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Chinese historical dramas in the Philippines?

satria_muda said:
where's Carmen Lee btw I never see her again on mandarin's movies/tv series ? I growing up watching carmen lee's version of legend condor heroes on TV.
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She's still acting at least until 5 years ago in TV series, appearing for example in the 2001 series (youtube)
TrueBluePinoy said:
I could recall a scene where there was a dying gorilla (guy in a suit) handing the main protagonist a scroll containing the heaven and earth style training regimen after the latter fell from a cliff
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The latter = the main protagonist? Confused :confused::confused: I honestly haven't any idea, but I will ask for you.
pachador said:
filipinos are the most tolerant of the chinese compared to malaysia or indonesia
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I see that. Religion?
talion said:
@sinobball
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Wow, so detailed. Are you in law school or something? Nice writing.

I think all the Asian cultures nowadays are moving more and more towards the Western legal and government system, it's just a matter of degree. I think Philippines is more advanced in this respect, at least that's my impression from reading your opinion. Thanks.

I don't completely get the "tubong nilugaw" part though.
 
in the case of indonesia part of it was the communist scare they had in the 1960s when their generals were assasinated. as you know hundreds of thousands were purportedly massacred. I think satria muda is in a better position to answer this .

religion may play a bigger role in malaysia since they are more "islamic" than indonesia(this is just my impression - not sure).




sinobball; said:
:confused: I honestly haven't any idea, but I will ask for you.I see that. Religion?
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sinobball said:
Cool... I don't know if we should thank the Japanese for spreading our culture :o but ROTK is indeed the greatest story ever! My Korean friend had read it 5 times... If you haven't, no matter what race you are, I pity you:D
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haha... i'm of the movies and videogames generation so the only other time in my teens that i've encountered anything historical about China was that Disney movie Mulan. :D but hey, i'd pick Lü Bu whacking 600+ soldiers by himself with a big ass halberd while riding a horse over a kiddie movie.

 
Video games are not history

Video games are not history

paolylo said:
but hey, i'd pick Lü Bu whacking 600+ soldiers by himself with a big ass halberd while riding a horse over a kiddie movie.
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Hehe no kidding.... You probably know this already, but in ancient China when they fight battles, it's only the Generals vs. Generals on horse backs while the soldiers just watch... (There are exceptions, e.g. Zhao Yun at Chang Ban when he was alone.) Generals' skills determine the battle outcome, not the sheer number of soldiers... (well they are useless if you can kill 600+ in a couple minutes anyway)... "Who can provide a decent challenge" LMAO

Kind of like this:

(BTW that fight scene is a little sorry but that series was a huge classic. A new 95-episode ROTK TV series come out next month... Can't wait)
 
I agree with Sinobball, I have read the San Kuo Pinying (Romance of the Three Kingdoms) and many times the general who is victorious in slaying the opposing general often ensures victory for his army for the upcoming skirmish of soldiers.

Example:

Hua Chiong slaying 3 minor generals in Shi Sui

Kuan Yu slaying Yan Liang in Bai Ma

Kuan Yu slaying Wen Chou in Yanjin

Zhao Yun slaying 5 generals in succession during Kung Ming's early Northern Expedition.

Video Games exaggerated the events of the novel to mega proportion.:D
 
sinobball said:
I remember it was 4? Han De (the daddy) was slain later.:) Also I think Hua Xiong killed 4 not 3 in Sishui... but I see you know ROTK really well. :):)
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Thanks for the refreshing info. ROTK was one of my favorite novels and the last time I read it was 5 years ago. Will start reading again sometime.:)
 
@ LordOfLeyte

Did you know Cao Cao's tomb was discovered a couple months ago? The site was actually found in 2005, and obviously had suffered from vandalism, but they just determined it was Cao Cao's, based on site, the writing in the tomb, the amount of jewelries, and other somewhat circumstantial evidences. The most interesting thing is there were 3 skeletons/skulls: 1 from a 60+ old man (Cao Cao) and 2 women. The women skeletons were determined to be 20+ and 40+ year olds, but nobody had any idea who they were. Cao Cao's wife, Bian was 70+ year old when she died.

Some people think it's Xiahou Dun's tomb. :(

 
Thanks for the info. I guess Tsao Meng-De wanted his tomb to be a secret as he made a lot of enemies and in fear of someday the latter generation of his enemies would desecrate his resting place.

Modern Medical suggest Brain Tumor was Meng-De's cause of death as written on the novel and medical evidences which suggests the case exhibited when Meng-De suffered massive headaches along with severe disillusionment.
 
LordOfLeyte said:
Modern Medical suggest Brain Tumor was Meng-De's cause of death as written on the novel and medical evidences which suggests the case exhibited when Meng-De suffered massive headaches along with severe disillusionment.
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Ha, I never thought about that. When you wrote "disillusionment" do you mean "illusions" (I think they are antonyms...)? Because in ROTK there were indeed those funny stories about his last days -- first he saw dead Guan Yu opening his eyes, then he cut a tree and the tree bled -- but I don't think they can be taken seriously as history... just like, apparently the brain surgeon Hua Tuo can operate with an axe ...:D
 
sinobball said:
Ha, I never thought about that. When you wrote "disillusionment" do you mean "illusions" (I think they are antonyms...)? Because in ROTK there were indeed those funny stories about his last days -- first he saw dead Guan Yu opening his eyes, then he cut a tree and the tree bled -- but I don't think they can be taken seriously as history... just like, apparently the brain surgeon Hua Tuo can operate with an axe ...:D
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Yes, I used the term disillusionment to describe the weird visions Meng-De was having. My favorite was the severed Guan Yu's head talking.:D

Then there's the event where he kept seeing the victims of his cruelty creeping through his chamber. (Those must have been a lot of people) Still, I think the ROTK is 60% Historical Events + 40% Myth, including the supernatural elements embedded on the novel.

One last thing on Hua-Tuo, Meng-De found it absurd that Hua-Tuo would crack open his skull and operate.:D I guess Meng De learned his lessons from the "Imperial Girdle Conspiracy".
 
LordOfLeyte said:
One last thing on Hua-Tuo, Meng-De found it absurd that Hua-Tuo would crack open his skull and operate.:D
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ROTK tried very hard to portray Mr. Cao as an overly suspicious fellow. Remember he murdered Mr. Lu's entire family when they tried to kill a pig for HIM to eat.

But if someone tries to perform brain surgeries on me with an AXE I would kill him right away too :D
 
sinobball said:
ROTK tried very hard to portray Mr. Cao as an overly suspicious fellow. Remember he murdered Mr. Lu's entire family when they tried to kill a pig for HIM to eat.

But if someone tries to perform brain surgeries on me with an AXE I would kill him right away too :D
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:D

Anyways, I wish our local channels would air the ROTK tv series.
 
Watching the new series on YT now... the first 2 episodes were just broadcast on Chinese TV 2 hours ago and now everything is on YT... Unfortunately no English subs. :p

A sample (where Cao Cao tries to assassinate Dong Zhuo but failed and escaped in the end)


compare with the 1993 version (with subtitles) @3:00 onward


I like the newer series. Its dialogue and acting are all a lot more modern than the classic one -- it's OK so long it's interesting. It skipped a lot of less important events and characters, but rather focuses and expanded on selected stories.

Actually I recently noticed Youtube also hosts this series "Legend of Guan Gong" in English subtitles:
http://www.youtube.com/show?p=_JBNxhuDun8
But that series is pretty moronic and all the commercials killed my interest :p
 
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It could be that chinese drama are just too sophisticated for the taste of average pinoy viewer. I don't know.
 
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talion said:
the media in the philippines, which are wholly controlled by large, enterprising private corporations, are aware that most non-chinese filipinos distrust anything chinese and for this reason the media giants have figured out that investing heavily in chinese dramas will not yield good profits because of poor viewership.
The huge bias can be described in the following instances:

Made in china--- a lot of filipinos will readily conclude that products having this sign are of inferior quality. Foodstuff like cookies and drinks bearing made in china, although cheaper, are almost always left untouched by middle-class buyers because of fear of toxic substances. Interestingly, foodstuff with chinese markings but are made in philippines sell like hot cakes.

Tax evader--- lucio tan, a chinese who became a naturalized filipino, comes to mind. He is rich and owns a lot of corporations but he is number 1 tax evader with unpaid taxes amounting up to billions. Not a good role model.

Enemy of labor--- henry sy. Another ultra-rich chinese who became a naturalized filipino. He is owner of the sm mall chain. His labor practice is that he only hires contractual employees in 6 month periods to shield him from labor laws. Employees cannot run after him for compensation/ benefits/healthcare because technically they're not regularly employed.

Chinese restaurants---- use a lot of monosodium glutamate. Bad for the health. There are stories that a lot of these chinese restaurants in philippines will sacrifice healthy eating for great taste.

Obstacle in basketball development---- graham lim comes to mind. Not mainland chinese but taiwanese, but still, a lot of filipinos will easily associate him with china.

That is my take on why chinese historical dramas will never be popular in the philippines. Hope this helps. I love chinese food by the way.
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you have just expose yourself to having a strong bias against
chinese or anything to do with chinese except for chinese food , BY RANDOMLY ENUMERATING Totally unrelated subject that has no connection
to the title of this thread.
 
LordOfLeyte said:
Aything ROTK; the old one or the new series is fine by me.:)
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Hey man, I see your new signature but I don't want to hijack other threads, so what about Fu Hao's Tomb?

I have personally seen Mawangdui and didn't really care about the artifacts, but was absolutely amazed by 3000-year-old corpse in almost "perfect" undecomposed condition.

BTW, this new ROTK movie may make it to the Philippines:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lost_Bladesman
(Believe it or not, there will be 4 movies in 2011-2012 about Guan Yu)

Speaking of tombs and ROTK, Cao Xiu's tomb was just discovered, a couple months after Cao Cao's.
http://www.china.org.cn/photos/2010-05/18/content_20061721.htm
 
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