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Toruko2
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Kurtuldum and Ilyasoglu will be loaned (almost sure) and Balbay is never ahead of Gazi and also not for Tuncer.
Kurtuldum and Ilyasoglu will be loaned (almost sure) and Balbay is never ahead of Gazi and also not for Tuncer.
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Toruko2
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First victim that was given up is as expected Kurtuldum. He is leaving Efes, destination is not clear.
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Tevfik19072
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http://anadoluefessk.sporx.com/ergin-ataman-larkin-takimda-kalacak-SXHBQ871324SXQ
I didn't know this, since Larkin didn't play in any games in the Turkish national team, and since 2020 Olympic qualifications delayed, he can't play as a domestic player in Turkish League as long as he doesn't play in the Turkish National team, this seems fair although Ergin Ataman is complaining about this.
He says Larkin will stay, but he doesn't talk certain about Micic. So if NBA teams make an offer, he might leave. I think he already stayed long enough. He should already try his chance when even Guduric tried.
I didn't know this, since Larkin didn't play in any games in the Turkish national team, and since 2020 Olympic qualifications delayed, he can't play as a domestic player in Turkish League as long as he doesn't play in the Turkish National team, this seems fair although Ergin Ataman is complaining about this.
He says Larkin will stay, but he doesn't talk certain about Micic. So if NBA teams make an offer, he might leave. I think he already stayed long enough. He should already try his chance when even Guduric tried.
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Levenspiel2
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how on earth does this seem fair? Countless foreign players who had no chance of playing for Turkish NT were counted local before (Henry Turner, Kevin Rankin, Dudley, etc etc), and now it's mandatory to play for the NT? Fuck that. I hope Larkin never plays for the NT. Sarica and the TBF made it clear they never wanted him in the first place.http://anadoluefessk.sporx.com/ergin-ataman-larkin-takimda-kalacak-SXHBQ871324SXQ
I didn't know this, since Larkin didn't play in any games in the Turkish national team, and since 2020 Olympic qualifications delayed, he can't play as a domestic player in Turkish League as long as he doesn't play in the Turkish National team, this seems fair although Ergin Ataman is complaining about this.
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janketa2
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Come on man you are papa of this forum, is it possible you hooked on trolling post like this
And why you hope Larkin won't play for NT?
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Tevfik19072
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The different rules, different situations.
The players you are talking about were on this country longer than Larkin, so you should check out why they were counted as domestic player and see the difference. For example Erwin Dudley played for 5 years in Telekom, the rule was if you play 3 years in Turkey, you can choose Turkish nationality. Larkin only played 2 years so far. So I don't know if that 3 years rule still exists, but even if it does, Larkin still needs to wait 1 year more for that.
Playing in the Turkish national team is a different situation than that 3 years rule, so you can't get away with this without playing a single game in Turkish national team.
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Toruko2
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Why is Larkin so important being counted as naturalized or not? You even have the best roster by far without him and if you need him to play for a reason, take him as 1 of 5. Who is gonna stop Efes? Fenerbahce? Good joke.
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Tevfik19072
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Yeah, sure. Tell that to Ergin Ataman.
Obviously he wants Larkin as domestic player to beat us in Turkish league otherwise what's the point of this statement right?
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Toruko2
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Yeah, sure. Tell that to Ergin Ataman.
He is a slow poke. He obviously has a strong sense of justice but i welcome playing without Larkin at least in the regular season. I dont think he is needed at all but if so just put him as a foreigner and 4 others. He can always do it anytime. If he does it can only mean he is as confident as me.
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Tevfik19072
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You might think otherwise, but the head coach of Efes thinks he needs him as domestic player to beat us.
He also thought he needs help of the GS supporters in Turkish league final to beat us in the previous year as well, https://www.mackolik.com/basketbol/...yanimizda-olacaktir/48dkduatkeac1kpk3qvm5klva
Perhaps it worked since it was 4-3 close? What do you say?
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vivo2
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Ataman and strong sense of justice? Good joke. Search cathine and Efes if you don't remember
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Toruko2
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I really dont know and dont care his trigger and the reason of his childish fights against Fenerbahce. I dont really intend to defend his whinings. The rules about naturalized player are clear and thats it. I like his basketball philosophy and I want him back as NT coach but this childish disputes are getting on my nerves.
Anyway Ömercan was loaned to Bursaspor which I strongly support. I hope Erten Gazi shows very fast he is more useful then trash Balbay. Without Larkin Turks have more responsibility which is very welcome.
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Levenspiel2
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yeah, true. I guess I wanted to come back with a bang :d.
As for Larkin and the NT, several reasons. We had talked about it in the past, no need to repeat. it's best for everyone if he doesn't.
I just got pissed off with the new rule that is conveniently "invented". What else we expect from a spineless Turkoglu? if Larkin played, he'd have invented something else.
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janketa2
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Seems I missed that discution about Larkin and NT. Never mind
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Tevfik19072
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I expect from janketa to side with Efes and Larkin in this situation Not a Fenerbahçe fan as usual.
You are making drama like janketa right now, the only reason why this even become a discussion because Efes wanted to use Larkin as domestic player, it's not like the head coach of Turkish national team wanted it, they even said we have Wilbekin but then we still replaced Wilbekin with Larkin, so that's why I think it's fair for that reason, if you still want him as domestic player, he should play 1 year more to complete the 3 years like the players that you talked about earlier.
Not a Fenerbahçe fan as usual. You are making drama like janketa right now, the only reason why this even become a discussion because Efes wanted to use Larkin as domestic player, it's not like the head coach of Turkish national team wanted it, they even said we have Wilbekin but then we still replaced Wilbekin with Larkin, so that's why I think it's fair for that reason, if you still want him as domestic player, he should play 1 year more to complete the 3 years like the players that you talked about earlier.
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Levenspiel2
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mate, do you know the meaning of a passport?I expect from janketa to side with Efes and Larkin in this situation
You are making drama like janketa right now, the only reason why this even become a discussion because Efes wanted to use Larkin as domestic player, it's not like the head coach of Turkish national team wanted it, they even said we have Wilbekin but then we still replaced Wilbekin with Larkin, so that's why I think it's fair for that reason, if you still want him as domestic player, he should play 1 year more to complete the 3 years like the players that you talked about earlier.
you could apply citizenship rules (if you have any, but we don't, in practice) before giving someone a passport, not after.
anyway, pointless discussion. Let some little people be happy with their little victories.
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Worrax2
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What a big effect all these injuries and covid cases on Efes... Players still can't find the rhythm and the team automatically suffering of controlling the game tempo. The hardest games are on the way; Valencia, Cska, Milan, Barca, Real. Hope things will get better for the rest of the season.
Efes-Zenith: 69-73
(Without LARKIN)
Efes-Fener: 71-80
(Without LARKIN, ŞANLI)
Alba-Efes: 72-93
(Without LARKIN, BALBAY)
Zalgiris-Efes: 89-73
(Without LARKIN, ŞANLI, BALBAY)
Oly-Efes: 79-84
(Without ŞANLI, BALBAY)
Efes-Mta: 91-89
(Without LARKIN, DUNSTON, ŞANLI)
Pao-Efes: 77-80
(Without LARKIN, DUNSTON, ŞANLI, BEAUBOIS)
Efes-Bay: 71-74
(Without DUNSTON, BEAUBOIS)
Khi-Efes: 77-105
(Without DUNSTON, BEAUBOIS)
Crv-Efes: 64-75
(Without DUNSTON, BEAUBOIS, MICIC, PLEISS)
Efes-Bas: 59-77
(Without PLEISS)
Efes-Asv: 72-68
(Without SIMON)
Games played:
Singleton, Moerman, Anderson: 12
Micic, Simon: 11
Pleiss: 10
Beaubois, Balbay: 9
Dunston, Şanlı: 7
Larkin: 6
Efes-Zenith: 69-73
(Without LARKIN)
Efes-Fener: 71-80
(Without LARKIN, ŞANLI)
Alba-Efes: 72-93
(Without LARKIN, BALBAY)
Zalgiris-Efes: 89-73
(Without LARKIN, ŞANLI, BALBAY)
Oly-Efes: 79-84
(Without ŞANLI, BALBAY)
Efes-Mta: 91-89
(Without LARKIN, DUNSTON, ŞANLI)
Pao-Efes: 77-80
(Without LARKIN, DUNSTON, ŞANLI, BEAUBOIS)
Efes-Bay: 71-74
(Without DUNSTON, BEAUBOIS)
Khi-Efes: 77-105
(Without DUNSTON, BEAUBOIS)
Crv-Efes: 64-75
(Without DUNSTON, BEAUBOIS, MICIC, PLEISS)
Efes-Bas: 59-77
(Without PLEISS)
Efes-Asv: 72-68
(Without SIMON)
Games played:
Singleton, Moerman, Anderson: 12
Micic, Simon: 11
Pleiss: 10
Beaubois, Balbay: 9
Dunston, Şanlı: 7
Larkin: 6
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Worrax2
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Even though Efes won vs Ormanspor yesterday (95-75), i didn't like the team's defensive performance so far... Musa was ok in his first game; Tuncer, Şanlı, Larkin even Saybir and Gazi was performed well on team's attacking side, but defensive holes could create headache for the future. I can't even be so happy because of the weak opponent. Ataman said he liked Musa's and team's performance and happy for having good signs from Musa for the future games. About Larkin and Beaubois's minutes he said he's just pushing the players to get their rhythms.
Larkin (17 min)... 14 pts, 2 reb, 6 ast.
Moerman (22 min)... 6 pts, 12 reb.
Tuncer (22 min)... 22 pts, 3 reb, 3 ast.
Anderson (17 min)... 6 pts, 1 reb, 1 ast.
Dunston (15 min)... 1 pts, 1 reb, 1 ast.
Beaubois (14 min)... 5 pts, 5 reb, 1 ast.
Saybir (15 min)... 7 pts, 4 reb, 1 ast.
Balbay (12 min)... 2 pts, 5 ast.
Gazi (15 min)... 5 pts, 4 reb.
Musa (26 min)... 19 pts, 6 reb, 3 ast.
Şanlı (25 min)... 8 pts, 6 reb, 5 blk.
Larkin (17 min)... 14 pts, 2 reb, 6 ast.
Moerman (22 min)... 6 pts, 12 reb.
Tuncer (22 min)... 22 pts, 3 reb, 3 ast.
Anderson (17 min)... 6 pts, 1 reb, 1 ast.
Dunston (15 min)... 1 pts, 1 reb, 1 ast.
Beaubois (14 min)... 5 pts, 5 reb, 1 ast.
Saybir (15 min)... 7 pts, 4 reb, 1 ast.
Balbay (12 min)... 2 pts, 5 ast.
Gazi (15 min)... 5 pts, 4 reb.
Musa (26 min)... 19 pts, 6 reb, 3 ast.
Şanlı (25 min)... 8 pts, 6 reb, 5 blk.
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Toruko2
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I have been seeing a decline on Dunstons side which is the main problem. Larkin seems to find his shooting rhythm and range but you shouldnt worry about the defense against Ormanspor. The defensive reaction is still a big concern though. I think if the shooting comes back also the defensive intensity will increase.
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Worrax2
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I will agree with you, at least we have reason (last season) to hope... and yes, i was talking about pivotal trouble second year in a row. If something happens with Dunston ect... last year Pleiss stepped well but now also suffering with injuries. On the other hand Dunston is already 35 if i'm not wrong, time to prepare somebody else. It's a known case 2-3 years and Ataman will get it. (Actually i insist on adding a 4 and a half style guy, can play 4 and 5, and keep Dunston and Şanlı.)