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[Day 1] Group A: Jordan vs. Greece

[Day 1] Group A: Jordan vs. Greece

  • Jordan

    Votes: 2 7.7%
  • Greece

    Votes: 24 92.3%

  • Total voters
    26
greece could play with their B team, which were in Australia last week, and they wouldn`t have any problems
since you're mocking the others, what's your National Team then !?
a little respect to others, this is Asian Basketball Level.... No Comparison between Asia and Europe!
we did not expect the win nor a better result and we mentioned the reasons before......
 
Hey guys, let's not read too much into this. Greece hit a lot of their outside shots. When Greece is hitting their 3's well - no one can beat them. Not Spain, not USA, nobody. The problem for Greece is that normally, they struggle to hit outside shots and have weakness against zone. Although without Diamantidis, I always find that Greece has way better ball movement and thus handles the zone better.

When Greece is hitting a lot of 3's, no one beats them, not even Team USA. Greece beat Canada by something like 120 - 47 because they were also having a good shooting game from outside.

So let's not just take this score too seriously. I don't think Greece is necessarily a plus 44 against Jordan in a realistic truth. Just like they were not realistically a +73 against Canada. Then again, Spanoulis barely even had the ball and was hardly even trying and they still scored 107. But I think Jordan just gave up early.

Both teams tried to conserve energy after that like 21-0 run Greece had.

On Wednesday, Puerto Rico will beat Greece. They look strong today, but against a weak Jordan team.

Everyone (well except USA) admits and knows that Puerto Rico has a very nice team and they are always tough. But how can you be so confident as this? Calm down man, and wait for the game. It should be a good game.

But I don't see any way that you can just flat out say Puerto Rico is beating Greece. You sound like those annoying NBA only fans that think a team's strength is solely based on how many NBA players it has.

I am not expecting any easy game for Greece, but come on, Puerto Rico has their hands full with Greece and they are the underdog.
 
Greece is playing great and not missing any shot!
this is what we call a World Class Team, i thin that Greece will get a medal in the Olympics this Summer
from the beginning we did not expect a better result than Korea, Tab Baldwin's main focus is on Puerto Rico's game though i doubt that we can match up with them but am sure we are going to give them a hard time

The level of the world elites is extremely high. Greece has the potential to be part of that group, but they can only medal if their two missing centers (Sofo and Koufos) will be added to their team after they manage to qualify for the Olympics. At the medal stage you have to deal with quality big men inside.

The good thing is that this Greek team is rebuilding and has a young roster along with four veterans who are not that old either. So already playing at this level is good news.

Greece today showed their opponents that they can be lethal if they are allowed to shoot.
 
The level of the world elites is extremely high. Greece has the potential to be part of that group, but they can only medal if their two missing centers (Sofo and Koufos) will be added to their team after they manage to qualify for the Olympics. At the medal stage you have to deal with quality big men inside.

The good thing is that this Greek team is rebuilding and has a young roster along with four veterans who are not that old either. So already playing at this level is good news.

Greece today showed their opponents that they can be lethal if they are allowed to shoot.

Today Bramos played great, Mavroeidis had 15...we obviously can't expect that against the best teams if we qualify at the Olympics. However, you can see in this game that you guys are too hard on Mavroeidis. He is better on defense than both Sofo and Koufos. Sofo and Koufos and Bourousis is the best offensive center rotation on the planet, but it leaves a lot to be desired on defense.
 
since you're mocking the others, what's your National Team then !?
a little respect to others, this is Asian Basketball Level.... No Comparison between Asia and Europe!
we did not expect the win nor a better result and we mentioned the reasons before......

spain...but if i would live in estonia, poland, netherlands i would say the same...
 
Today Bramos played great, Mavroeidis had 15...we obviously can't expect that against the best teams if we qualify at the Olympics. However, you can see in this game that you guys are too hard on Mavroeidis. He is better on defense than both Sofo and Koufos. Sofo and Koufos and Bourousis is the best offensive center rotation on the planet, but it leaves a lot to be desired on defense.

I agree about Mavroeidis we are been abit hard on him but Bramos played great ? He was bad today . Only in the last quarter he showed some good signs
 
Sofo and Koufos and Bourousis is the best offensive center rotation on the planet, but it leaves a lot to be desired on defense.

It's one of the best center rotations. Not the best. It's a medal team rotation. And this is exactly my point. If Greece wants to medal, they need to be on the team. If they can't be on the team, we are going to have a good tournament and hope for the best. But in that case Zouros would have made a big mistake in not inviting Vouyoukias. Bourousis, Vouyoukas, Mavroidis would also do.
 
It's one of the best center rotations. Not the best. It's a medal team rotation. And this is exactly my point. If Greece wants to medal, they need to be on the team. If they can't be on the team, we are going to have a good tournament and hope for the best. But in that case Zouros would have made a big mistake in not inviting Vouyoukias. Bourousis, Vouyoukas, Mavroidis would also do.

Which team has a better center rotation than Bourousis/Sofo/Koufos? I can't think of a single team.
 
Greece is looking good! Hellas will be a dark horse in the Olympics.
 
On Wednesday, Puerto Rico will beat Greece. They look strong today, but against a weak Jordan team.

Ten posts and Im still waiting for you to contribute something to this forum other than spending them nuthugging our national team.
 
I agree about Mavroeidis we are been abit hard on him but Bramos played great ? He was bad today . Only in the last quarter he showed some good signs

I meant great for his standards. If you understand me...
 
Ten posts and Im still waiting for you to contribute something to this forum other than spending them nuthugging our national team.

mochoso Puerto Rico its a good team and one of the 3 ( the other 2 DR and Fyrom with Venezuela been a dark horse ) that is most likely to pull an upset over Lithuania/Greece/Russia but saying with certainty you will beat Greece just because you have some players in the NBA shows arrogance on your behalf. Greece still has the edge but it will be a tough game. I'd say
60-40% for Greece to win ( PR always are giving us hard time though we do manage to win in the end by a small margin and hopefully history will repeat again )
 
Which team has a better center rotation than ? I can't think of a single team.

You made a claim that Bourousis/Sofo/Koufos is the best center rotation. While these are better:
Spain: Marc Gasol, Pau Gasol, Ibaka
USA: Chandler, Odom, Love
Argentina: Scola, Oberto, Guiterez

There are more which are just as good. Like Turkey.
 
You made a claim that Bourousis/Sofo/Koufos is the best center rotation. While these are better:
Spain: Marc Gasol, Pau Gasol, Ibaka
USA: Chandler, Odom, Love
Argentina: Scola, Oberto, Guiterez

There are more which are just as good. Like Turkey.

Pau Gasol does not play center anymore. He plays at PF now for Spain. Argentina? No way. Oberto is ancient and he's retired and not playing. Scola is a zero on defense. The only one even in the discussion is the USA, and honestly, it's way too undersized to handle Greece's 3, if they went head to head.

So, in fact, if Greece has all three of their main centers, I think it's the best one in the world. Unless you want to assume that Kevin Love and Odom can guard those Greeks in the half court, which I don't think is happening. Kevin Love is smaller than Kavvadas is. And about Odom - how can you assume he can even play now? The last time we saw him on a basketball court, he was 100% done as a player.
 
Pau Gasol does not play center anymore. He plays at PF now for Spain. Argentina? No way. Oberto is ancient and he's retired and not playing. Scola is a zero on defense. The only once even in the discussion is the USA, and honestly, it's way too undersized to handle Greece's 3 if they went head to head.

So, in fact, if Greece has all three of their main centers, I think it's the best one in the world. Unless you want to assume that Kevin Love and Odom can guard those Greeks in the half court, which I think is not happening. Kevin Love is smaller than Kavvadas is.

Come on! Its late. Lets go to sleep.
 
Any Greek center cannot produce more than 10 points against Spaniard centers.Pau gasol can easily make 25 pts 10 Rbs against big and slow Greek centers.Spanish centers are so far better than any European yeam's centers.Pau Gasol has been dominating Fiba tournaments for last ten years.Greece can beat any European team except Spain because they have super-class guards and clever forwards like Fotsis,Printzesis.Sofo/Bourousis/Koufos trio is not strong as you mentioned
 
Any Greek center cannot produce more than 10 points against Spaniard centers.Pau gasol can easily make 25 pts 10 Rbs against big and slow Greek centers.Spanish centers are so far better than any European yeam's centers.Pau Gasol has been dominating Fiba tournaments for last ten years.Greece can beat any European team except Spain because they have super-class guards and clever forwards like Fotsis,Printzesis.Sofo/Bourousis/Koufos trio is not strong as you mentioned

Pau Gasol does not play center anymore for Spain. All the minutes at center are handled now by Marc Gasol and Ibaka. Besides that, Pau Gasol struggled in last year's NBA playoffs. He was just OK at the last EuroBasket, as Navarro completely carried him the whole tournament. There was never any domination going on last summer from Pau. This year, in the NBA playoffs, Pau Gasol was nothing short of terrible.

When you guys rate teams and players, you have to at least know who is still playing, and what their current level is, and what position they now play at.
 
Pau Gasol does not play center anymore for Spain. All the minutes at center are handled now by Marc Gasol and Ibaka. Besides that, Pau Gasol struggled in last year's NBA playoffs. He was just OK at the last EuroBasket, as Navarro completely carried him the whole tournament. There was never any domination going on last summer from Pau. This year, in the NBA playoffs, Pau Gasol was nothing short of terrible.

When you guys rate teams and players, you have to at least know who is still playing, and what their current level is, and what position they now play at.

Maybe we are out of topic but I want to say that Pau Gasol is playing 4/5.He plays power forward when he is in court with his bro.Gasolless Spain is a quarter-final team.They were defeated by us in the last Eurobasket without Gasol.Ömer Aşık could fight Marc Gasol and I think Ömer beat him.If Gasol had played,they would have beaten us with big margin... Greek center rotation has same strength with Ömer Aşık/Enes Kanter/ Semih Erden. Greece has elite guard and it makes difference
 
Maybe we are out of topic but I want to say that Pau Gasol is playing 4/5.He plays power forward when he is in court with his bro.Gasolless Spain is a quarter-final team.They were defeated by us in the last Eurobasket without Gasol.Ömer Aşık could fight Marc Gasol and I think Ömer beat him.If Gasol had played,they would have beaten us with big margin... Greek center rotation has same strength with Ömer Aşık/Enes Kanter/ Semih Erden. Greece has elite guard and it makes difference

I second that. And it doesn't really matter if Gasol is 4 or 5. It's the frontline as a whole that matters. And right now, Greece looks pretty good with Printezis, Kaimakoglou, Bourousis, Fotsis, Mavroidis, but they are going to fall short against some of the very best teams who have better frontlines and elite guards as well. Spain being one of them.

The fact that Spain is two levels lower without Pau says a lot of the importance of having a strong center.
 
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Now I'm even more sad that the Philippines didn't make it to this stage. They couldn't possibly have done worse than Jordan and they would have made the IBN discussions a lot more interesting.
 
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