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Draw for the FIBA World Cup [Manila, Philippines, Apr 29]

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Steadysoul said:
If he's not traded this off season I will honestly be shocked. It's very clear that Portland is in need of a rebuild and he very much doesn't want to be involved in one. I don't know who could trade for him at this point but I just don't perceive his contract situation being stable this summer. I don't know anyone who wants another year of the trailblazers wasting his time and theirs. They can't get better with him at this point.
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If he will be traded, I want him in Milwaukee, Giannis needs a teammate who will take over in the crunch time... If Bucks have like Lilliard in their series vs Heat, they will easily beat Miami, even Butler scores 50... They always lose in the 4th qtr and no one in Bucks line up can take over when game is on the line....
 
Steadysoul said:
Conley is cooked though. This is a guy who was waived this year. Jason Kidd was still really good in 2008. That comparison is off. That guy is Jrue Holiday who by all accounts was stellar in 2021. Why pick a guy who is worse with no FIBA experience?
You're thinking too small. There are a lot of guys who have never had the opportunity to play.
Caruso is fine but I'd rather have Herb Jones or Marcus Smart.
Maxey is fine but Poole has a habit of becoming a chucker at the worst possible moments. You could go with Anfernee Simmons, Anthony Edwards, Darius Garland, Ja Morant, or CJ McCollum.
Mikal is a great choice, but I'd also add in Brandon Ingram, Scottie Barnes, and Saddiq Bey.
Cam is fine but I doubt Jalen makes it. Rookies rarely get the chance. They usually end up on the select team. Collins and Jaren Jackson Jr are definitely getting calls first.
Mobley is a great choice but I find it weird that you didn't include Jarret Allen or Claxton. Wendell Carter too. Possibly Larry Nance.
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Conley was traded to Minnesota, wasn’t waived. Wanted a real good locker room guy at PG. I really like Holiday, but I think he’s more of an Olympics only player at this point in his career. Went with Caruso because he’s a really good at pressing ball handlers.

Thought about Anfernee Simons, but went with Poole because he’s a Kerr player. I think Anthony Edwards will hold out for the Olympics. Wasn’t sure about Garland. Ja was an obvious no to me because his personal life is a mess right now. CJ is a good option for that vet role.

Brandon Ingram to me is an hold out for the Olympics type of player. He’s the perfect PF that USA likes to use. Didn’t use Scottie Barnes because he has no jumpshot and you need floor spacers in FIBA.

I think Jarrett Allen is more of an olympics guy. Same with Jaren Jackson who is probably the best big man the US has. Was really close to including Nic Claxton, but he’s on the smaller side of being a center. Thought the US would bring bigger bodies for games against Greece and Lithuania.
 

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Green would be surely helpful. Edwards is nice, but still young, he would go up and down in FIBA. Generally I think USA again will have issues if they won't have few superstars.
 
Current betting odds to win the 2023 FIBA World Cup:
FanDuel
USA -180
FRA +1100
AUS +1100
ESP +1200
CAN +1300
SER +1600
SLO +1600
GRE +2700
GER +4200
ITA +5500

DraftKings
USA -180
SLO +800
GRE +900
SER +1000
AUS +1100
FRA +1100
SPA +1400
CAN +1600
GER +2700
ITA +3000

Interesting disparity between GRE & SLO between the two sites. I'm more in line with FanDuel - SLO and GRE seem way overranked with DraftKings.

the USA seems quite overranked (no suprise I suppose)

The slightly tougher odds for ESP, FRA & CAN on DraftKing seem to better reflect the tougher paths these teams face

Seem like the most favorable odds are going with GER (who seem quite underated) and/or going against the USA.​​
 
Some player news:

Ricky Rubio states he intends to play. that is a huge piece for Spain. 2019 WC MVP

Zach Edey decides to return to Purdue rather than stay in the NBA draft. That actually could be big for Canada as the NCAA Player of the Year is a massive, improving quickly and fills a major weakness for Canada (size up front). Him removing himself from the draft greatly increases his chance to play with Canada. I could see him in a rotational role for Canada maybe as the 3rd big minutes wise. Depends who esle shows up of course.

The Dominican Republic FIBA World Cup team gets a talent bump by securing the passport of Golden State Warriors' two-way player and the G-League's 2023 Most Impoved Player - Lester Qui
 
Not that verbal commitments meant much for Team USA in 2019, but Anthony Edwards, Tyrese Haliburton, Austin Reaves, Mikal Bridges, and Bobby Portis have committed to play for Team USA, league sources told The Athletic.
 
Young guns without FIBA experience always a chance for other teams to overcome USA. Interesting if they will bring some pieces to secure gold medal spot. Green gives certain balance, but just a solid role player.
 
Depth chart will be:

PG - Brunson
SG - Reaves , Haliburton
SF - Edwards , Bridge
PF - Ingram , Portis
C - JJJ

Still need another big man, another PG and veteran player for this roster
 
Team USA’s roster looks pretty impressive so far. They got commitments from players that I didn’t think they would, like Brandon Ingram and Jaren Jackson Jr.

PG - T. Haliburton - J. Brunson
SG - A. Edwards - A. Reeves
SF - M. Bridges
PF - B. Ingram
C - J. Jackson - B. Portis

Kerr probably adds one more center, I would guess a young player like Walker Kessler. I read Kerr reached out to Alex Caruso, a couple of months ago. He would fit the defensive role player USA has brought in the past. The last 2 spots will probably go to tall SFs who can play the small or power forward position. Cam Johnson and Kevin Huerter fit that.
 
DenverJokic said:
Team USA’s roster looks pretty impressive so far. They got commitments from players that I didn’t think they would, like Brandon Ingram and Jaren Jackson Jr.

PG - T. Haliburton - J. Brunson
SG - A. Edwards - A. Reeves
SF - M. Bridges
PF - B. Ingram
C - J. Jackson - B. Portis

Kerr probably adds one more center, I would guess a young player like Walker Kessler. I read Kerr reached out to Alex Caruso, a couple of months ago. He would fit the defensive role player USA has brought in the past. The last 2 spots will probably go to tall SFs who can play the small or power forward position. Cam Johnson and Kevin Huerter fit that.
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Recall in 2019, USA had what seemed like a nice list of committed players only to have over half of them drop out in the weeks after the announcement. It turned into a laughable joke with how many guys bailed. Is that still a risk here or is Kerr and Hill approaching this differently?
 
mojo13 said:
Recall in 2019, USA had what seemed like a nice list of committed players only to have over half of them drop out in the weeks after the announcement. It turned into a laughable joke with how many guys bailed. Is that still a risk here or is Kerr and Hill approaching this differently?
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I do think some guys will drop out due to injuries or some other reasons. I don’t think it will be as bad as it was in 2019. Kerr is more player friendly than Popovich. Pop brought in a Spurs player at the time in Derek White, which bothered DeAaron Fox and Trae Young. The USA being in Manilla for the whole World Cup is also probably more appealing. There were some weird traveling issues in 2019 that pushed some players away. I think the USA has more young talent around this time than they did in 2019.
 
DenverJokic said:
I do think some guys will drop out due to injuries or some other reasons. I don’t think it will be as bad as it was in 2019. Kerr is more player friendly than Popovich. Pop brought in a Spurs player at the time in Derek White, which bothered DeAaron Fox and Trae Young. The USA being in Manilla for the whole World Cup is also probably more appealing. There were some weird traveling issues in 2019 that pushed some players away. I think the USA has more young talent around this time than they did in 2019.
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They'll go from travelling issues in China to possibly walking 5 minutes from the hotel to the stadium (MoA). From that stadium to the other one (Araneta) through regular Manila traffic normally takes an hour, but expect buses that transport the staff and players to get some sort of VIP treatment and it'll be a 25-minute bus ride from anywhere for them.
 
I am glad to hear that Grant Hill and USA basketball is going away from the camp tryouts process and reverting back to the traditional outright selecting of the roster. I never liked and never made sense for me for these guys to be trying out for the team as if they were some unknown commodity. There’s absolutely nothing you can learn that you didn’t already know about a players skills and abilities when it comes to these guys. The only variable is conditioning but that’s what a camp and exhibition games are for. Therefore narrow it down on paper and pick the best candidates like it was originally done. Therefore if the reports are to be believed we have two thirds of the roster set and have only 4 remaining spots to go. I made a prediction a month ago about a realistic team composition and it looks like I was pretty spot on with 6 of my selections being part of the 8 so far including 4 of my potential starters. I think health will be the determining factor on whether guys who will eventually be announced decide to pull out as opposed to other reasons like in 2019. That being said looking back at 2019 a 20 man resort was announced around this time back then and from that roster 7 made the team, 4 were basically ruled out because of injury and two (Anthony Davis and James Harden) I never took seriously as possible participants. So 7 of the original 20 dropped out unexpectedly a few weeks before the start of camp. I don’t think this will be the case this time.
 
The benefit of having camp and then picking players if seeing what fits. They know what those guys can do. They don't know what they can do together. It's not like federations aren't doing scouting all year long but you can't scout fit until you see folks play together. Especially guys who will be asked to take roles they normally wouldn't have during the season. The move is to avoid bruising egos, it was never about practicality.
 
Honestly I always thought it was kind of disrespectful to the level of superstar player we are talking about here. Like I said we know what each players capabilities are inside and out. You have an entire camp and many exhibition games to mold your team and define roles and create cohesion. I always found it to be silly.
 
usagre said:
Honestly I always thought it was kind of disrespectful to the level of superstar player we are talking about here. Like I said we know what each players capabilities are inside and out. You have an entire camp and many exhibition games to mold your team and define roles and create cohesion. I always found it to be silly.
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like I said, it's an ego thing.
 
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