Ąžuolas Tubelis thread

[Hepcat2]

So emotional psychopath has calmed down....

Emotional psychopath? What the hell? Just because Straightforward has strong opinions on Lithuanian basketball and isn't afraid to post them and argue about them doesn't constitute evidence that he's an emotional psychopath.



He should give this grammar business a rest though. I don't expect Shawshank's (or anybody's) English to be perfect here. I mean even I make mistakes, particularly if you forced me to post in Lithuanian, French or Latin for example.

 

[Straight forward2]

Tubelis stays in Arizona for another season:

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1516855520518356999

 

[Toruko2]

Draft chances must be low if he decides to stay at Arizona for another season.

 

[Straight forward2]

Draft chances must be low if he decides to stay at Arizona for another season.

It is. But also he feels like all he needs a stage to progress. Like proving that he cans shoot which he declares. He should have huge role next season.

 

[Hepcat2]

It is. But also he feels like all he needs a stage to progress. Like proving that he cans shoot which he declares.

What would impress me more is if more of these NCAA basketball players would prove that they can graduate with a degree, e.g. Artūras Karnišovas. Colleges after all (even American ones) are ostensibly academic institutions.

 

[Straight forward2]

Tubelis' season highlights. Explosiveness in some possessions. He polished his post game nicely in 2 years in college (prior it he didn't have it in Lithuania basically). His open court speed is impressive. I see him as really important piece in a long run via NT member. Not only he can hurt you offensively (despite shooting issues), but he's true defensive big ever since...god knows...cause we never had great defensive bigs. Javtokas was good, Jankunas was solid, but none of them were lightening quick. Tubelis has better feet work than both of these guys so he's one of essential pieces to solve Lithuania's defensive issues. With him, we will surely can play aggressive step outs and to switch all comfortably.

If we will have a heck of an offense in the backcourt (let's say some Jokubaitis, Brazdeikis, Buzelis), I like having a guys like Tubelis and Sedekerskis at the frontline (and later Krivas too). Defensive bigs are something that we didn't see for a long time. Tubelis should play a big role here, specially when JV will decline and he will play substantial minutes and FC position. Tubelis may be the most complete defensive big ever since Tomas Masiulis, but with much higher offensive profile than the latter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBvEDBApWNM&ab_channel=O,Dangau!

 

[Hepcat2]

Tubelis ... he's true defensive big ever since...god knows....

Tubelis may be the most complete defensive big ever since Tomas Masiulis....

At only 6'11", Ąžuolas Tubelis is somewhat undersized to be a true intimidator on defence in the paint.

 

[Straight forward2]

At only 6'11", Ąžuolas Tubelis is somewhat undersized to be a true intimidator on defence in the paint.

But it's a trend basically. To have a mobile center rather than lanky, slow lad in the paint. Besides I probably still see Tubelis playing 4 more frequently than 5.

 

[Toruko2]

6'11 is totally ok for a center. His problem is that he has no feelings in his fingers. This makes him a bad ft shooter let alone a 3 point shooter. This is a far more of a problem than being 6'11 but he doesnt look like 6'11 but 6'10. His legs are fast enough.

 

[Hepcat2]

Besides I probably still see Tubelis playing 4 more frequently than 5.

To play PF he needs to develop a better shot.

 

[Straight forward2]

6'11 is totally ok for a center. His problem is that he has no feelings in his fingers. This makes him a bad ft shooter let alone a 3 point shooter. This is a far more of a problem than being 6'11 but he doesnt look like 6'11 but 6'10. His legs are fast enough.

Something like 6'10 with shoes, yes. He improved his FG % though. His touch is inconsistent rather than non-existant I would say. I

To play PF he needs to develop a better shot.

At least to Jankunas level, true. But he can do it probably. Just 20yo still. If he reaches some 32-34%, he cal live with that.

 

[Hepcat2]

So you believe Ąžuolas Tubelis can develop to the point where he joins the Gintaras Einikis, Darius Songaila, Kšyštof Lavrinovič, Linas Kleiza and Paulius Jankūnas pantheon of great Team Lietuva PFs?

 

[Shawshank2]

In Fiba smaller courts players with no stable shot is dream for defenses since 2017 (after Warriors changed basketball playing style).

Coaches will say with that player we can risk and say to that defender go such defensive position to take away what they like to do.

We saw that manny times with Jonas and Domas how defences say sure shoot if you can make that long 2 ,but not easy shots from inside.

what worked for former bigs before 2010 it doesnt mean it will work 2020s going further.

Basketball before 2010 was played with 2 huge bodies most of the time by everybody.Thats not the case in 2020s

 

[Toruko2]

Something like 6'10 with shoes, yes. He improved his FG % though. His touch is inconsistent rather than non-existant I would say. I

Sure, he can improve but he will never reach the level of a solid outside shooter. You can see it every time when he releases the ball, there is no feeling at all. He has a Calathes level finger feeling. His face up push shot floater mix looks different. A guy without a solid ft shot is always a big target in crunch times.

 

[Straight forward2]

So you believe Ąžuolas Tubelis can develop to the point where he joins the Gintaras Einikis, Darius Songaila, Kšyštof Lavrinovič, Linas Kleiza and Paulius Jankūnas pantheon of great Team Lietuva PFs?

All mentioned players are very different. But generally, yes, I expect Tubelis to become starting level FC (forward center), and primarily PF.

In Fiba smaller courts players with no stable shot is dream for defenses since 2017 (after Warriors changed basketball playing style).

Coaches will say with that player we can risk and say to that defender go such defensive position to take away what they like to do.

We saw that manny times with Jonas and Domas how defences say sure shoot if you can make that long 2 ,but not easy shots from inside.

what worked for former bigs before 2010 it doesnt mean it will work 2020s going further.

Basketball before 2010 was played with 2 huge bodies most of the time by everybody.Thats not the case in 2020s

Only time till well, but we should also understand that Tubelis is a bit different even than Sabonis. He has better lateral quickness than Domas, he attacks the basket face to the basket more I would say, and he runs in open court as deer, surely at small forward's pace. Without shoes he's something like 206cm. IDK, how it will work, but I wouldn't claim that his type of PFs have no future at all, specially if he will be able to hit open threes with +30 %.

Sure, he can improve but he will never reach the level of a solid outside shooter. You can see it every time when he releases the ball, there is no feeling at all. He has a Calathes level finger feeling. His face up push shot floater mix looks different. A guy without a solid ft shot is always a big target in crunch times.

He won't be solid, but he can be decent. He's a nice asset for the NT nevertheless, IMO.

 

[Shawshank2]

i said 5 years ago here Domas when he will mature and will be finished product he will center thats what happend.You again imagine him as PF because you trying to put players in position NT needs,not look objectively what they are.

Neither Domas or Tubelis objectively looking are PF,neither Brazdeikis is SG.


You cant take huge dude at 18 and think he gonna always be that fast. When he will be 25+ such huge men will be not that fast and mobile .

Domas and JV was way faster too when they were 18 old than lets say 25-26 they are/were.

Its normal the bigger the dude the faster he starts to lose his speed. Injuries also plays the part in this.

At 18 not speed shows what kind position players he will be .Skills shows way more

 

[Straight forward2]

i said 5 years ago here Domas when he will mature and will be finished product he will center thats what happend.You again imagine him as PF because you trying to put players in position NT needs,not look objectively what they are.

Neither Domas or Tubelis objectively are PF,neither Brazdeikis is SG.

I can say same about Tubelis when he will mature and will be finished product his main position will be center.

You cant take hude dude at 18 and think he gonna always be that fast. When he will be 25+ such huge men will be not that fast and mobile .

Domas and JV was way faster too when they were 18 old than lets say 25-26 they are/were.

Its normal the bigger the dude the faster he starts to lose his speed. Injuries also plays the part in this.

At 18 not speed shows what kind position players he will be .Skills shows way more

Not exactly.

JV yes, he was faster as 17-19yo. But he was super lean, skinny. Tubelis is bulked since 18yo. He can move with beefy ass. He doesn't need to add much more weight, his weight is optimal already. He has to work on current muscle, but not to add more. Sabonis I think didn't lose much of his super young days speed. He never added too much weight, just became even more ripped. Even today he's pretty much as fast as he was 18yo, the difference is not substantial as in JV's case. Even in Gonzaga days he was playing more as a center, specially second year.

Sure, it's very likely that Tubelis will become defensive big who can't shoot. How much shooting he will add will determine this. But even if so, it's nice to have athletic, agile defensive center.

 

[Straight forward2]

ESPN has Tubelis at the end of the second round in 2023 draft (56th). I somehow think that if he will get to the NBA (whatever way) he will make his impact felt instantly. He does too many things well. I have no doubt he would impress coaches. IMO, Tubelis has much higher floor than many prospects in 2022 and 2023. Some high ceiling will not pan out, while floor is floor.
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/in...ing-next-summer-victor-wembanyama-sweepstakes

 

[Toruko2]

ESPN has Tubelis at the end of the second round in 2023 draft (56th). I somehow think that if he will get to the NBA (whatever way) he will make his impact felt instantly. He does too many things well. I have no doubt he would impress coaches. IMO, Tubelis has much higher floor than many prospects in 2022 and 2023. Some high ceiling will not pan out, while floor is floor.
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/in...ing-next-summer-victor-wembanyama-sweepstakes

lol even Tarik Biberovic is on 51. hahahah

 

[Straight forward2]

lol even Tarik Biberovic is on 51. hahahah

Finally Mike Schmitz heard you