Draw for the FIBA World Cup [Manila, Philippines, Apr 29]

[Kings2]

Group A

Angola
Dominican Republic
Philippines
Itlay


Group B

South Sudan
Serbia
China
Puerto Rico


Group C

United States
Jordan
Greece
New Zealand


Group D

Egypt
Mexico
Montenegro
Lithuania


Group E

Germany
Finland
Australia​
Japan


Group F

Slovenia
Cape Verde​
Georgia​
Venezuela


Group G

Iran
Spain
Brazil
Cote d'Ivoire


Group H

Canada
Latvia
Lebanon
France

 

[mojo132]

Did you really delete the other WC Draw thread? There was 6 pages of info in there.
I put serious effort into laying out all the draw possiblites. Why?

 

[FilWelsh2]

Pot 1: Philippines, Spain, USA, Australia
Pot 2: France, Serbia, Slovenia, Lithuania
Pot 3: Greece, Italy, Germany, Brazil
Pot 4: Canada, Venezuela, Montenegro, Iran
Pot 5: Puerto Rico, Finland, Dominican Republic, New Zealand
Pot 6: China, Latvia, Mexico, Georgia
Pot 7: Jordan, Japan, Angola, Lebanon
Pot 8: Cote d'Ivoire, Egypt, South Sudan, Cape Verde


Group A:
Group B:
Group C:
Group D:
Group E:
Group F:
Group G:
Group H:

I fancy Philippines to be grouped with Venezuela, Georgia and South Sudan

 

[FilWelsh2]

US national team coach Steve Kerr has initiated talks with three players (Jaren Jackson, Desmond Bane and Alex Caruso) to be included in Final 12. Informal talks with Embiid has so far promising but no commitment yet from the big man. Kerr even offered captainship to him but Embiid is more incline to play in 2024 Olympics but US has now the edge in getting his nod.

I fancy Kerr will make a phone call to Jalen Green. The youngster is popular in Philippines and he will draw crowds to US games. Green also played with US youth teams in three tournaments in the past. So international basketball FIBA rules wise he will be comfortable.

So far those reportedly who begged off or declined for Manila trip are LeBron, KD, Steph, Westbrook, CP3, Harden, Kawhi, Dame, Klay, Kyrie, Dray, Butler, Ant Davis and PG. Zion still on long- term rehab so count him out. Morant will be undergoing extensive couselling this coming off- season. In short USNT director Grant Hill will have his fingers full in calling players. This iteration of US team I believe will not be star-studded as their previous teams.​

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

Did you really delete the other WC Draw thread? There was 6 pages of info in there.
I put serious effort into laying out all the draw possiblites. Why?

There is system error in this site... I don't know why....

Meanwhile Serbia gunner Bogdan Bogdanovic will play for Serbia this coming summer... Also Lauri Markannen also play for Finland....

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

US national team coach Steve Kerr has initiated talks with three players (Jaren Jackson, Desmond Bane and Alex Caruso) to be included in Final 12. Informal talks with Embiid has so far promising but no commitment yet from the big man. Kerr even offered captainship to him but Embiid is more incline to play in 2024 Olympics but US has now the edge in getting his nod.

I fancy Kerr will make a phone call to Jalen Green. The youngster is popular in Philippines and he will draw crowds to US games. Green also played with US youth teams in three tournaments in the past. So international basketball FIBA rules wise he will be comfortable.

So far those reportedly who begged off or declined for Manila trip are LeBron, KD, Steph, Westbrook, CP3, Harden, Kawhi, Dame, Klay, Kyrie, Dray, Butler, Ant Davis and PG. Zion still on long- term rehab so count him out. Morant will be undergoing extensive couselling this coming off- season. In short USNT director Grant Hill will have his fingers full in calling players. This iteration of US team I believe will not be star-studded as their previous teams.​

Meanwhile Serbian gunner Bogdan Bogdanovic announced his participation on this year's FIBA WC....


https://basketnews.com/news-187743-bogdan-bogdanovic-to-play-for-serbia-in-2023-fiba-world-cup.html

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

Meanwhile Serbian gunner Bogdan Bogdanovic announced his participation to play for Serbia this coming summer....

 

[Serbian_Layup2]

Meanwhile Serbian gunner Bogdan Bogdanovic announced his participation to play for Serbia this coming summer....

That was never in question as long as he is healthy. Bogi and Joker (if he is able to play) gonna throw flames out there.

 

[Toruko2]

That was never in question as long as he is healthy. Bogi and Joker (if he is able to play) gonna throw flames out there.

Like 2019?

 

[Serbian_Layup2]

Like 2019?

In 2019. Jokić was playing PF or paired together with Raduljica and Marjanović while hanging in the corner. Not much to add there. By the way, Bogi was the best scorer in entire competition in 2019, so in a way, yes, just like 2019

 

[Toruko2]

In 2019. Jokić was playing PF or paired together with Raduljica and Marjanović while hanging in the corner. Not much to add there. By the way, Bogi was the best scorer in entire competition in 2019, so in a way, yes, just like 2019

2021 it was even worse when I remember back the game against Italy. The coaching stuff used him like a standard big, so 2019 didnt work and 2021 neither in a way. Lets wait for 2023...

The last convincing Serbian NT team that I can remember of is 2015. Cant say much about Eurobasket 2017 since there were many absentees but a guy like Milan Macvan such a glue guy has been missing since then.

 

[mojo132]

Well... here is some of draw stuff over again then.
Note that all these assumptions are following the draw rules of the 2019 World Cup. FIBA has yet to announce the 2023 Draw Rules so perhaps it could look quite different.


Current Pots based on Current FIBA Ranking
Pot 1: Philippines, Spain, USA, Australia
Pot 2: France, Serbia, Slovenia, Lithuania
Pot 3: Greece, Italy, Germany, Brazil
Pot 4: Canada, Venezuela, Montenegro, Iran
Pot 5: Puerto Rico, Finland, Dominican Republic, New Zealand
Pot 6: China, Latvia, Mexico, Georgia
Pot 7: Jordan, Japan, Angola, Lebanon
Pot 8: Cote d'Ivoire, Egypt, South Sudan, Cape Verde​

Expected Pots based on Geographical Balancing
Pot 1: Philippines, Spain, USA, Australia
Pot 2: France, Serbia, Slovenia, Lithuania
Pot 3: Greece, Italy, Germany, Brazil
Pot 4: Canada, Venezuela, Montenegro, Iran
Pot 5: Puerto Rico, Finland, New Zealand, Latvia
Pot 6: Dominican Republic, China, Mexico, Georgia
Pot 7: Jordan, Japan, Angola, , Cote d'Ivoire
Pot 8: Lebanon, Egypt, South Sudan, Cape Verde


* Latvia (highest ranked European from Pot 6) and DR (Lowest Ranked Americas from Pot 5) switch
** Lebanon (lowest ranked Asian from Pot 7) and Ivory Coast (highest ranked African from Pot 8) switch


Draw Scenarios

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Note the one change from the last time I posted this is that Latvia and Finland are no longer an option for Pot C - due to geographical balancing of Asia. Either NZL or IRN must be in this Pool (and away from AUS and PHI).

Once again - if you see any flaws in my logic here, please point it out.
​

 

[Serbian_Layup2]

2021 it was even worse when I remember back the game against Italy. The coaching stuff used him like a standard big, so 2019 didnt work and 2021 neither in a way. Lets wait for 2023...

The last convincing Serbian NT team that I can remember of is 2015. Cant say much about Eurobasket 2017 since there were many absentees but a guy like Milan Macvan such a glue guy has been missing since then.

2021? Are you thinking about OQT in Belgrade? Because neither one of them played in 2021. The last time Bogi and Jokić played together was in 2019.

 

[Toruko2]

Well... here is some of draw stuff over again then.
Note that all these assumptions are following the draw rules of the 2019 World Cup. FIBA has yet to announce the 2023 Draw Rules so perhaps it could look quite different.


Current Pots based on Current FIBA Ranking
Pot 1: Philippines, Spain, USA, Australia
Pot 2: France, Serbia, Slovenia, Lithuania
Pot 3: Greece, Italy, Germany, Brazil
Pot 4: Canada, Venezuela, Montenegro, Iran
Pot 5: Puerto Rico, Finland, Dominican Republic, New Zealand
Pot 6: China, Latvia, Mexico, Georgia
Pot 7: Jordan, Japan, Angola, Lebanon
Pot 8: Cote d'Ivoire, Egypt, South Sudan, Cape Verde​

Expected Pots based on Geographical Balancing
Pot 1: Philippines, Spain, USA, Australia
Pot 2: France, Serbia, Slovenia, Lithuania
Pot 3: Greece, Italy, Germany, Brazil
Pot 4: Canada, Venezuela, Montenegro, Iran
Pot 5: Puerto Rico, Finland, New Zealand, Latvia
Pot 6: Dominican Republic, China, Mexico, Georgia
Pot 7: Jordan, Japan, Angola, , Cote d'Ivoire
Pot 8: Lebanon, Egypt, South Sudan, Cape Verde


* Latvia (highest ranked European from Pot 6) and DR (Lowest Ranked Americas from Pot 5) switch
** Lebanon (lowest ranked Asian from Pot 7) and Ivory Coast (highest ranked African from Pot 8) switch


Draw Scenarios

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Group B is a jackpot for any BB country...

 

[Toruko2]

2021? Are you thinking about OQT in Belgrade? Because neither one of them played in 2021. The last time Bogi and Jokić played together was in 2019.

No I tipped the wrong number I meant Eurobasket 2022 of course.

 

[Serbian_Layup2]

No I tipped the wrong number I meant Eurobasket 2022 of course.

So, how was it not working then? In a game vs Italy Jokić dropped 32 in 28 minutes and Serbia was +12 with him on the court, and we lost by 8. Do the math, the reason why we failed to win is definitely not because of Jokić.

 

[Toruko2]

So, how was it not working then? In a game vs Italy Jokić dropped 32 in 28 minutes and Serbia was +12 with him on the court, and we lost by 8. Do the math, the reason why we failed to win is definitely not because of Jokić.

Oh I was just pointing out the outcome. It wasnt an attack on Jokic himself. I watched the last quarter 2-3 times and he was misused. It shouldnt be that difficult to extract his talent on FIBA level. A loss to a Italian team without a proper 5 is really not acceptable.

 

[Serbian_Layup2]

Oh I was just pointing out the outcome. It wasnt an attack on Jokic himself. I watched the last quarter 2-3 times and he was misused. It shouldnt be that difficult to extract his talent on FIBA level. A loss to a Italian team without a proper 5 is really not acceptable.

Italian team is not some amateurish team, they are good.

Jokić was not misused but rather underused. If your team is -20 in 12 minutes without Jokić, you should have played him few minutes more and secure the win. But nevertheless, that Serbian team wouldn't win anything because everyone was just thinking that Jokić alone was going to be enough.

 

[Toruko2]

Italian team is not some amateurish team, they are good.

Jokić was not misused but rather underused. If your team is -20 in 12 minutes without Jokić, you should have played him few minutes more and secure the win. But nevertheless, that Serbian team wouldn't win anything because everyone was just thinking that Jokić alone was going to be enough.

Also when he was on the court, he should have got the ball literally every offensive possession. Underused is definitely correct but there should be ways to use him more as a creator rather than just a center under the rim, but maybe its due to lack of prep time.

 

[R1ou2]

Well... here is some of draw stuff over again then.
Note that all these assumptions are following the draw rules of the 2019 World Cup. FIBA has yet to announce the 2023 Draw Rules so perhaps it could look quite different.


Current Pots based on Current FIBA Ranking
Pot 1: Philippines, Spain, USA, Australia
Pot 2: France, Serbia, Slovenia, Lithuania
Pot 3: Greece, Italy, Germany, Brazil
Pot 4: Canada, Venezuela, Montenegro, Iran
Pot 5: Puerto Rico, Finland, Dominican Republic, New Zealand
Pot 6: China, Latvia, Mexico, Georgia
Pot 7: Jordan, Japan, Angola, Lebanon
Pot 8: Cote d'Ivoire, Egypt, South Sudan, Cape Verde​

Expected Pots based on Geographical Balancing
Pot 1: Philippines, Spain, USA, Australia
Pot 2: France, Serbia, Slovenia, Lithuania
Pot 3: Greece, Italy, Germany, Brazil
Pot 4: Canada, Venezuela, Montenegro, Iran
Pot 5: Puerto Rico, Finland, New Zealand, Latvia
Pot 6: Dominican Republic, China, Mexico, Georgia
Pot 7: Jordan, Japan, Angola, , Cote d'Ivoire
Pot 8: Lebanon, Egypt, South Sudan, Cape Verde


* Latvia (highest ranked European from Pot 6) and DR (Lowest Ranked Americas from Pot 5) switch
** Lebanon (lowest ranked Asian from Pot 7) and Ivory Coast (highest ranked African from Pot 8) switch


Draw Scenarios

​


Note the one change from the last time I posted this is that Latvia and Finland are no longer an option for Pot C - due to geographical balancing of Asia. Either NZL or IRN must be in this Pool (and away from AUS and PHI).

Once again - if you see any flaws in my logic here, please point it out.
​

Host's group will be worse than an European qualification group for a second straight tournament. Joke.