Arabs in Turkey: Lebanon CAN - Tunis CAN'T - Jordan THE DARK HORSE

[daniab2]

Thank you. This is exactly what i meant. Keep finding excuses when you lose, referee, lack of Chemistry, lack of preperation. Where were all those excuses before ASIA 2009? Didn't you say that you will crush all teams with your new import players?

As for you daniab, no we are not going to Istanbul to do shopping, we are going there to try our best to win and impress however there is a big differene between our case and yours, your team lost heavily to Jordan twice and was beaten by China twice as well, i think we agree also that your team did not perform superbly in ASIA, so before you go on and claim that you will beat this and that in the worldcup you have first to solve your problems and build a powerful and competitive rooster then and only then we will all agree that you will have the chance to qualify to the second round. The problem with you_ and i'm intitled to my opinion is that you are so good at talking but when you lose you are second to none in finding excuses just as like your dear friend rtk04 did in the above post.

If you are not optimistic about your team,its your right.For us,we are dreaming and its our right,in 2006 we dreamed and we won 2 games and you were mocking our team before winning this 2 games.
If you read all our comments,we said that Canada and New Zealand are good teams but we have a chance,i invite you to read the thread "Lebanon in Group D" to see what all Lebanese members are saying before coming and insulting us!

 

[lebanese phoenix2]

just to add to what dani said, its true we didint perform good at the asian cup, and we dont deny it, we barely gave half of what we could, because with the roster we had, it really should've been a walk in the park but shit happened, what can we do?
it doesent mean we stink and useless just bcz of our terrible performance in the asian cup.
for ex, jordan did a terrific performance in the asian cup, doesent mean they're great, they just surpassed their capacities, cz no one would think, on paper, the jordanian team to come up so strong, but they did.
and no one would've ever thought, on paper that the lebanese NT would come out and play so horrible but they did.

 

[jkassem2]

Thank you. This is exactly what i meant. Keep finding excuses when you lose, referee, lack of Chemistry, lack of preperation. Where were all those excuses before ASIA 2009? Didn't you say that you will crush all teams with your new import players?

As for you daniab, no we are not going to Istanbul to do shopping, we are going there to try our best to win and impress however there is a big differene between our case and yours, your team lost heavily to Jordan twice and was beaten by China twice as well, i think we agree also that your team did not perform superbly in ASIA, so before you go on and claim that you will beat this and that in the worldcup you have first to solve your problems and build a powerful and competitive rooster then and only then we will all agree that you will have the chance to qualify to the second round. The problem with you_ and i'm intitled to my opinion is that you are so good at talking but when you lose you are second to none in finding excuses just as like your dear friend rtk04 did in the above post.

Man, We Are Going To Win The Cup, We Will Win All The Games And We Are Free To Say Anything, Do You Have Any Problem With That?????

 

[leb-basket2]

Man, We Are Going To Win The Cup, We Will Win All The Games And We Are Free To Say Anything, Do You Have Any Problem With That?????

lebanon can beat spain easily and move on towards the finals where he will meet the dream team he will face some problems at the beginning but at the end its well known lebanon will win
hahahahahaha

 

[Oshafaamri2]

*** Honestly , on nowadays Circumstances and Level of Basketball in Arab World , NO WAY To Win a game and Losing by 20 pts with Teams like Argentina or Spain will be Huge Success , Just we should be realistic and Concentrate on Improving and gain Experience from such World Class Teams , That's it ****

 

[yowaspopinneg2]

I disagree that out of those 3 teams Lebanon got the easiest group

 

[daniab2]

*** Honestly , on nowadays Circumstances and Level of Basketball in Arab World , NO WAY To Win a game and Losing by 20 pts with Teams like Argentina or Spain will be Huge Success , Just we should be realistic and Concentrate on Improving and gain Experience from such World Class Teams , That's it ****

what? in 2006 what did we do ? how many games we won?
this mentality isn't in favor of our basketball if we want to keep it,for me i know that Canada and New Zealand are very tough but i keep the 10% chances to beat them a good percentage to prepare and be optimistic.
But when you don't have a winning spirit,you won't get anywhere.

I dont know why you guys (not you Omar),cant see a Lebanese talking about winning ? what's the problem with that? i know some people from here and there are immature but that doesn't mean you can squeeze all the Lebanese by just 1 or 2 members!

 

[rtk042]

Thank you. This is exactly what i meant. Keep finding excuses when you lose, referee, lack of Chemistry, lack of preperation. Where were all those excuses before ASIA 2009? Didn't you say that you will crush all teams with your new import players?

As for you daniab, no we are not going to Istanbul to do shopping, we are going there to try our best to win and impress however there is a big differene between our case and yours, your team lost heavily to Jordan twice and was beaten by China twice as well, i think we agree also that your team did not perform superbly in ASIA, so before you go on and claim that you will beat this and that in the worldcup you have first to solve your problems and build a powerful and competitive rooster then and only then we will all agree that you will have the chance to qualify to the second round. The problem with you_ and i'm intitled to my opinion is that you are so good at talking but when you lose you are second to none in finding excuses just as like your dear friend rtk04 did in the above post.

man...some of our jordanian friends only created accounts in this forum just to say that lebanese only make excuses...can u for once say something that has meaning???
with all respect....it is a fact that the referee lead to our loss....patrick baumann admitted that during his interview with Dr. pierre kakhia...
and one more thing why did jordan spent millions of dollars over 3 years to qualify to the world cup...if they decide from now that they will lose against all teams????...
anyway man i am very optimistic that we will impress at this tournament....and dont criticize me for this....in the end we are the base of basketball in the middle east....and i have the right to say whatever i want...you are not forced to quote my posts

 

[Oshafaamri2]

what? in 2006 what did we do ? how many games we won?
this mentality isn't in favor of our basketball if we want to keep it,for me i know that Canada and New Zealand are very tough but i keep the 10% chances to beat them a good percentage to prepare and be optimistic.
But when you don't have a winning spirit,you won't get anywhere.

I dont know why you guys (not you Omar),cant see a Lebanese talking about winning ? what's the problem with that? i know some people from here and there are immature but that doesn't mean you can squeeze all the Lebanese by just 1 or 2 members!

We have 8 months to prepare ( Nights & Days ) , but am saying if next week is the world cup , then what will we do with our Level now ?!
Lebanon has bigger experience in the world cup and am saying that your chances to win is bigger , but For Jordan And Tunisia it's really tough as we lack experience + we don't have a good league ( in Jordan we don't have a Federation since 5 months !! )

Our Arab Teams should concentrate on 2 to 3 teams in their group , and not repeat Lebanon's Big mistake in 2006 when they exhausted their selves in a Game they should planned to lose it tactically then win over Nigeria .....

Now , Jordan should concentrate on Angola in the first place , Germany and Australia , Not to win over the last two teams but to have good game
Angola , we can beat them if we studied this Team + we have Mario Palma who coached them for 8 years !

Lebanon should concentrate on New Zealand & Canada only , Forget about France this time hehehe , cause France Won't be beaten again on it's Head ....

Tunis should concentrate on Iran & Iran only ......

 

[karim2]

It was shocking what wizard wrote and im not gonna elabrote on that cuz its obvious he hasnt watched any games for canada and NZ or hes a lebanon hater and im guessing both but dont want to light up any fires here . Jordan and Tunisia dont have much chance of making it to the 2nd round or even winning 1 game maybe around 5% only but lebanon making it to the 2nd round is over 40% ....NZ suck possibly the worst inaddition to cote divoire and tunisia they have no tall guys , they have no shooters i saw a game in 2008 where china WITHOUT YAO MING beat them by 35 so enough said about that lebanons chance against them is over 65% whereas canada is a bit tougher but also beatable as we all know that their main players nash,magloire and bonner wont be there and their only player which has a somewhat known name is joel anthony the rest are all worse than players like vroman,freijeh and khatib if he finds his way so lebanons chance is not possible but probable its more an upset if lebanon does not make it to the 2nd round ....france will also be missing parker and spain will be missing gasol but ofcourse these are not winnable game unless france shoots 3/27 again from the outside the title of this thread is true

 

[eliooo932]

lebanons chance against them is over 65% its more an upset if lebanon does not make it to the 2nd round ....

Aren't you a little bit exaggerating?

 

[karim2]

ya a bit to balance out what wizard said the point is canada and NZ are not better than lebanon especially NZ

 

[Mojado2]

It was shocking what wizard wrote and im not gonna elabrote on that cuz its obvious he hasnt watched any games for canada and NZ or hes a lebanon hater and im guessing both but dont want to light up any fires here . Jordan and Tunisia dont have much chance of making it to the 2nd round or even winning 1 game maybe around 5% only but lebanon making it to the 2nd round is over 40% ....NZ suck possibly the worst inaddition to cote divoire and tunisia they have no tall guys , they have no shooters i saw a game in 2008 where china WITHOUT YAO MING beat them by 35 so enough said about that lebanons chance against them is over 65% whereas canada is a bit tougher but also beatable as we all know that their main players nash,magloire and bonner wont be there and their only player which has a somewhat known name is joel anthony the rest are all worse than players like vroman,freijeh and khatib if he finds his way so lebanons chance is not possible but probable its more an upset if lebanon does not make it to the 2nd round ....france will also be missing parker and spain will be missing gasol but ofcourse these are not winnable game unless france shoots 3/27 again from the outside the title of this thread is true

Who says Canada will be without Bonner and Magloire? Any links or further proof for that???

Joel Anthony is skills-wise at least on Jackson Vroman & Matt Freije level. Carl English is a way better guard than any of the Lebanese guards in this very moment. The likes of Olu Famutimi, Jermaine Anderson, Andy Rautins among others did pretty well in the FIBA Americas and to classify this nation as an easy opponent just shows me, that you have no clue about basketball outside of Asia.

 

[karim2]

bonner and magloire playing with canada is the same chance as gordon playing with great britain or deng leaving great britain and playing for sudan(i dont think deng has played an official game with GB yet) . Canada have a past of NBA players not willing to play with them like we have seen for last decade . NBA players have a long season and they woudnt comeplay for canada who is not a world championship contender even if their players do play and they are not being paid either(not that thats a bad thing) but thats why they have no motive to play and its obvious they are not dying to play each year for their country like a nowitzki for germany and yao for china ...and i,ve watched canada many times and i saw carl english many times all he does is take the ball and jack up shots unconciously and misses most of them , any player in any country can do thatand canada are not intimidating under the basket as well not even for asian teams ...im sorry but canada and NZ do not impress me and i think they are beatable by any team in the top 6 in asia ...

 

[leb-basket2]

guys can't we just wait until the tournament starts and then start judging i mean of course we are not expecting a 100% win over nz and canada but still we can hope for surprises i mean who the hell expected us to win over france

 

[Mojado2]

bonner and magloire playing with canada is the same chance as gordon playing with great britain or deng leaving great britain and playing for sudan(i dont think deng has played an official game with GB yet) . Canada have a past of NBA players not willing to play with them like we have seen for last decade . NBA players have a long season and they woudnt comeplay for canada who is not a world championship contender even if their players do play and they are not being paid either(not that thats a bad thing) but thats why they have no motive to play and its obvious they are not dying to play each year for their country like a nowitzki for germany and yao for china ...and i,ve watched canada many times and i saw carl english many times all he does is take the ball and jack up shots unconciously and misses most of them , any player in any country can do thatand canada are not intimidating under the basket as well not even for asian teams ...im sorry but canada and NZ do not impress me and i think they are beatable by any team in the top 6 in asia ...

First of all, I respect your opinion about how you rated Canada, but I can't agree at all with what you are saying.
I watched both ,FIBA Americas (I attended it) and FIBA Asia (Thanks to the links provided by Interbasket users to the live games) and I can tell that there is a big difference between the Canadian team today and the best six teams in Asia. I would even go further and say that Canada will be beating Iran,China (w/o Yao), Jordan and Lebanon in an official tournament. Bonner and Magloire are likely to play as reported earlier by FIBA.com and even though I dont like the way Carl English is playing, he is effective at times and is playing in the ACB which is currently the second best league behind the NBA. Looking at the guards of Lebanon, and even if there is sympathy from my side for the country, I dont see one single guard being able to handle him. The lack of interest of Nash and Magloire to represent their country is sad, but it comes from internal problems (Nash and Basketball Canada cant get along). Dalambert is out due to his problems with the coach, otherwise he would have been a great addition. Now Matt Bonner is going to step in for him. I am pretty sure, that he is going to play as Levon Kendall might be out due to injury. I can't see how Lebanon is going to beat Canada under the boards with Freije only being a solid player in weaker leagues like Puerto Rico while failing in Greece and in Germany.Vroman should be doing well in Turkey but I will be looking on Fadi to be the x-factor as he has been slow in FIBA Asia and has been terrible in Athens in 2008. If he can't produce, I am looking to Daniel Faris who has some talent and should be learing the game in the Netherlands right now. Still, I see Canada up front. Talking about six Asian nations will be beating them is clearly a sign that you are just in your own little world,sorry.

 

[RAWAD2]

First of all, I respect your opinion about how you rated Canada, but I can't agree at all with what you are saying.
I watched both ,FIBA Americas (I attended it) and FIBA Asia (Thanks to the links provided by Interbasket users to the live games) and I can tell that there is a big difference between the Canadian team today and the best six teams in Asia. I would even go further and say that Canada will be beating Iran,China (w/o Yao), Jordan and Lebanon in an official tournament. Bonner and Magloire are likely to play as reported earlier by FIBA.com and even though I dont like the way Carl English is playing, he is effective at times and is playing in the ACB which is currently the second best league behind the NBA. Looking at the guards of Lebanon, and even if there is sympathy from my side for the country, I dont see one single guard being able to handle him. The lack of interest of Nash and Magloire to represent their country is sad, but it comes from internal problems (Nash and Basketball Canada cant get along). Dalambert is out due to his problems with the coach, otherwise he would have been a great addition. Now Matt Bonner is going to step in for him. I am pretty sure, that he is going to play as Levon Kendall might be out due to injury. I can't see how Lebanon is going to beat Canada under the boards with Freije only being a solid player in weaker leagues like Puerto Rico while failing in Greece and in Germany.Vroman should be doing well in Turkey but I will be looking on Fadi to be the x-factor as he has been slow in FIBA Asia and has been terrible in Athens in 2008. If he can't produce, I am looking to Daniel Faris who has some talent and should be learing the game in the Netherlands right now. Still, I see Canada up front. Talking about six Asian nations will be beating them is clearly a sign that you are just in your own little world,sorry.

I am impressed by your posts, and I ask you to accept my following post if you don't mind.
After watching both Fiba Asia and Fiba America, I think that basketball in Asia is getting better and better but still behind the American Basketball. But let me elaborate a point. From the teams I watched in the last Fiba America, only Brazil, Argentina's third team and Puerto Rico were the teams that impressed me. Now for Canada And DR, both teams were obviously competing to get 4th place. Both teams were unsystematic and if they have had better chemistry they could beat Argentina and Puerto Rico, and here I am talking about DR.
Now going to Lebanon, the Lebanese team you watched, believe me, was the product of one week of practice and work. Not only the players met few days before the competition, but also, some of them were unkown in the Lebanese Basketball.
For the next WC, I think Bonner and Anthony will play but Nash, Dalembert, Magloire will not.

Now for Lebanon, the improvements you will see are multiple:

- We had a extremely stubburn coach and the new one will be from a much higher level.
-No chemistry was built and will be solved after the expected preparations.
-We did not have a pure center, and I think that you will see a huge improvement in this point.
-Matt Freije was lost despite his good performance, he joined few weeks before the competition, but now he is more involved in the lebanese basketball.
-Fadi El Khatib and here is the biggest improvement. Fadi in his current level, can play easily and i repeat easily in an any european team, and has a chance to play in the NBA(but he is 31years old). Fadi lost 15 kg from the last asian championship, so the lebanese tiger will be back.
-In Turkey you will feel like you are in Lebanon, the crowd will be lebanese, the lebanese fans will show the whole world how we can win games using the lebanese spirit.

Finally, these improvements will be more than enough to beat New Zealand, and enough to compete with a strong Canadian team.

 

[spider2]

we have a weakness in PG, ali mahmoud always dissapears in international games outside of asia, he is just terrible in the few games i've seen him against european teams, rony isn't a true PG but he always plays better in the NT than ali mahmoud, but he is a poor defender. both are very small too. i think sabah is better for position one than both, he has the best handles of all pg and good offense and he plays teamball, he isnt afraid like ali mahmoud so he should be in the NT. also he is terrible defender.

SG, is also a weakness, i hope that terrible abdelnour never plays in NT, instead ahmad ibrahim should be put in the NT, and we need one more good SG, which I can't see in lebanese league unless Fadi start playing this position, though this would not give any chance to ahmad to play. i want them both on the court. there are a few guys who might play just for experimenting, i don't think we will do anything special in this tournament, so let's just rebuild for 2011, if there's a SG i would like then maybe mohamad ibrahim the cousin of ahmad ibrahim.

SF, fadi starting, backup to fadi is matt freije (if he plays for free) and he should never be at position 4. brian should leave.

PF, C, these two positions are weak and no true center, i just hope we could live with the ones we have and not nationalise any more center, just put vogel if they need height and if he could come off the bench, play 20-25 min, play some defense, we don't need him to shoot any 3 pts in offense. he doesnt wrestle or plays inside anymore, he couldn't get under the basket in international games, too weak, but defensively he can still give especially if we get a coach like zouros.

 

[daniab2]

Mojado, i respect your opinion but i dont think Carl English is better than Fadi El khatib.
Fadi passed in 2 tough years, and in both he gained many kilos which slowed him down, now he's been working a lot and you can see clearly from his stats so far that he is total shape and about to get back his old level.

I believe that if the team was in his physical condition,we can beat the Canadian team but if not its gonna be really tough!

 

[Mojado2]

I am impressed by your posts, and I ask you to accept my following post if you don't mind.
After watching both Fiba Asia and Fiba America, I think that basketball in Asia is getting better and better but still behind the American Basketball. But let me elaborate a point. From the teams I watched in the last Fiba America, only Brazil, Argentina's third team and Puerto Rico were the teams that impressed me. Now for Canada And DR, both teams were obviously competing to get 4th place. Both teams were unsystematic and if they have had better chemistry they could beat Argentina and Puerto Rico, and here I am talking about DR.
Now going to Lebanon, the Lebanese team you watched, believe me, was the product of one week of practice and work. Not only the players met few days before the competition, but also, some of them were unkown in the Lebanese Basketball.
For the next WC, I think Bonner and Anthony will play but Nash, Dalembert, Magloire will not.

Now for Lebanon, the improvements you will see are multiple:

- We had a extremely stubburn coach and the new one will be from a much higher level.
-No chemistry was built and will be solved after the expected preparations.
-We did not have a pure center, and I think that you will see a huge improvement in this point.
-Matt Freije was lost despite his good performance, he joined few weeks before the competition, but now he is more involved in the lebanese basketball.
-Fadi El Khatib and here is the biggest improvement. Fadi in his current level, can play easily and i repeat easily in an any european team, and has a chance to play in the NBA(but he is 31years old). Fadi lost 15 kg from the last asian championship, so the lebanese tiger will be back.
-In Turkey you will feel like you are in Lebanon, the crowd will be lebanese, the lebanese fans will show the whole world how we can win games using the lebanese spirit.

Finally, these improvements will be more than enough to beat New Zealand, and enough to compete with a strong Canadian team.

Thanks Rawad for giving me an inside on the situation! I can see where you are heading to, and I am going to keep that in mind when the games are going down in Turkey this year. I have my doubts with Fadi and I would rather see him in Europe playing in a major competition than ins some meaningless tournament in Dubai or a smaller market- league, but that wont happen, so I just hope he will be able to be 100% ready for Turkey this time. I also dont see him on the shooting guard-spot but on the small forward spot. He is not going to play against Carl English (Daniab, you must have gotten something wrong here), so I dont compare them to each other...anyway, I will be coming back on that topic once its time for it. Good luck to Lebanon in Turkey!