Anadolu Efes 2017-18

[drskull2]

I've been watching youth tournaments for many years by now, and I am quite aware that many bright prospects do not become good players at senior level, but our 95-97 generation was special. They still are. it's a crime on TBL coaches and federations that these kids are still not breaking out. The talent is there, but we cannot even judge them. I wish we could at least say yeah they could not play among men...

I'm happy Furkan left, not because he'd be star over there or anything, but because Efes did not deserve him with 2 mpg on a position that they suffered heavily. Peras won't use any Turkish player, so it doesn't matter if Birkan is good or not, and he really is not, he never was.

It's like making wine. you have a good harvest yet you can't make even one good bottle out of it.

it's called a botch.

it's all the same for us turkish basketball enthusiasts, we are looking for new a ibo, new okur, new hidayet, new hüseyin etc. look at fenerbahçe topic, us fans wanting to see belinelli in fener jersey like we were so quenched to see another ibo hitting threes casually.

we yearn for times when we had kerem, ibo, hidayet, okur and hüseyin. no matter how good the grapes are if you can't make a good wine out it it doesnt matter. It's a matter of not giving them the big stage or them not deserving to perform upon it. I don't think our new generation deserve to perform on the big stage.

you are right about everything else.

edit:

I watched nearly all EL matches this season, not a single prospect caught my eye other than guduric. we need to ask ourselves why we can't produce talent, I already know why but I don't want to meddle politics with sports. but it has become a policy to pump mediocracy into everything in turkey.

edit2: in topic. efes got rid of stupid assholes and built a stronger team for next season, another f8 won't surprise me.

 

[janketa2]

I've been watching youth tournaments for many years by now, and I am quite aware that many bright prospects do not become good players at senior level, but our 95-97 generation was special. They still are. it's a crime on TBL coaches and federations that these kids are still not breaking out. The talent is there, but we cannot even judge them. I wish we could at least say yeah they could not play among men...

I'm happy Furkan left, not because he'd be star over there or anything, but because Efes did not deserve him with 2 mpg on a position that they suffered heavily. Peras won't use any Turkish player, so it doesn't matter if Birkan is good or not, and he really is not, he never was.

At last we agree about one player and that is Birkan. His bricks makes him very dangerous player, for his own team and for board.
His 5-10 minutes could be given to some prospect with the same impact on the quality.

 

[Levenspiel2]

It's like making wine. you have a good harvest yet you can't make even one good bottle out of it.

it's called a botch.

it's all the same for us turkish basketball enthusiasts, we are looking for new a ibo, new okur, new hidayet, new hüseyin etc. look at fenerbahçe topic, us fans wanting to see belinelli in fener jersey like we were so quenched to see another ibo hitting threes casually.

we yearn for times when we had kerem, ibo, hidayet, okur and hüseyin. no matter how good the grapes are if you can't make a good wine out it it doesnt matter. It's a matter of not giving them the big stage or them not deserving to perform upon it. I don't think our new generation deserve to perform on the big stage.

I like the wine analogy; you need good grapes to start with, but the process is more important.

However, I'm not convinced about our harvesting process either. I remember Mirsad and Hido turning around EL games at the age 18. Ibo was a unique talent. I personally do not expect to find these 3, that would be a gift from god, But we should have been able to produce new Besok, Okur, Tunceri, Sarica, Erdogan, Gonlum etc etc. At the moment, the drought is so bad that we do not have even have a 2nd grade talent at the level of Bekir Yarangume, Semsettin Bas, Tutku Acik, etc. Sinan is at this level, he shines more due to lack of better players. This is strange and can happen if there is a deliberate attempt to botch the process, when the goals of the teams/coaches do not align with the best interest of Turkish bball.

 

[janketa2]

From what I saw Josh Adams seems to me as ok player for Efes. Short but atletic guard with decent IQ and solid shoting technics. He can penetrate too which is his main plus

 

[vivo2]

I like the wine analogy; you need good grapes to start with, but the process is more important.

However, I'm not convinced about our harvesting process either. I remember Mirsad and Hido turning around EL games at the age 18. Ibo was a unique talent. I personally do not expect to find these 3, that would be a gift from god, But we should have been able to produce new Besok, Okur, Tunceri, Sarica, Erdogan, Gonlum etc etc. At the moment, the drought is so bad that we do not have even have a 2nd grade talent at the level of Bekir Yarangume, Semsettin Bas, Tutku Acik, etc. Sinan is at this level, he shines more due to lack of better players. This is strange and can happen if there is a deliberate attempt to botch the process, when the goals of the teams/coaches do not align with the best interest of Turkish bball.

I think you might be making a mistake when you say we don't have a talent at the level of Bekir Yarangüme etc. These guys were getting playing time due to foreigner limit and our teams were in a worse situation as can be seen by the sudden increased success of Turkish teams in Europe. So we are not better in terms of overall player quality, but we are not significantly worse too, it's just that now no serious Turkish team can afford to give mediocre Turkish players more playing time than they "deserve" - it means no European success or no domestic success, or worse, relegation. One alternative to that is to use young Turkish prospects, as Yeşilgiresun did - you know you won't be the champion, but those young guys' performance/price ratio is always better than "pay me or won't play" Semih Erden.

 

[Nakz2]

Again a really bad decision by Efes management by signing Birkan Batuk, he is really an average player for the TBL and a really poor player for a Euroleague team, they could have kept Mutaf instead or even better give Onural Bitim some time or sign Baygul..

I'm getting more and more frustrated with Efes management and start to like the archrivals Fener

 

[janketa2]

Again a really bad decision by Efes management by signing Birkan Batuk, he is really an average player for the TBL and a really poor player for a Euroleague team, they could have kept Mutaf instead or even better give Onural Bitim some time or sign Baygul..

I'm getting more and more frustrated with Efes management and start to like the archrivals Fener

Batuk is very bad shoter but if Perasovic limits his attempts he could be usefull for 5 minutes per game.

 

[Nakz2]

Yeah but he cannot do anything else. He is no good defender, he cannot drive. They can aswell give those minutes to some youngster..

 

[janketa2]

Yeah but he cannot do anything else. He is no good defender, he cannot drive. They can aswell give those minutes to some youngster..

Yes, that is our reality last 10 years. Morons and mediocres get high salaries while talents vanish

 

[Obina2]

Batuk is on CoachZ favorite players list. Respect him.

 

[janketa2]

I remember Perasovic as a player, he wasn't too much better then Batuk in other segments, only much better shoter. Actually milion times better shoter because BAtuk is brick thrower and shame for basketball as profession.

But, he could be usefull for 5 minutes per game. If he gets more then that then Perasovic is idiot par exelans

 

[okanial2]

I remember Perasovic as a player, he wasn't too much better then Batuk in other segments, only much better shoter. Actually milion times better shoter because BAtuk is brick thrower and shame for basketball as profession.

But, he could be usefull for 5 minutes per game. If he gets more then that then Perasovic is idiot par exelans

I've always thought perasovic prefered Batuk over Osman. Because Batuk didn't use the ball and just pass it back to Huertel and when Huertel screw up he was there to make a catch and shoot in the last second to protect Huertels stats

 

[Levenspiel2]

I think you might be making a mistake when you say we don't have a talent at the level of Bekir Yarangüme etc. These guys were getting playing time due to foreigner limit and our teams were in a worse situation as can be seen by the sudden increased success of Turkish teams in Europe. So we are not better in terms of overall player quality, but we are not significantly worse too, it's just that now no serious Turkish team can afford to give mediocre Turkish players more playing time than they "deserve" - it means no European success or no domestic success, or worse, relegation. One alternative to that is to use young Turkish prospects, as Yeşilgiresun did - you know you won't be the champion, but those young guys' performance/price ratio is always better than "pay me or won't play" Semih Erden.

Sorry I missed this. "them getting playing time" is the whole idea I'm advocating. it makes players better, or at least make them show their potential. Yarangume was the starting SG of a decent EuroCup level team (Telekom) and previously with TED, making 20+ppg, yet he was not even called to NT. I think he was later in a few prelim rosters, and then he could only play small roles in some tournaments. Can you imagine a Turkish player today cracking that level, and not being called to NT?

Today, we may have the same or better talent potential, but we cannot actually confirm or deny it, as most of the prospects are not tested. Therefore, the pool of proven NT-level players is too shallow.

EL teams going for the best players is understandable if the local ones do not cut it (they also waste the talents, Ulubay case in Dacka, Furkan case at Efes etc...) but the rest of the TBL was disaster, except for two maybe three teams. The worst team of the league last season, by far, TED Kolejliler, used almost exclusively foreigners all the season (many games with 4 foreigners x 40mins, later on 6 foreigners x about 30mpg), and they ended up with a 2-28 record . Tofas and Karsiyaka was especially guilty, as they have quite a lot of non-used talents in their rosters.

 

[Simay2]

Did efes sign Stimac guys?

 

[Levenspiel2]

Did efes sign Stimac guys?

not officially. many people are counting him and Tolga Gecim from Banvit in Efes's roster for the next year, but I don't know where this information comes from.

 

[surfer2]

not officially. many people are counting him and Tolga Gecim from Banvit in Efes's roster for the next year, but I don't know where this information comes from.

Many people talk about Stimac but it's the first time I hear about Tolga Gecim, a player who I like much but I don't think he will have many minutes if he comes.

 

[Roy M2]

Why didn't Stimac sign, yet?

 

[slice me nice2]

not officially. many people are counting him and Tolga Gecim from Banvit in Efes's roster for the next year, but I don't know where this information comes from.

Geçim rumors are not credible IMO. Banvit asks nearly 1 million $ buy-out for him. Also, Efes has Ledo and Batukas there. Even if they would like to add him to roster, the buy-out is too high for a player who is going to be third option in that position. Stimac's transfer has also became into a long winded story. I think Efes is looking for other options. They have second thoughts on Stimac.

 

[Lyonswim2]

Is there anybody who can explain how Efes looked like in those preparation games. It seems to me that they have a better team than last year.
What about Dunston, Muric and Simon?
Will they play in Euroleague?

I see on prediction page that everybody is giving big advantage to Real.

 

[Levenspiel2]

Is there anybody who can explain how Efes looked like in those preparation games. It seems to me that they have a better team than last year.
What about Dunston, Muric and Simon?
Will they play in Euroleague?

I see on prediction page that everybody is giving big advantage to Real.

Efes looks like crap at the moment, mostly because of guards. We'll see if it will improve.
the fanbase is depressed and is talking about relegation