Beşiktaş 2015/16

[slice me nice2]

The biggest club of Turkish sport deserves a thread for sure. I expect something special this season. First, we should complete the roster for sure. The current roster of Beşiktaş:

PG: Nate Wolters, Engin Atsür, Kartal Özmızrak
SG: Randy Culpepper, Muratcan Güler, Enes Berkay Taşkıran
SF: Tremmell Darden, Cenk Akyol
PF: Erik Murphy, Lamont Hamilton, Doğan Şenli
C: Maciej Lampe, Chinemelu Elonu, Emre Bayav

Coach: Yağızer Uluğ

 

[ran2222]

super weak roster so far...

 

[INTEGRAL2]

Biggest what?

Where is JJ?

 

[slice me nice2]

Biggest what?

Where is JJ?

JJ is out. The club won't use the option of his contract. We need a more reliable PF who can be a good back up for Murphy. I don't know how but the European market is so tiny for a less budgeted team like us. Probably, another gamble will come from us by recruiting a NCAA player. Broekhoff was a lock and we won that gamble, I don't know if it happens one more time.

 

[Joško Poljak Fan2]

I liked this team a lot last year and imho with Broekhoff, Atsur, Akyol, Murphy this is looking to be one of the more inteligently assembled teams in Turkey as for some of the other big teams I sometimes get a feeling they're ust interested in the biggest name available out there. I understand role players being underapreciated by the fans, however when that philosophy transfers to the team's office, that's ussualy not a good sign. Am a bit surprised towards the change as if i recall correctly the team's GM (or something simmilar) was saying in an interview few years ago he prefers some big name as Allen Iverson, to spending that same money on more different players, assembling a more competitive team accordingly.
Adding Lofton, Armstrong type players Besiktas could be a really competitive team. Not knowledgable enough to judge on some other Turkish players on the roster, but my prediction as far as the TBL and consequently euroleague goes is that the Turkish team that will be able to upbring quality rotational players that posses specific valuable strenghts, preferably top notch defense, will be the one dominating in the future years, not neccesarily even a matter of the biggest budget.

 

[slice me nice2]

The club has changed its mentality after shameful Allen Iverson transfer. (One of the biggest shameful moves of Beşiktaş in the history) We just chucked bunch of money away on Allen Iverson. The club board's decisions were completely wrong. They had just wanted to be popular in the eyes of fans. The success never came with this type of populist transfer. Now, we are doing better moves in transfer market and the club has better way of understanding for basketball. We have recruited some high potential NCAA players and make them shine in right system, relying on youth setup (already cranked them up a notch. Kartal Özmızrak, Doğukan Şanlı and Enes Berkay Taşkıran will get minutes). I am so happy to see this kind of change. At least the new board has realized the importance of right system in basketball. We can't spend millions like Fenerbahçe, Efes or Galatasaray. The club has not enough luxury for doing this since we are in trouble economically. I have faith in coach Dettman. I don't like his basketball mentality much but at least he will bring in new talents to this team. I am so excited about this season. The must; we should complete foreign transfer as soon as possible.

 

[slice me nice2]

If the rumors for Lampe (seems like a done deal) and Mitchell are true, this team will be the most wise shaped team of recent year's Beşiktaş. Still need to be sure the addition of those players to make a detailed comment.

 

[Joško Poljak Fan2]

Judging by some reports Jaka Blažič is a new player for Besiktas.
You'll love and occasionaly hate him at the same time Hate him for some hasty moves that don't neccesarily make a lot of sense, but love him for the effort and on-ball defense he is able to play, his creativity and (once; at least) superb fast break finishing. Hopefully he'll find his confidence back, Dettmann also doesn't seem that harsh and methodical coach that wouldn't be unable to cope with Blažič's unpredictability.

 

[slice me nice2]

Judging by some reports Jaka Blažič is a new player for Besiktas.
You'll love and occasionaly hate him at the same time Hate him for some hasty moves that don't neccesarily make a lot of sense, but love him for the effort and on-ball defense he is able to play, his creativity and (once; at least) superb fast break finishing. Hopefully he'll find his confidence back, Dettmann also doesn't seem that harsh and methodical coach that wouldn't be unable to cope with Blažič's unpredictability.

Well to be honest, I don't know if we will use him as SF. I have watched only his Euroleague games and I am not sure if I reached enough amount of games to judge him but he looks a better option than Mitchell. Broekhoff's absence is irreplaceable but Blazic's dynamism is close to him or maybe better than him. Since we have Akyol, this type of player was necessary. Now Akyol+Blazic sounds doesn't bad to me. At least we have two different types of players for this position. As I have said, I don't know what lies behind this transfer. Dettman likes this type of swingman but at the same time it is a question mark whether if he will contribute well like a pure SF. I hope so.

 

[CoachZ2]

Blazic is officially under contract with Zvezda until the end of 2015/16 season, and there are talks that the clubs have not agreed yet on the details. I am pretty sure they won't let him go without some kind of fee. Anyway he has bigger salary than what Broekhoff had for you, so that might be an issue too.

He is a fan favorite here, despite a shitty season he had. He is an energizer-bunny type of guy but madly inconsistent, that's why he is not playing for much bigger clubs. He also has questionable basketball IQ.

 

[INTEGRAL2]

Blazic has a very bad shooting mechanism. I never saw him hit open 3s. But at overall he is a good and very promising player with explosive effort.

 

[slice me nice2]

Blazic is officially under contract with Zvezda until the end of 2015/16 season, and there are talks that the clubs have not agreed yet on the details. I am pretty sure they won't let him go without some kind of fee. Anyway he has bigger salary than what Broekhoff had for you, so that might be an issue too.

He is a fan favorite here, despite a shitty season he had. He is an energizer-bunny type of guy but madly inconsistent, that's why he is not playing for much bigger clubs. He also has questionable basketball IQ.

Well if you expect some fee, we can give you one box chewing gum It is almost impossible for us to pay transfer fee for a guy. Maybe 50K$ most but that amount is also questionable. When there are some free agent players, I don't think the club is ready to pay buy-out.

Fans like that type of guys who play with their energy. I am quite sure, he will be the favourite guy here. Beşiktaş and Dettman can help him to leap himself forward. Like Broekhoff.

 

[Joško Poljak Fan2]

I've seen him play SF in Olimpija occasionaly, it's the same as most of other aspects of his game, a poison vs. some ball handling SF f.e., has some feeling for the rebounding while needless to say will get overpowered down low. As CoachZ said, he isn't bball inteligent player, he gets carried away constantly. Zdovc said after the 2014 WC that he completely understands Radonjić (Zvezda coach) as Blažič is just too unpredictable and makes the team performance fluctuate while both of them prefer some control and steadiness. The fact that Zdovc changed his mind to some degree is obvious within the NT lately.
In Olimpija in 2012/13 he was a complete revelation for someone that never got any role in our junior NT's and immediately a fan favourite we lacked for quite some years, 1st year in Zvezda it was obvious he doesn't fit in with Radonjić's philosophy, while the second year, while also driving drunk through Belgrade he kind of stepped back tried to play more under control, but was pretty terrible at it.
One team he'd fit in extremely well, would be Sassari I do think he might still be able to become an extremely usefull player within a loose system that fits him - haven't recently seen many examples of those "wild" yet nevertheless still "systems", though.

 

[INTEGRAL2]

@SMN

Both Lamont Hamilton and Lampe are Centers who can play PF very poorly.

If you consider Hamilton or Lampe as PF you will get upset match by match. Both are very good at offence but zero defence.

 

[slice me nice2]

@JPF, Dettman likes this type of inconsistent guy Last year, he couldn't manage to perform well due to the fact that he didn't build this squad. His system depends on the mixture of transition offenses and chaos basketball against stronger opponents. Last year, the team wasn't able to play like that and Dettman also hadn't felt so comfy about the usage of roster as he guessed. Now we can play a little bit chaos basketball with this type of player. A daredevil player like him will feel that he belongs here. There is no need for role description for him. We can't get him under control. If we try to do it, we will minimize his effectiveness. Let's give him a enough freedom. Even though I hate chaos basketball, there is no option for us since Dettman is here.

@INTEGRAL, I watched Hamilton a lot, I think he is a better option as a back up PF more than Lampe. Both have difficulties on D, but at least Hamilton's style is way more close to play PF. Lampe is already a center that I haven't seen him as a PF. Both Hamilton and Lampe on the court gives us enough space to play wide set games because of their shoot threats. I think Hamilton is good for PF.

 

[CoachZ2]

Well if you expect some fee, we can give you one box chewing gum It is almost impossible for us to pay transfer fee for a guy. Maybe 50K$ most but that amount is also questionable. When there are some free agent players, I don't think the club is ready to pay buy-out.

Fans like that type of guys who play with their energy. I am quite sure, he will be the favourite guy here. Beşiktaş and Dettman can help him to leap himself forward. Like Broekhoff.

Would you be willing to pay him what Zvezda is paying him now? Between 250-300k (don't even ask me who gave him that insane contract). Zvezda wants to get rid of him cause he doesn't fit the system and is very inconsistent. Also we are trying to offload that huge salary. He might be tempted to stay with Zvezda still and fight for roster spot, with that salary. Who knows crazier things have happened.

He is also 25 so you can't expect him to develop much past this point. He can improve his form for sure, and he is a very useful player when playing focused SG/SF hybrid, with good and aggressive defense. When he has his dark minutes though he is extremely destructive to the team. Insane amount of forced shots and penetrations, turnovers, fouls etc. Still I would love him to do well wherever he goes cause he is pure heart!

 

[slice me nice2]

Would you be willing to pay him what Zvezda is paying him now? Between 250-300k (don't even ask me who gave him that insane contract). Zvezda wants to get rid of him cause he doesn't fit the system and is very inconsistent. Also we are trying to offload that huge salary. He might be tempted to stay with Zvezda still and fight for roster spot, with that salary. Who knows crazier things have happened.

He is also 25 so you can't expect him to develop much past this point. He can improve his form for sure, and he is a very useful player when playing focused SG/SF hybrid, with good and aggressive defense. When he has his dark minutes though he is extremely destructive to the team. Insane amount of forced shots and penetrations, turnovers, fouls etc. Still I would love him to do well wherever he goes cause he is pure heart!

His contract is not the problem. 250K is less than what we paid for Broekhoff. However every single $ matters. Paying buy-out doesn't sound realistic to me. That's what we do rarely. I also know, the club management just stops the talks when the clubs ask more than 50K$ for buy-outs. I will be surprised if we pay more than this amount.

He is at most fruitful age where he mixes the experience and energy in same body. We have put a lot of players like him in order in this club. He will reach his maximum here. I don't remember much players whose career went into decline. He will coalesce with fans and turn over a new leaf here. This energetic guy what we need right now though his position is still a question mark for me.

 

[AmonRA2]

Blazic has a very bad shooting mechanism. I never saw him hit open 3s. But at overall he is a good and very promising player with explosive effort.

anyway, in EL he had better stats than Jenkins
Jaka 9,1 ppg(49% for 2, 31% for 3) +2,8 rpg
Jenkins 6,6 ppg(38% for 2, 31% for 3) + 1,3 rpg

But as things now stands, there is no offer from Besiktas for Jaka...

 

[slice me nice2]

This Eurocup game showed us one more time that this team needs a rim protector. Defensively, we are not giving good messages. I hope Dettman will realize the missing part of this team and transfer a tough guy who can defend the painted area. Otherwise, we don't seem so strong. Özmızrak and Darden are doing well in team which are expected to be the important score options throughout the season.

 

[janketa2]

Besiktas is doing ok so far... I like roster and I think they are balanced team with good coach. Better then DD and Karsyaka for sure.