Carlos Delfino, Bostjan Nachbar or Sasha Pavlovic?

[stuart2]

Carlos Delfino, Sasha Pavlovic or Bostjan Nachbar are really earning their stars this year in the NBA, getting more minutes to show their skills. So of the three high-flying international players, whom did you think would be the most succesful and whom would you most want on your team?

Boki (born 1980, 6'9/2,06, 4th year) averages 19.5 minutes a game for New Jersey, earning difficult minutes at the forward position that both Richard Jefferson and Vince Carter play. Boki pulls in 8.6pts, 3.3rebs, and 1 ast, currently shooting 44% from the field, 40% from three, and 81% from the FT line. Boki has had some great dunks and finishes in the last few weeks. Nachbar is the tallest and the oldest of the three, and has played on three NBA teams already (Houston, New Orleans and NJ)

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Delfino (1982, 6'6/1,98m, 2nd year) averages about 16 minutes a game for 5pts, 3.3 rebounds, and 1 ast. Carlos plays the least amount among the three, but plays for the best team- the Detroit Pistons and behind an all-star -- Rip Hamilton. Shoots 41% from the field, 35% from three, and 80% from the free throw line. Delfino is a smooth player that doesn't get too much time on the great Argentine National team, but is a promising young player.

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Sasha (1983, 6'7/2,01m, 3rd year) is the youngest of the three and plays the most with 22 minutes a night with Cleveland, stealing minutes from Larry Hughes. Pavlovic averages 8.5 points, 2.3 rebounds and 1.5 assists (and turns it over 1.5 times a game). Shoots 43% overall, 39% from three and 78% from the FT. Pavlovic came into the league as a gunner and has no problem with confidence -- but that has come back to bite him early in his career.

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Stuart

 

[elaj2]

I think you missed the thread... but I would pick Boki anytime.

 

[rikhardur2]

I would pick Boki anytime.

Likewise.

 

[theblackswans2]

Best Of The 3

Best Of The 3

Of the three this is how I would rate them...

1) Bostjan Nachbar- Finally has gained the confidence and consistant minutes. It appears the game has slowed down for him and he now understands he can play in the NBA. He is much more aggressive in his approach than in years past. He still is inconsistant but his bad games are fewer and father apart. If he ever developes a consistant outside shot he could be a fringe all star.

2) Sasa Pavlovic- He is starting to play better as well but doesn't have the upside of Boki. He also benifits from all of the attention given to King James.

3) Carlos Delfino- Physically talented but still doesn't play enough to really know how good he is.

 

[theblackswans2]

Best Of The 3

Best Of The 3

Of the three this is how I would rate them...

1) Bostjan Nachbar- Finally has gained the confidence and consistant minutes. It appears the game has slowed down for him and he now understands he can play in the NBA. He is much more aggressive in his approach than in years past. He still is inconsistant but his bad games are fewer and father apart. If he ever developes a consistant outside shot he could be a fringe all star.

2) Sasa Pavlovic- He is starting to play better as well but doesn't have the upside of Boki. He also benifits from all of the attention given to King James.

3) Carlos Delfino- Physically talented but still doesn't play enough to really know how good he is.

 

[SkyWalker2]

i gotta give it to bostjan nachbar. he got his numbers up when kristic got injured, and up to now, he's showing that he can step up.

 

[Joško Poljak Fan2]

Nachbar is finally showing his Benetton's game... people that saw him there knew he could play, they were just waiting for him to confirm it...
All he needed was minutes and a normal coach that wouldn't transform him into something he is not like Van Ganji wanted to...

I'm glad Pavlović is getting some playing time as well...

 

[Buducnost PG2]

Pavlovic is the best of the 3 this season. He showed some very good games this year and is even a starter.

2) Sasa Pavlovic- He is starting to play better as well but doesn't have the upside of Boki. He also benifits from all of the attention given to King James.

That is wrong. Pavlovic plays better when James is not in the game. He is one of the players in Clevland which is able to great shoots for himself. And he is 3 years younger then Nachbar. He will show much more next season.

 

[kecman2]

I think Nachbar is the best in this season.
But Pavlović is a much better shooter than him and he will show his skills next season if he doesn't get injured like most of the serbian players.

 

[Joško Poljak Fan2]

I think all 3 are comparable, which is all that matters since discussing on who is better is useless since they all have different roles in different teams...
Nachbar got lucky that Jefferson got injured, if that would happen in Pavlović's or Delfino's case maybee they'd be the most impressive ones... and that's just about it. imo NBA doesn't really favours a player over his skill set to the same extent as in europe, but being in the right team on the right time helps the most... and Nachbar got lucky with it.
I hope they'll all get good minutes in the future and of course, that they'll return to europe

Walter Hermann is missing in the pool... being the most physical it is imho pretty obvious he makes the best choice for the NBA out of this group, yet eventhough i'm used to it, it's kind of paradoxal how much time a NBA team like Bobcats needs to find that out... at least they are beggining to slowely getting there, which is still not the case with Delfino that still isn't getting the oppurtunity he deserves...
I think Bobcats let a ROY award slip through their hands with Hermann this season, considering the weak draft...

 

[LuDux2]

Stats after all-star break

______nachb delfi pavlo kleiz herma
age ___ 26 __ 24 __ 23 __ 22 __ 27
mn __ 22,9 _17,4 _32,1 _23,7 _21,5
pt __ 11,3 __5,2 _12,0 _10,3 _10,5
fg __ 48,5 _41,7 _45,9 _42,5 _56,9
3p __ 42,5 _40,6 _40,0 _43,8 _43,9
ft __ 77,9 _78,8 _76,1 _88,6 _81,8
rb ___ 4,0 _ 3,0 _ 3,0 _ 4,1 _ 3,5
as ___ 1,1 _ 0,8 _ 2,0 _ 0,7 _ 0,9
st ___ 0,5 _ 0,8 _ 1,1 _ 0,3 _ 0,3
to ___ 1,1 _ 0,8 _ 1,8 _ 1,0 _ 0,5
bl ___ 0,3 _ 0,0 _ 0,2 _ 0,4 _ 0,3

 

[Buducnost PG2]

I think all 3 are comparable, which is all that matters since discussing on who is better is useless since they all have different roles in different teams...
Nachbar got lucky that Jefferson got injured, if that would happen in Pavlović's or Delfino's case maybee they'd be the most impressive ones... and that's just about it. imo NBA doesn't really favours a player over his skill set to the same extent as in europe, but being in the right team on the right time helps the most... and Nachbar got lucky with it.
I hope they'll all get good minutes in the future and of course, that they'll return to europe

Walter Hermann is missing in the pool... being the most physical it is imho pretty obvious he makes the best choice for the NBA out of this group, yet eventhough i'm used to it, it's kind of paradoxal how much time a NBA team like Bobcats needs to find that out... at least they are beggining to slowely getting there, which is still not the case with Delfino that still isn't getting the oppurtunity he deserves...
I think Bobcats let a ROY award slip through their hands with Hermann this season, considering the weak draft...

I must say that Pavlovic, Nachbar and also Delfino gets their chance this season. Pavlovic and Nachbar use this chance well. Delfino for me not. The only thing he is doing very good every night was rebounding for a guard and the assists numbers were also OK. But he had a terrible shoot precentage so far in most of the games.

Hermann plays real good and i am realy happy about him and his playing. He deservs this after all the hard time he went through. The first time i saw him play was on the WC02 and I immediatley liked him. On the olympics he was realy hot and become one of my favourite players. He didn´t play a lot because of Adam Morrison i think at the begining. Morrison had terrible FG% throught the season. But Hermann uses every minute in the game which he got very good and then when he had the chance to play more he use it and is on a very good way now.

 

[stuart2]

Walter Hermann is missing in the pool...

I look at Boki, Sasha, and Delfino are similar players in build, age, skills and experience. I left Herrmann out because of his age... As well as Kleiza, whom I see as a power forward with a different build and US college experience.

Stuart

 

[LuDux2]

I look at Boki, Sasha, and Delfino are similar players in build, age, skills and experience. I left Herrmann out because of his age... As well as Kleiza, whom I see as a power forward with a different build and US college experience.

Stuart

Kleiza played PF last year, but this year he made move to SG. Also Herrman is only 1 year older than Nachbar. And since I started nitpicking, Pavlovic stole minutes from Hughes, who stole starting PG place from Snow, who stole back-up PG place from Damon Jones

 

[stuart2]

Kleiza played PF last year, but this year he made move to SG. Also Herrman is only 1 year older than Nachbar. And since I started nitpicking, Pavlovic stole minutes from Hughes, who stole starting PG place from Snow, who stole back-up PG place from Damon Jones

Hmmm.. didn't realize that Nachbar was so old. Thought Hermann had a few years on him. My mistake. And I wouldn't place Kleiza in the same category as these three. To me, Kleiza has a power forwards body whereas these three aren't nearly as built -- place him on any other team and he's playing small forward or power forward. Nachbar, Delfino and Pavlovic are shooting guards, small forwards... nothing outside of that save for a few quirks during the season.

And who cares whom stole minutes from whom from whom from whom, bottom line is Pavlovic took minutes from Larry Hughes. I don't get it?

Stuart

 

[theblackswans2]

Boki the best???

Boki the best???

Hmmm.. didn't realize that Nachbar was so old. Thought Hermann had a few years on him. My mistake. And I wouldn't place Kleiza in the same category as these three. To me, Kleiza has a power forwards body whereas these three aren't nearly as built -- place him on any other team and he's playing small forward or power forward. Nachbar, Delfino and Pavlovic are shooting guards, small forwards... nothing outside of that save for a few quirks during the season.

And who cares whom stole minutes from whom from whom from whom, bottom line is Pavlovic took minutes from Larry Hughes. I don't get it?

Stuart

So have we come to a conclusion? I would say Boki is the best this year. If we only went on the last 20 games it would be Walter Herrman for sure.

So we have....

1) Bostjan Nachbar
2) Aleksandar Pavlovic
3) Carlos Delfino
honorary votes...

Walter Herrman
Linas Klezias

 

[LuDux2]

And who cares whom stole minutes from whom from whom from whom, bottom line is Pavlovic took minutes from Larry Hughes. I don't get it?

Stuart

I see your nitpicking standards are pretty high

 

[T.W.Is.M.2]

Since everybody writes about Nachbar or Pavlovic, how come Delfino has more votes than the others?
I'm the first 2 admit I voted 4 Delfino though because playing 4 the Pistons is imo more difficult than playing the Nets or the Cavs.Detroit has the same team 4 the last years, it's not easy 2 put yourself in the rotation and gain pt, plus the team is very successful.
He is also Argentinian which raises him more as a player in my eyes(biased comment )

 

[Simo2]

They are all good young talent, but I like Pavlovic. He is very explosive, and can shoot aswell. He can score, and make people around him better, and allowing them to get open.

 

[mavs1282]

Kleiza is really a natural SF in the league. He's built like a PF, but he has the quickness and shooting ability of a wing, and he really has a more perimeter game anyway.

Herrmann on the other hand is really more of a PF in the league, and that's where he's excelled with Charlotte. Early in the year and preseason they had him more as a SF, and he was struggling alot. But with the recent injury to Sean may, alon with Morrison continue to really do nothing well at all, Hermann's getting alot more minutes, especially at PF, and he's really thriving. Part of it is his 3-point shooting, which has dramatically improved from the beginning of the season. He's also really taking advantage of opposing PFs off the dribble.

Nochbar is really athletic, and he's a good shot, he's probably the best of the bunch.

I'm not too impressed with Pavlovic....he's decent at creating his own shot, but he forces the issue to much. Least athletic of the bunch. And his shot isn't very consistent.

Delfino is smooth and athletic, but he's small. He'll never get a chance to shine in more than a backup role with Detroit, but it's unclear wether he's ready for anything more than that anways.