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Ąžuolas Tubelis thread

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Tubelis' exceeds Domas Sabonis' second year in Gonzaga PER 40. Particularly in points and assists (24,6pts, 4,1as), Domas' (22pts, 2,2as). But Domas was more dominant rebounder (14,8rbs), Tubelis (10,7).

I'm a bit surprised that Tubelis is so low in the draft mocks. He's either at the end of second round or out. Positional size, being tweener is worrysome, but he deserves a bit more praise, IMO. 4th most impactful college player in the country, ahead of Paolo Banchero ATM:
https://twitter.com/EvanMiya/status/1495414194048585731/photo/1

Can Tubelis be better at something than Sabonis? 2 things. Defence and running the floor with the ball in the open court (attacking face to the basket). But generally Domas had higher ceiling off course.

Look at that running, he will outrun all our bigs in the camp :D (IMO, he will be in EB camp already)
https://twitter.com/ArizonaMBB/status/1495539226091397122
 
If Tubelis will add three point shooting in upcoming 2 years, watch out. He'll be a flat out NBA starter. IMO, he will stay in NCAA for another season or even 2. All he needs now is to polish his jumper hell or high water cause he has everything else.

Also, if he does develop at least a decent jumper, we'll have an answer of starting level 4 in the NT.
 
Straight forward said:
Nope. JV never could run the floor like Tubelis. Let alone having anything close to Tubelis' handles. Not sure why you even mention him in this context.
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Because I remember him running the floor well in international youth tournaments. These are the best video clips I can find on a right now basis:

 
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[video=youtube;MgLSCbNw-oE]https://www.youtube. videos than the above om/watch?v=MgLSCbNw-oE[/video]

I'm sure Madmax could show you better videos than the above.

I was actually really surprised when the Toronto Raptors took away Valančiūnas' running game to focus instead on him becoming simply a physical presence in the low post despite the fact that he's never had the size or strength of legendary post players such as Wilt Chamberlain or Arvydas Sabonis.

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again dinosour expert is predicting things: Tubelis flat out nba starter jeazz :)

We heard similiar stories last 3-4 years how Sedekerskis,Kulboka,Sirvydis,Velicka,D.Giedraitis and so on gonna put our NT in diffrent level compared to 2010s.

He started talking like that in 2018 when first fiba window games started. Most of those young dudes cant even make NT 4 years later...let alone about carrying our NT anywhere.

The dinosour expert things everybody is Gasol or Doncic and will outplay best fiba men at age of 20. Thats only shows he dont get huge diffrence between best fiba men and kids tournaments.


Now he found another group with Tubelis,Marciulionis,Buzelis and so on he again starting same predicting game :) in 2years those kids will bla bla :)


He will ignore what history shown how long it took for those 1998-2000 born kids to make men NT.

But again will tell us stories how we gonna have multiple kids age of 19-21 in same men NT playing and also winning .Dreamer is dreamer they wont change.
 
Shawshank, why you're lacking precision so badly? Do you do it consciously or not? Because if not, it makes you look kinda silly. You literally misread everything and made up bunch on things out of your mind. But I'm not angry, I know it's your vice and you can't help it. I don't have an aim to change you either, but I think everyone should strive to be wise and such outbursts and inadequate replies just shows that you're not on a right track. You're mixing everything up like crazy, providing nothing but your own narrative. It has nothing to do with my points. It's actually sad that one of the most consistent posters here is not able to consistently follow my message. No problem, I can clear it out for you, just read it first carefully before replying. Other ways it just meaningless, I can instantly say when you replying without proper attention and consideration of what you read. Don't jump to conclusions and don't make up others points. Read the points.

I'll make it italic for you that you wouldn't lose your focus.

If Tubelis improves his jumper, he can be an NBA starter or at least very solid bench player. On what basis you trying to object this? Provide arguments, please.

Where's the problem with my projection that such players as Sedekerskis, Kulboka, Velicka, Brazdeikis, Jokubaitis, Sirvydis, D. Giedraitis (I put it chronologically by age group) will prevail as NT players and this is really nice talent pool for our standards? This is deep 1998-2000 stretch of prospects. I still think all of these guys can reach NT level, and actually Jokubaitis, Brazdeikis, Sedekerskis, Kulboka already reached it, more or less. That doesn't mean that all of them should be in 2022 EB roster, but the level wise their are up to senior NT level already.

It doesn't matter when these prospects prevail. It's extremely hard to project precise timing when a player will prevail. Even best NBA scouts can't do it consistently. Your accusations that you said "this player will change this and that in 2 years" is kinda funny. Nor you remember what and when I was exactly projecting, nor it's realistic to get everything on the spot, specially timing of player's maturity.

Generally all my projections were spot on, more or less. Exactly, more or less...

Where did I miss? I expected more from Sedekerskis, but less from Jokubaitis. The former in my book had to be more better player as 24yo, the latter had to be worse at this age (Rokas' development is sensational). I also thought that Sirvydis will develop a bit more quicker, but I believe already today he's a very strong boderliner. I gave too much credit for Kulboka in 2019/2020 season, but he already reached NT level (he's there with Bendzius, Olisevicius, E. Zukauskas and such...not even mentioning Masiulis who is inferior compared to Kulboka).

Did I expected too much from 1998-2020 generation as you claim? It's hard to say. On one hand, I expected that Sedekerskis will be flat out starting level SF for the NT today, but on other hand Jokubaitis exceeds all expectations wildly and basically stands as game changer already (proves over and over again making clutch plays for Barsa). More or less, my projection is spot on.

Compared to 4-5 years ago, I have one very precise change in my take on basketball. Today I emphasize the meaning of individuals much more. If you get one star player or true starting level piece it's huge! It's much more important that to have really long bench, IMO. And when you, Shawshank, always emphasize those age groups that stand at 27-30yo ATM, it's not a good way to go. That's irrelevant compared to the question how many true standouts you have. Those standouts my be from that age group or from any other - it doesn't matter much. F.e. 2 of our 3 best players in 2022 will be out of that 27-30yo age group (Sabonis, Jokubaitis).

When we have Jokubaitis from 1998-2000 generation, it's already like finding a gold. It's a heck of a wealthy crop. And other guys will add some too.

Just try not to mix everything up and don't put your own words into other poster's mouth.

Besides, it's Jeez, not jeazz, it's dinosaur not dinosour, and it's thinks not things :)
 
dinosour expert its hard isnt to be shown u were wrong and accept that ? :)

Thats shows when person goes from basketball topic to grammar or text understanding.

First of i dont read you rants you write here 30 post per week,but when u wright so much i see from time to time what if/maybe nonsenses u are predicting here.

Secondly why Tubelis will not be flat out nba starter ? maybe because Lithuania have only 6 such level players in their peak overall in rich ltu basketball history?

its same nonsense as saying that one top usa tallent kids will be next lebron james and add if he will just add one element like brain :)

Jokubaitis 2021 is same as Kleiza 2006,Valanciunas 2011,Sabonis 2016 every 5 years ltu have generational tallent that can play in NT at 20. And those are/was head and shoulders better than all other his generation kids.

I said to you history says those not generational tallents makes NT somewhere around 23-25 thats what exactly happend with 1998-2000 boys.

And when i said to you that all those 19kids will have wait and mature and make NT at 23-24 you were telling i how dare to predict such things for most tallented ltu kids.

Its simple data thats repeats again and again no need to be genius to get it.

But when you get cant out of your buble in your own brain and dont see simple facts nobody will help you.

But yeah sure you were mole less right about 1998-2000 boys :) wake up men

One generational tallent maded,other still waiting for their debut.

When next time again you will telling me tales how 20-21 kids can help men NT that wants to fight for semifinals place i will say thats bullshit and 1998-2000 only shown that.

And no if players dont make NT he isnt NT level player. Stop dreaming and see clear facts jeazas christ.
 
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I think you're getting old too fast and showing your grumpy and unducated side recently without any shame. If you don't respect grammar and can't put down coherence sentence, there's no much room for discussion. Some of your positions are either poorly articulated and written or inadequate.

I never wrote that all prospects will make NT as 20yo.

So if Lithuania had 6 NBA starters it means that no-one now has a chance to become a starter? (and off course it's not 6, you couldn't count even that. Prime Rooney, Sabonis, Ilgauskas, Kleiza, Valanciunas, Motiejunas, Sabonis were all starting level players)

So in basketball there's no "ifs"? All the twitter and all the NBA basketball is all about the ifs you narrow minded provincial...Basketball would be boring without projections and expectations. You alone in your previous post made bunch of projections it's just that you're not smart enough to realize it.

So three decades of Lithuanian basketball history is universal paradigm according to which you will unfold all the future of our BB? Everything will inevitably repeat?

Jokubaitis is only now generational talent according to you. When I said that 18-19yo Jokubaitis should be in the NT radar already, you called me complete lunatic. It always pops into your head when it's too obvious, when it bumps into your nose.

So when Kaukenas was cut by Sireika in 2004 he was not NT material? So Sedekerskis is not NT material and G. Masiulis is cause he made it?

So NT players are only those who show up in the knock out stage (let's say coach using 8 players rotation in some case) and others (like 4) are not non existant? Stop creating new vocabulary here, it's 12 guys who make NT.

You mean I have to see these facts that 19yo Jokubaitis is close NT only in my dreams? Lekavicius is "uleb" player? That after Kalnietis and Seibutis Lithuania will have worse guards? That Normantas and Skucas will take down Doncic from prophylactic point of view in Eurobasket 2022? No, thanks "Men" I don't need these facts :D

And it's, MAN, not MEN.

"Men" are plural. I'm individual, so you have to address "man" to me or any other individual. You don't realize how silly you look with such first class mistakes.

I think you should start reading books or something cause you're so lost. Your conclusion with JEAZAS sums it up perfectly...:)
 
So emotional psychopath has calmed down and started to teach English grammar in basketball forum. Nice :)
 
Dreamcatcher said:
So emotional psychopath has calmed down and started to teach English grammar in basketball forum. Nice :)
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You still didn't answer my question whenever you support Putin's bloodshed or condemn it. As long as you keep silent you are brainwashed vatnik to me. State your position or get the fuck out of here.
 
Straight forward said:
You still didn't answer my question whenever you support Putin's bloodshed or condemn it. As long as you keep silent you are brainwashed vatnik to me. State your position or get the fuck out of here.
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First of all, i clearly remember i stated that war was horrible. It means i don't support Putin's or any other bloodshed. Secondly, the creepy thing is that you tend to teach others to be a decent poster in spite of the fact that you are an unstable one yourself:
1. When smth happens you frequently become emotional psychopath. For example like insulting me so randomly last time. I don't complain (i don't care), but if the forum would be active and moderator would be alive here, you would be deservedly banned for a while.
2. You brought many politics here. Again, there wasn't a mod to delete all that off topic. Isn't this not enough in Lith sites?
3. You speak on behalf of the forum again. Wtf? You are not even a mod here. Just an active user who pretend himself to be a solid poster, but occasionally goes nuts because of his emotionally unstable psyche or whatever.
 
Dreamcatcher said:
First of all, i clearly remember i stated that war was horrible. It means i don't support Putin's or any other bloodshed. Secondly, the creepy thing is that you tend to teach others to be a decent poster in spite of the fact that you are an unstable one yourself:
1. When smth happens you frequently become emotional psychopath. For example like insulting me so randomly last time. I don't complain (i don't care), but if the forum would be active and moderator would be alive here, you would be deservedly banned for a while.
2. You brought many politics here. Again, there wasn't a mod to delete all that off topic. Isn't this not enough in Lith sites?
3. You speak on behalf of the forum again. Wtf? You are not even a mod here. Just an active user who pretend himself to be a solid poster, but occasionally goes nuts because of his emotionally unstable psyche or whatever.
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You know very well when my reaction to you became hostile. When you stated that Ukrainians actually commit genocide. This is clear indication that you are affected by Kremlin's propaganda. When the bombs are being thrown over all Ukraine and kills innocent people and children, you actually buy Putin's nonsense about nazi Ukraine...Do you really expect friendliness after this?
 
Straight forward said:
So Sedekerskis is not NT material and G. Masiulis is cause he made it?
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No, Tadas Sedekerskis was NOT national team material in 2021. He was good enough to get an invitation to camp but not good enough to make the cut.

Gytis Masiulis was just good enough to make the cut, an eleventh or twelfth man.

It's about time you accepted reality. Sedekerskis was simply not good enough.

:rolleyes:
 
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