because defensively, he's going to eat. Highkey, Edwards might be the only member of this group who is me first. But also at somepoint people will need to realize that 2012 was over a decade ago. We're closer to 2028 than we are to 2008. There are maybe 3-5 guys total from 08-16 still in the NBA that you would even want on the team at this point. Curry is probably the best of that bunch.

 

[Ridirkulous2]

Kessler without defensive three seconds will be huge.

 

[Shawshank2]

2010 and 2014 i get it they had future multiple mvps, future superstars on those rosters when we look with todays eyes


2019 4 years have passed and still think that was by far weakest usa nba players roster ever.

 

[usagre2]

2019 4 years have passed and still think that was by far weakest usa nba players roster ever.

I definitely agree especially with Tatum who was one of their better players injured and unavailable for most of the tournament.

These were the 8 guys who played the 4th quarter of the quarterfinal loss vs. France.

Kemba Walker/ Marcus Smart
Donovan Mitchell / Derrick White
Khris Middleton/Joe Harris
Jaylen Brown
Harrison Barnes

Yikes.

That being said the 2002 team was pretty weak as well.
Andre Miller/ Baron Davis
Michael Finley / Reggie Miller
Paul Pierce
Antonio Davis
Jermaine O’Neal / Ben Wallace

against Serbia in quarterfinal was relatively weak as well.

 

[usagre2]

Hard to envision there ever being a stronger team than the 1994 Worlds team. That team was constructed perfectly and had everything.

An unbelievable quartet of bigs (Shaq, Mourning, Kemp and Coleman)

Great 3 point shooting (Reggie, Price, Majerle and Dumars)

Great point guard in Kevin Johnson, wing in Dominique Wilkins and all around forward in Larry Johnson.

Incredible team.

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

I definitely agree especially with Tatum who was one of their better players injured and unavailable for most of the tournament.

These were the 8 guys who played the 4th quarter of the quarterfinal loss vs. France.

Kemba Walker/ Marcus Smart
Donovan Mitchell / Derrick White
Khris Middleton/Joe Harris
Jaylen Brown
Harrison Barnes

Yikes.

That being said the 2002 team was pretty weak as well.
Andre Miller/ Baron Davis
Michael Finley / Reggie Miller
Paul Pierce
Antonio Davis
Jermaine O’Neal / Ben Wallace

against Serbia in quarterfinal was relatively weak as well.

Actually, The 2023 USA roster is already the best that USA can offer with their young talents they have today... I'm sure we would love Zion, Morant, Ball and Young in the line up... But all of them have personal problems they facing and they would rather to focus on their mental sides for now.... Haliburton, Jackson Jr. and Edwards are best young USA talents outside the trio under 23 years old today while Brunson is now reaching All star status (I expect him to be an all star next year) and it's not bad....

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

Hard to envision there ever being a stronger team than the 1994 Worlds team. That team was constructed perfectly and had everything.

An unbelievable quartet of bigs (Shaq, Mourning, Kemp and Coleman)

Great 3 point shooting (Reggie, Price, Majerle and Dumars)

Great point guard in Kevin Johnson, wing in Dominique Wilkins and all around forward in Larry Johnson.

Incredible team.

That's because of globalization of basketball... Internationals taking over the NBA and USA talents produced in this generation become less and less years go by....

 

[usagre2]

That's because of globalization of basketball... Internationals taking over the NBA and USA talents produced in this generation become less and less years go by....

No the actual reason why this type of powerful roster will never be duplicated for a World Cup is because of how US players don’t value this tournament . That team was known as Dream Team 2 because the idea of NBA stars playing in FIBA tournaments was still fresh. So you actually got the absolute best B team that the USA had to offer. You never got that since or ever will again because of how this tournament is not held in high esteem by US players. So basically what you’re saying is completely wrong and has nothing to do with why such a powerful roster will never be duplicated for this secondary level tournament.