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Ąžuolas Tubelis thread

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Yes, San Antionio Spurs, please do it. It would be a great place for Tubelis, IMO.

The San Antonio Spurs should anticipate a lot of talk about what they’ll do with their likely top-5 pick. However, there should also be some hype around what they may do with their second-round pick this summer. A sneaky good pick at the beginning of the round could be Arizona’s Azuolas Tubelis.

https://projectspurs.com/azuolas-tubelis-prospect-watch-the-learned-lithuanian/
 
Tubelis enters NBA draft. Despite being projected second round option, I think Tubelis is the most NBA ready Lithuanian since Domantas Sabonis (2016). So we gad a glimpse of Kuzminskas, Brazdeikis, Sirvydis, Kulboka in the NBA, as well as Jokubaitis potentially waiting for his chance, but Tubelis, IMO, has very realistic chances to have actual career in NBA. I feel like some team should love him and he may go higher than expected, like very early second round.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id...elis-entering-nba-draft-eyes-breakout-combine​
 
Toruko said:
Its not about being ready or not. The question is what he can give NBA teams on the court. He looks like a decent low post scorer with a good touch, can excel in transition and he looks like to be a good passer in transition and thats pretty much everything he can deliver RIGHT NOW. Considering how old he is a draft in the early second round is impossible.

He looked in his early years to be a very versatile defender but you can forget such a role in the NBA. If he decides to stay in the NBA he will have a bench role all his career long. More probable is that he will try and return to Europe unless he turns to a shooting big a la Lopez.
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​I think it's possible if something will happen like with Sirvydis. Pistons really took a bit of a wild shot taking him 37. They seen something in him. Well, it didn't work. Big deal.

Off course, Tubelis is objectively late second round pick and actually being undrafted is not entirely off question. But I think he will be drafted and can have Songaila's sort of career. A bit of a 2 ways player. Hustles a lot, gives a lot of heart. I doubt Tubelis wouldn't be satisfied being a role player in NBA. Europe always there in case of the failure or being tired with NBA (Mirotic case?).

Anyway, my point is that Tubelis is different case than those recent Lithuanian attempts to make it. Definitely can be usable. If not right away, I think he can stay in the league long years as a bench material. Maybe Domas and Kings success will also increase Tubelis chances. I guy from the bench who can be poor man's Sabonis? Not the worst recipe, IMO.

As for NT, it's good to keep rolling with NBA material at 5.There's continuation after JV and Sabonis. It should be like inevitable for such country as Lithuania.
 
I hear people saying that running the floor and sealing is not gonna work for Tubelis in EL as it works in NCAA with Wildcats. Think again. It's very much possible and Tubelis would be a beast at it cause he's better post player and better at sealing than Mirotic. Running the floor hard and sealing would give a lot points for Tubelis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNdpO7vhJ5g&ab_channel=BallScouting
 
Talking about euroleague and youngsters u-23 is not seriuos talks.

Rising euroleague star winner usually is players with 5pts average and 12 minutes bench player

Euroleague is not for kids. Even good youngsters dont get seriuos roles there.


Biggest europes tallent of last 20 years Wembi played only 15min and average 6 pts in bottom 3 euroleague team and he decided that not for him what he needs right now and decided rightfully not to play in euroleague 2023.



If youngster want to play real minutes he should choose uleb type team not euroleague team

If youngster want to end up in Blazevic,Giedraitis bench 5min role first 1 or 2 seasons he can go to zalgiris
 
I was talking about different thing. I'm simply stating that sealing game in EL exists! Some people saying that Tubelis transition seal game works only in NCAA, but it will work in PRO too. I'm not saying Tubelis next season would be killing in EL, just as 21yo Petrusev had his own issues at first (even though Ataman really took him down). But this season as 22yo (recently turned 23) Petrusev already plays well. I'm just saying that hard and fast running to transition would surely give Tubelis some easy points and he's great at sealing. If there's a great PG next to him (Kerr Kriisa is great NCAA PG) then he will benefit from this. Luckily there's Jokubaitis (and even Marciulionis with whom Tubelis has perfect chemistry since early days) is exactly this.

That EL is not youngsters league it's pretty obvious and it's not gonna change.
 
Going further big with no shot like Tubelis my prediction will be somewhere from Echodas and Gudaitis

Tubelis is not as dominant size wise as JV or Domas is to play bully ball against best men players

You yourself with your examples showing again and again switching is happening around 23-24 age from boy to men and results becomes diffrent
 
Shawshank said:
Going further big with no shot like Tubelis my prediction will be somewhere from Echodas and Gudaitis

Tubelis is not as dominant size wise as JV or Domas is to play bully ball against best men players
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You're not good at evaluating and comparing prospects.

Tubelis has higher upside than Gudaitis (mentioning Echodas name here is complete misunderstanding by your side).

Tubelis has better handles and overall more advanced skills, is a better athlete (quicker, more mobile and so on), better passer and has more shooting in him than Gudaitis, Tubelis has better latter quickness (defensive quickness) than Gudaitis. Gudaitis was drafted 47 in 2015. At that time Tubelis would be sure case first rounder.
 
You got fixated too much on the idea that today 4 and 5 position players are all good shooters. It's not true even with PFs (only few truly great shooters as KD or Markkanen), but specially not true with centers (where I think Tubelis will spend more time than at 4 in his career).

Jokic, Embiid, Sabonis, Adebayo, Davis, Ayton, Lopez, Jarret Allen, Turner, Gobert. That's top 10. Only 50% can shoot.

​Capela, Kessler, Poetlt, Drummond, Valanciunas, Plumplee, Nurkic, Adams, Williams III, Carter Jr, Sengun, Zubac,Achiuwa, Isiah Steward, Looney, Wiseman and so on and so on...All these top 30 NBA centers can't shoot...

Tubelis can have a heck of career a center. Not necessary as a starter, but as a good back-up for sure. Or he will be a beast in EL...

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Tubelis gets invited to NBA Combine. The camp of best prospects. Rubstavicius (probably because of playoffs or generally) and Lelevicius didn't receive invitation.

Kings has 24, 37, 54 picks this summer. I tend to think that Domas' guidance would be great for Azuolas. He would learn a lot. Sabonis would teach him perfect working ethics and facilitation game. In 2 years Kinds would have poor man's Sabonis off the bench.

https://twitter.com/anthony22fk/status/1656639906750316545

This guy made absolutely spot on take on Tubelis:

https://twitter.com/anthony22fk/status/1656639906750316545
 
With that said, if I'm King's GM I'm taking Bona if possible. Kings needs real defensive force at 5 as a back up.

But as LTU NT fan I want Tubelis under Sabonis guidance. And Tubelis is a decent/solid defender still.
 
So Tubelis height without shoes is 205cm. Just as he left Vilnius basically. Wingspan 6'11. In the NBA combine first day he was the only one to shoot 100% FTs. That's very positive. Also he shot mid range jimmies off the dribble well - 53,3% (third best in the camp). But heavily struggled with shooting threes off the dribble (no surprise), only 7/25 (28%), but shot better threes from spot up (36%).

With this size Tubelis will have more mobility than most centers. And he will be able to play some 4, surely. I like that he's not another 7 footer. We need bigs who step out aggressively and even play some switch all.

Tubelis and Sedekerskis should be pretty nice at defensive.

https://www.basketnews.lt/news-1895...ykloje-atskleistas-tikrasis-tubelio-ugis.html
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ_MloIK7pE&t=190s

Its like watching mini Domas version from Warriors series .Same uncomfortable body language 5 meters from basket when his defender dont even think to come closer.


God help NT fans if after 5 years watching Jonas+Domas,NT fans gonna watch in 2025-2028 Domas+Tubelis non shooting tandem



If NT coaches learn anything from Sacramento Kings put SF type player at PF position if want to see best Domas version,when Valanciunas is on bench.

Putting non shooter big near Domas even in Valanciunas rest time i would have no words to describe that.
 
The most important thing is to understand that JV has to play as much as Domas needs rest at 5.

Tubelis will be a nice back-up for Domas at 5, and maybe one of these as a third center - Krivas, Blazevic, Birutis.

At 4 we'll see Buzelis, Murauskas, Sedekerskis
 
Domas backup in 2025-2028 sure

But play them together horrible fit just horrible


Nt have enough not shooting lineups in 15minutes our tin towers is in together,i would even cut to 10min them together.

Remaining 25-30 minutes must be Domas and 4 shooters or Jonas and 4 shooters depending on matchups and faul trouble situations and so on



I dont see what Tubelis will do in 2023-2024 NT.

If he want to be 2015 Domas project version on bench sure he can do that for getting some valuable experience from inside how everything looks and feels.




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I think Maksvytis has to decide his mind on NT hierarchy. We have 2 NBA center and one is way better. All NBA, it's not even comparison. Sure, JV can score, but Sabonis overall is way better cause he makes others better and NT play differently with him. Maksvytis has to understand that JV is nothing but Sabonis buck up now.

Playing Sabonis at 4 is just not working. We need to try to play Sedekerskis/Kuzminskas full time there. Both can hit open three. Sabonis can't.

Tubelis' definitely could go as 5th big, and to have Echodas minutes.
 
5th big = it means future project version.Im fine with that. But Tubelis at PF no thank you.



Everybody understands that it doesnt work including coaches,but they wont play 2nd best player just 8minutes,its simply not happening and no coach will go this way


Especially when Valanciunas with his plays shows :simply there is matchups where Jonas is better option .

Sabonis and Valanciunas level diffrence this is not Jasikevicius and Ginevicius.

Its more like Macijauskas and Siskauskas.In some matchup one is better vs other teams other to play at SG.
 
In my opinion it should be 26 minutes for Sabonis and 14 minutes for JV at 5. If they play together, we can extend their minutes to 31mpg for Domas and 19mpg for JV. That would make perfect sense to me. We shouldn't play them together for more than 5 minutes.

More like Jasikevicius and Kalnietis. That would be proper comparison. In the NT both played very well, but Jasikevicius still better. One was EL star, other - just EL player.

Now about Tubelis. Personally I don't care much if he makes the team, just want to see him the camp. More serious playing time should come as soon as 2025. But here's his plans about his club future. I guess Zalgiris is out of question. He wants to play. Compares himself with "faster Sabonis" and Hartenstein​:

“I just don’t want to sit on the bench,” Tubelis said. “So if something goes wrong, I would go to where I was playing. I want to be a role player, not the 10 to 11 player who sits on the bench.

“Right now it’s more important than money. I’m 21 years old. I have enough money.”

https://tucson.com/sports/arizonawi...tm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share&id=201408

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