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Americas Clubs League

Hi everyone! I saw this thread and simply had to post xD

I'd love to see this idea become a reality, and it seems it will. But there are many obstacles that will have to be considered by whoever organizes this league:

-the calendar: Only Argentina and Brazil have year-round pro leagues. And the other countries' leagues simply don't match on their positions in ther calendar. This will have to be fixed somehow. Plus, many players play half a season in one country and half a season in another one, because of this thing.

-the travel: not only we're not nearly as rich as Europe, we even are a bigger continente with longer distances to cover and less flight frequencies between our cities.

-the schedule: many of our countries' leagues play 2 or 3 games a week.

-TV: I don't think signing with a continental network like ESPN or Fox is the best thing to do. They should try to sell the rights separatedly to each country. I mean, ¿how many people in Mexico would watch a game between a Puerto Rican team and an Argentinean team?

If these problems are overcome, this will be a great league (but please let the best clubs get in, ¡¡no franchises please!!); and the addition of NBDL or CBA teams would be simply spectacular, especially if they lose xD
 
ARIS WORLD FANS said:
I think ''Liga sudamericana'' is like ''Euroleague'' ...
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It is, but it's only for South America and excludes good leagues like Puerto Rican BSN and Mexican LNBP.
 
I really like the idea of the Americas Tournament

it will be good, but it would be better if the guys from the PuertoRican league actually moved our tournament to the usual schedule other league have, you know, running the league from Oct-Nov to April-May.

The BSN directive plans for the the Americas Tournament is to send a team while were in the offseason. So, while the other teams like Uberlandia from Brazil, Trotamundos from Venezuela and others are already on their season, we will be playing them with a group of guys out of shape (not something I would like to see).

the calendar and the schedue are IMO the biggest problem.

the travel can be solved via sponsorship.

and I agree about the rights for broadcasting to be sold to each country separatedly
 
-K2- said:
I really like the idea of the Americas Tournament

it will be good, but it would be better if the guys from the PuertoRican league actually moved our tournament to the usual schedule other league have, you know, running the league from Oct-Nov to April-May.

The BSN directive plans for the the Americas Tournament is to send a team while were in the offseason. So, while the other teams like Uberlandia from Brazil, Trotamundos from Venezuela and others are already on their season, we will be playing them with a group of guys out of shape (not something I would like to see).
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But there would be a problem with that. One of the reasons BSN has so many good players is that it is played in a time of the year when many players (mostly Americans and Puerto Ricans) have ended their season in Europe, Argentina, the USA or even Mexico. So, if they decide to move the tournamente to the northern winter, the league could lose many good players.

Venezuela has the same problem, because its leagues are played the same times as Puerto Ricans: the top league in the northern spring, and a weaker league in the northern fall (when this Americas League would be played). Mexican leagues have the opposite calendar distribution, so they would benefit.

It' such a mess:D
 
Edgar Lopez said:
Any one know an offical date?
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FIBA Americas has said that the idea is trying to play between October and December. Apperently, it will have the same format of the South American League:

-16 teams, divided in 4 groups.
-Each group is organized by one host team, and each team plays 3 games in consecutive days. Top 2 teams on each group qualify to quarterfinals.
-Quarters and semis are best-of-3 series (1-2)
-Finals are best-of-5 (2-2-1)

Not the best format possible (I don't like the idea of many teams not getting to play a single game at home, and just 3 matches; and 16 teams seem few for so many countries involved), but good enough to start and develop from there.
 
alermac said:
But there would be a problem with that. One of the reasons BSN has so many good players is that it is played in a time of the year when many players (mostly Americans and Puerto Ricans) have ended their season in Europe, Argentina, the USA or even Mexico. So, if they decide to move the tournamente to the northern winter, the league could lose many good players.

Venezuela has the same problem, because its leagues are played the same times as Puerto Ricans: the top league in the northern spring, and a weaker league in the northern fall (when this Americas League would be played). Mexican leagues have the opposite calendar distribution, so they would benefit.

It' such a mess:D
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yeah, but let me explain a lil bit about PRican Basketball

our top players in the BSN are paid on a range of $90,000 to $150,000 for 2 and a half months of basketball. If we move our season to Oct-Nov to April-May we could move our salaries to the range of $350,000 - $550,000 which IMO could compete with some European Leagues and the LatinAmerican Leagues (solo supongo, pq en realidad no se los salarios en Argentina y Brazil aunk dudo que sean superiores a estos)

well, we will certainly lose the Joe Bunn's, Bobby Brannen's, Bob Lazor's, Desmond Farmer's, Daniel Santiago's, but I think we could keep Ayuso, Hatton, PJ Ramos, Carmona and with a lil bit (a lot) of luck Apodaca


well, I just suppose :)

maybe reality is other
 
cuantos clubes de cada pais van a participar?
how many teams from each country are going to participate?
 
wich are the biggest bball clubs in south America....Boca? River? Atenas? BenHur? Estudiades? Corinthians? Vasco? Ribeirao? Uberlandia? Franca?Flamengo?UdCatolica? Corcodilos? ........wich are top 10 crazy bball fans in South America?? wich arenas are the Hottest and biggers??
 
ARIS WORLD FANS said:
wich are the biggest bball clubs in south America....Boca? River? Atenas? BenHur? Estudiades? Corinthians? Vasco? Ribeirao? Uberlandia? Franca?Flamengo?UdCatolica? Corcodilos? ........wich are top 10 crazy bball fans in South America?? wich arenas are the Hottest and biggers??
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One at a time:D :

Right now, the best teams would be Uberlandia (BRA), Ajax (BRA), Franca (BRA), Gimnasia CR (ARG), Boca (ARG), Libertad (ARG), Peñarol (ARG) and some Venezuelan clubs like Trotamundos, Guaros or Marinos. There are also other traditional clubs that aren't having good times now (Atenas, Vasco, Flamengo). And occasionally Universidad Católica (CHI) or San Jose (PAR) can sign a couple good Americans and beat more powerful clubs.

Some of the clubs you mentioned (River Plate, Corinthians, Estudiantes Olavarría and Ribeirao Preto) have abandoned professional basketball due to financial problems. And Ben Hur also has financial problems; they haven't abandoned yet, but they lost all their starters after winning the South American League and aren't likely to repeat as champions.

About the hottest fans and stadiums, I could mention Gimnasia CR, Uberlandia, some Uruguayan clubs, and some less powerful Argentinean clubs like Quimsa or Regatas Corrientes. I don't know much about other countries.
Edgar Lopez said:
how many teams from each country are going to participate?
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That hasn't been defined. There are many countries involved, including less powerful ones like Colombia, Chile, Paraguay, Ecuador and Nicaragua:confused:
-K2- said:
our top players in the BSN are paid on a range of $90,000 to $150,000 for 2 and a half months of basketball. If we move our season to Oct-Nov to April-May we could move our salaries to the range of $350,000 - $550,000 which IMO could compete with some European Leagues and the LatinAmerican Leagues
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Players making U$S 550000 per season? That would be way below top European leagues, but way above Latin leagues.
 
way below top european salaries but enough to keep most of the puertorrican talent.

I remember Piculin once got a $200,000 salary to play in Puerto Rico :)

the closest to that I remeber was Casiano with $140,000 or something like that

Bobby Joe Hatton signed last year a contract of $110,000 and he would be a top 5 PG in the LatinAmerican League
 
So, if BSN doesn't adapt its calendar... do you think a team from the Superliga (plus a couple foreigners) would compete decently?
 
It's really a shame, I really feel bad. I love the idea of the tournament, I love it actually, I would go to the games if I have the opportunity, but it's a shame that we will not send a real team there. I would love to see the Caguas Criollos with Bobby Brannen, PJ Ramos, Chris Burgess, David Anderson, Fili Rivera, Andres Rodriguez, Ricky Melendez, Omar Alvarado, but most likely, you guys will only see Rick Melendez, Omar Alvarado and with a little bit of luck, David Anderson :p
 
From Puerto Rico:

Santurce Cangrejeros already expressed their intentions of playing. Thay have Richie Dalmau, Ricardo Dalmau, Olumide Oyedeji, Guaycan Santiago, Rolando Hourruitiner, Michael Watson, etc...

teams could also be there are Ponce Leones, Caguas Criollos, and I would think that San German got an outside chance to be there if they ever got Christian Dalmau and Rick Apodaca back from Poland and Italy :rolleyes:
 
-K2- said:
It's really a shame, I really feel bad. I love the idea of the tournament, I love it actually, I would go to the games if I have the opportunity, but it's a shame that we will not send a real team there. I would love to see the Caguas Criollos with Bobby Brannen, PJ Ramos, Chris Burgess, David Anderson, Fili Rivera, Andres Rodriguez, Ricky Melendez, Omar Alvarado, but most likely, you guys will only see Rick Melendez, Omar Alvarado and with a little bit of luck, David Anderson :p
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and guayacan with the crabies hahaha
 
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