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Argentines in the NBA 2007-08

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robbe said:
18 points and 14 rebounds for Luis in a victoy over Denver. Scola is rolling, as are the Yao-less Rockets. 15 in a row.
Yes. Scola is doing great. Everybody knows he's a great player, but honestly, is any big man going to have phenomenal statistics next to Yao? The answer is "no." Now that Yao is gone, Scola can show his real worth to the statistics-hungry NBA scene. And he's shown it.

...the only problem is that McGrady, Battier, and Scola aren't enough to help the Rockets stay in the play-offs. McGrady will be injured in about a half hour, so that'll leave Battier and Scola as the only two legitimate NBA starters on the team.
 
Scola is one of the best centers/pf of the world, but he's still adjusting to the style of NBA and that takes some time, despite that he's showing already that with minutes and confidence he can be one of the important players of the league, he cant substitute Yao right now (we are talking about probably the best center of the league here).
In a couple of years or even sooner, his level will increase as he will be more confortable in the court, and then, he coud take the full responsabily on the paint of an important team. Anyway imo with the same ammount of minutes that people like Horford or Durant has had in their teams, i think that he could have had many more chances of being the ROY.
 
I agree with you, Zyrus, except that I still don't believe veteran players like Scola should be allowed to have the Rookie of the Year award. :D One reason that Scola doesn't get much attention from the NBA media (although a lot of commentators love him), is that he's not a "sexy" player. He's great, but he won't go for the hot slam dunks like Durant.

Andres Nocioni: 20 points (7-9), 6 rebounds in a win over Memphis.
 
Manu MVP talk:
Power Rankings -- March 4, 2008, by Johnny Ludden, Yahoo! Sports

If the All-Star break has come and gone, the rodeo’s left town and Brent Barry’s been told he’s traded (this time for real), then the San Antonio Spurs must be making their annual springtime march up the NBA standings.

The Spurs have traditionally saved their best for last, and this season seems no different. Manu Ginobili’s never played better, Tim Duncan’s 20-and-10 steady and Tony Parker appears to have regained some of his heath. Barry’s even coming back after he completes his month-long sabbatical.....

1. (2) San Antonio Spurs – Is this the first season Manu Ginobili gets more MVP votes than Tim Duncan?

....
 
mvblair said:
I agree with you, Zyrus, except that I still don't believe veteran players like Scola should be allowed to have the Rookie of the Year award. :D One reason that Scola doesn't get much attention from the NBA media (although a lot of commentators love him), is that he's not a "sexy" player. He's great, but he won't go for the hot slam dunks like Durant.

Absolutely, Scola is effective and practical, but not spectacular at all. He doesnt slam, doesnt try to do complicate things or to look for the impossible shoot or pass, he just go out there and do his job the best that he can. And probably for this, he doesnt get all the propaganda he should get, but still, i think that with time he will get the recognition he deserves (although as u say many people, probably the smartest ones, :D in the league have already showed his respect and his admitration for his work).
 
17 points, 4 rebounds, 4 assists, 3 steals for Delfino in an overtime lost to Washington. Delfino is starting to get a lot of minutes in Toronto. He seems to be their new 6th man.
 
Argentinean paper La Nación published a long article noting that Argentina's NBA legion is possibly the best among foreigners. That is, it has the highest combined scoring average (61.9, followed by Serbia's 55.9) and second in rebounding (26.8, right behind Serbia's 26.9).

Not bad for a country that didn't have a NBA player until 2001.
 
I've heard Luis Scola's name mentioned several times on sports radio this week. Even the great loud-mouth Stephen A. Smith was praising Scola for his defense and offense and the way he's helped the Rockets. Today, Scola has the "splash" image on http://sports.yahoo.com/nba. He's becoming very popular!!
 
A media note:
Scola Essential To Rockets -- March 13, 2008, by Stan McNeal, SportingNews

Luis Scola learned he had become the Rockets’ starting power forward at a shootaround in late January. “Coach told me to go over there with the whites (jerseys). If you wear a white jersey, you’re a starter,” Scola said during a phone conversation Wednesday.

No big thing. Tracy McGrady was due out that night with the flu, and coach Rick Adelman was looking for someone to help give the team a quick start. Out went Chuck Hayes, in came the energetic Argentinean.

Twenty games later, Scola is still starting and the Rockets have become a very big thing. They have had not lost since Scola joined the lineup at power forward. Their 83-75 victory at Atlanta Wednesday night stretched their winning streak to 20, matching the second-longest streak in NBA history (Bucks, 1971). Not bad for a team that began the new year 15-17 and wondering if it even would get into the playoff race.

Don’t expect Scola to take much credit for his starting having much to do with the Rockets’ winning streak, though. “It wasn’t a big deal when I was a backup and everyone was asking me when I was going to start, so I can’t make it a big deal now that I am starting,” he says.

Scola, 27, credits the Rockets’ rise to good defense (the Rockets are holding opponents to 41.3 percent shooting and 89.3 points during the streak entering Wednesday’s game), sharing the ball (“When someone isn’t hitting, we have been finding someone else to step in,” he says.) and becoming accustomed to Adelman’s system (“We had new players, a new coach and a new system,” Scola says. “It was only a matter of time before we started coming together”).

Scola may be an NBA rookie, but he is no stranger to success in pro hoops. He was MVP last summer at the Tournament of Americas, despite Argentina’s loss to the U.S. in the championship. He was the leading scorer for gold medal-winning Argentina at the 2004 Olympics. He twice was named the Spanish League MVP during his seven seasons with Tau Ceramica.

Though this is his first year living in America, Scola has no trouble communicating in English. Check his answer to a question I asked him Wednesday morning, and you can see he has learned to handle potentially sticky questions from the media.

Me: “Which would mean more, winning the Finals or Olympic gold this summer?”

Scola: “I want to win both.”


The way the Rockets are going since Scola became a starter, he certainly has an opportunity for at least one of the two.
 
It's no secret that Nocioni hasn't been playing very much for the Bulls, even though many, many, many commentators (especially on ESPN) think he's their best player. I guess things got ugly on Saturday:
Nocioni fined for his outburst -- March 24, 2008, K.C. Johnson, Chicago Tribune

Andres Nocioni and Jim Boylan literally kissed and made up Monday, with the Bulls' interim coach hamming it up for the TV cameras and kissing the forward he fined on the head as Nocioni addressed the media.

The Bulls fined Nocioni an undisclosed amount on Monday for berating Boylan after he got pulled from a short stint in Saturday's home loss to the Pacers. Nocioni apologized without taking questions Saturday night but sat for a lengthy interview session on Monday and reiterated his regret for his uncharacteristic team-destructive outburst.

"I'm frustrated with myself right now and I'm frustrated with everything," Nocioni said. "When something's not going the right direction, you want it go the right direction and it's difficult. I think I'm not playing my minutes because I'm not playing well.

When I go to the game, I'm not bringing my energy and I'm not playing like the way I used to play. I don't know why. I don't have any explanation for it."
Most of the blog comments support Nocioni. My favorite:
The whole incident is probably just a minor flare-up, but for the last two years Nocioni has been the most consistent guy, at least in terms of solid effort and positive attitude. I'd rather just forget about this one, because Noce doesn't seem like a troublemaker, but if stand-up guys like him are starting to lose it, then this team is really sliding into the toilet.
It's true. The Bulls have been really bad this year. I'm not sure why. They almost won the Eastern Conference last year. I guess the coaching problems with Skiles were bad (so naturally the GM replaced Skiles with a worse coach) and some players were upset about Ben Wallace's big contract, but I don't know what the real problems were.
 
robbe said:
Scola had 18 points, 18 boards and three steals yesterday against Minnesota.
Wow. Scola is a real monster. He's so good. I really wish Cleveland had picked him up last summer when we had a chance. San Antonio is foolish for trading him.
 
mvblair said:
Wow. Scola is a real monster. He's so good. I really wish Cleveland had picked him up last summer when we had a chance. San Antonio is foolish for trading him.

Yeah, that was really incomprehensible. I dont know who was the scout or the staff member that said that he wasnt worth to sign him in the team and use his money to have Elson (for example) in the team, but whoever he was, it is obvious for me that he hadnt seen not even 2 single games of TAU on the last 4 years. :p
 
Neozyrus said:
Yeah, that was really incomprehensible. I dont know who was the scout or the staff member that said that he wasnt worth to sign him in the team and use his money to have Elson (for example) in the team, but whoever he was, it is obvious for me that he hadnt seen not even 2 single games of TAU on the last 4 years. :p
Indeed. And it is quite suprising, as the Spurs have done a very good job over the years evaluating international talent. Scola would have been a wonderful addition, as he can play behind and alongside Duncan.

Imagine a Scola, Duncan, Oberto, Thomas, Horry frontline. As good as it gets in terms of quality, toughness and experience.
 
It is not about scouting, it is about their schemes and paying luxury-tax.
Their primary goal was not to exceed/move over the salary cap.
And one more thing: Spurs management wasn`t sure about Duncan/Scola duo.
They thought they aren`t complement each other...:mad:

That`s the story.;)

But you gotta be insane to send extremely dangerous offensive weapon to Houston, division competitor.:p :rolleyes: :confused:
Their only effective big guy is Duncan, other guys are not consistent, so it makes this trade more weird.

However, Scola > Oberto, Bonner, old Horry, Elson.:)
 
I think Scola was telling the Spurs were breaking his career, that's why they let him go.
But they are still good at scouting international talent. And most of the players they fired this year I think went to Aris, coached by Gordon Herbert, who is also scout for the Spurs.
 
Yeah, the Spurs have the best European scouts in the world. I think it comes from Popovich's open-mindedness toward scouting. They've made a few mistakes (like letting go of Scola, Udrih). But their successes in scouting European club offenses and players has paid off greatly. Just consider that Ginobili, Parker, Javtokas, Splitter, Mahini and their signing of international players like Oberto, Rasho, and Turkoglu.

Anyhow, it was stupid of them to let go of Scola. Like Jugo said, he's better than any of their other PFs.
 
No doubt about the scouting habilities of the Spurs, the draft picks and the trades that you have said speak by themselves.
Its without any doubt one of the teams where an european player would love to play because of his level and because of the "friendly" enviroment.

Anyway thats precisely what makes things even worse ;). If it would have been Detroit for example, that doesnt have a tradition of trusting in european players, it maybe could be more understandable, but the Spurs, that are supposed to be the best european scouters of the NBA (with Toronto maybe), and they let go the most dominant (with Vujcic) center (pf) that has played there during the last 5 years? Well, we all make mistakes. :)
 
Scola set a new career-high: 24 pts (+ 7 rebs). The Rockets ended up losing to the Spurs 88-109.
 
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