All time NT

[auris12]

So I took top 40 players in played minutes (out of 70) and compared points scored to (rb+as+st+bl+to+pf)
Purest scorers:
Macijauskas 0,75
Karnysovas 0,82
Stombergas 0,90
Kurtinaitis 0,91
Siskauskas 0,91


Purest scorers:
Maskoliunas 3,84
M Zukauskas 1,80
E Zukauskas 1,61
Javtokas 1,61
Gustas 1,60

bunch of championships in 90s are missing block stats so Siskauskas is probably 3rd purest shooter

I am very confused now .
What is your formula there ?
What exactly number 0.75 represents in case of Macijauskas and why it makes him better than number 3,84 that Maskoliunas has ?
Just give me an idea of how you come up with them numbers .

 

[LuDux2]

Asuming "pure scorer" = scoring specialist and not "defensive specialist" or "pure point guard"
Macijauskas 0.75 = 258 (= 62rb + 36as +36st + 3bl + 56pf + 65to) / 344 points
Maskoliunas 3.84 = 223 (= 50 + 65 + 16 + 1 + 62 + 29) / 58 points

 

[Straight forward2]

Asuming "pure scorer" = scoring specialist and not "defensive specialist" or "pure point guard"
Macijauskas 0.75 = 258 (= 62rb + 36as +36st + 3bl + 56pg + 65to) / 344 points
Maskoliunas 3.84 = 223 (= 50 + 65 + 16 + 1 + 62 + 29) / 58 points

Do you came up with your own idea using such system or saw someone using it? It's interesting.

 

[auris12]

Asuming "pure scorer" = scoring specialist and not "defensive specialist" or "pure point guard"
Macijauskas 0.75 = 258 (= 62rb + 36as +36st + 3bl + 56pg + 65to) / 344 points
Maskoliunas 3.84 = 223 (= 50 + 65 + 16 + 1 + 62 + 29) / 58 points

Look,be patient with me .

Macijauskas 0.75 = 258

makes no sense at all .
Please ,provide values for each side of your equation .
what is that number 344 for ? why are you putting plus to turnovers ?
Are you doing averages ?Why lower number is better when we are talking about the opposite values as in best scorer (highest number )?

 

[LuDux2]

Same thing but with more activities included

In perfect world turnovers made while trying to score would be added to points

LT NT Pure Ice ranking (minimum 140 points, pts per (ast+Orb))

[TD="class: xl66"]1. Macijauskas A - 6.3[/TD]

[TD="class: xl66"]2. Kleiza L - 5.6[/TD]

[TD="class: xl66"]3. Štombergas S - 4.9[/TD]

[TD="class: xl66"]4. Einikis G - 4.7[/TD]

[TD="class: xl66"]5. Kurtinaitis R - 4.5[/TD]

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[Straight forward2]

I know it's a bit negative idea, but how about the worst NT player ever? Here would be my candidates:

G. Markevicius, K.Marciulionis, Prekevicius, Mazutis, Andriuskevicius, G. Gustas, Vasiliauskas, Kariniauskas

Would be really hard to go with one.

 

[LuDux2]

if we go by slightly modified "good stats minus turnovers per minute"
70. Prekevicius -1.74 (2/4 fg 1as 4 to)
69. Kariniauskas 4.4
68. Grigonis 4.7
67. Vasiliauskas 5.9
66. Lekavicius

64. Markevicius
62. Mazutis
56. Gustas
11. Andriuskevicius
8. K.Marciulionis
1. Silinskis

 

[Shawshank2]

The worst team of all time:

PG Karinauskas,Mazutis
SG Prekevicius,Vasiliauskas
SF Jomantas
PF
C Andriuskevicius,Silinskis

more or less i dont remember players that would stick to your head right away as awfull.Ofcourse basically almost all of them are PG.Because we always try those lkl material PG and do not works in high quality competions like 95% of possibility.But when you dont have nothing or close to that in that position,you need to try and hope for miracles

OPfcourse Lekavicius and Grigonis had bad rookie campaings in their first year (both missed everything),but we hope that they will be good later on and most likely it will happen.Thats why we dont include them,but they sucked in first year.When guard missing open shots all tournament long,that sucks and obviuosly hurts the team.Seibutis also plays defence in zalgiris,but when he misses all his shots he just sucks and we can say he plays well.

 

[Straight forward2]

if we go by slightly modified "good stats minus turnovers per minute"
70. Prekevicius -1.74 (2/4 fg 1as 4 to)
69. Kariniauskas 4.4
68. Grigonis 4.7
67. Vasiliauskas 5.9
66. Lekavicius

64. Markevicius
62. Mazutis
56. Gustas
11. Andriuskevicius
8. K.Marciulionis
1. Silinskis

How Juskevicius didn't make the list with this last summer performance? This is interesting, but this is not the best way to decide the worst player. Some of those were complete non-factors, just made few open shots in trash minutes, while such as Lekavicius and Grigonis made impact to the game even if missed their shots. Anyway, nice list. When Silinskis made the team BTW? I don't remember that.

Shaw, I doubt Jomantas was that bad. At the very worst he had to produce toughness at the defensive end and he does read the game a little bit. Butautas' decision to make him PG was an idiot move, can't blame Jomantas here.

 

[LuDux2]

Andriuskevicius 26 minutes 9 rb, 1as 1 st, 1 bl, 3to, 3/5-0/0-1/2

How Juskevicius didn't make the list with this last summer performance? This is interesting, but this is not the best way to decide the worst player. Some of those were complete non-factors, just made few open shots in trash minutes, while such as Lekavicius and Grigonis made impact to the game even if missed their shots. Anyway, nice list. When Silinskis made the team BTW? I don't remember that.

Shaw, I doubt Jomantas was that bad. At the very worst he had to produce toughness at the defensive end and he does read the game a little bit. Butautas' decision to make him PG was an idiot move, can't blame Jomantas here.

Statistically per minute Juskevicius'16 was better than Juskevicius'16
Silinskis 1 game 2 minutes 2pt 1/1 in 2005

 

[auris12]

I know it's a bit negative idea, but how about the worst NT player ever? Here would be my candidates:

Actually ,it is ).
I would call them "one-hit wonder" boys . You know , getting to the top 12 just by being there at the right time at the right moment .
So maybe , just for the sake of the stats where we need more than one digit of entries , we should limit ourselves to the players who played more than one tournament / one game / one minute or shot?

 

[Mindozas6]

I know it's a bit negative idea, but how about the worst NT player ever? Here would be my candidates:

G. Markevicius, K.Marciulionis, Prekevicius, Mazutis, Andriuskevicius, G. Gustas, Vasiliauskas, Kariniauskas

Would be really hard to go with one.

Only in NT or overall? Overall it's easily Mazutis, while in NT, well, it's complicated. Depends a lot on roster you have, chances you're getting

 

[LuDux2]

So maybe , just for the sake of the stats where we need more than one digit of entries , we should limit ourselves to the players who played more than one tournament / one game / one minute or shot?

1995-2016, more than 1 tournament, rating points per possible game (for example S.Sabonis played 4 out of 9 games in 2015 and 6/6 in 2016, equals 15 games)

2 tournaments
Pačėsas 2,0
Šalenga 2,0
Jurkūnas 2,3
other Marčiulionis 2,5

3 tournaments
Slanina 1,4
Kavaliauskas 3,2

4 tournaments
Gustas 2,7

6 tournaments
Delininkaitis 3,6

Slanina?

 

[auris12]

1995-2016, more than 1 tournament, rating points per possible game (for example S.Sabonis played 4 out of 9 games in 2015 and 6/6 in 2016, equals 15 games)

2 tournaments
Pačėsas 2,0
Šalenga 2,0
Jurkūnas 2,3
other Marčiulionis 2,5

3 tournaments
Slanina 1,4
Kavaliauskas 3,2

4 tournaments
Gustas 2,7

6 tournaments
Delininkaitis 3,6

Slanina?

Well , that was a trick question , i have to say .
You can not be a worst player if you have been selected more than once , right ? You can have worst stats ,that is given , just because ...
But being a sport that i am ....
I am really surprised though that Gustas had been in 4 tournaments . So he is out just for the sheer number of being selected ,
Delininkaitis - he is so good at being so mediocre that is frightening . Seskus said , just a few months ago in one of his interviews , where he is being frank as he is and says too much , that Delininkaitis has told him that he was happy to stay in the corner for a whole of his career,yet averaging about 10 points per game . Yet , at 35 he had managed quite a few 30 plus games this year when needed. Whatever it is , Deli is still is one of them good players left from our past generation .So, not him either .
Salenga is metal .He is our Ginobly ,the guy who doesn't age and still carries the class and pedigree of old timers .
Bar others ,for me it would have to be a choice between Jurkunas or other Marciulionis ,

 

[Babajas3]

Well , that was a trick question , i have to say .
You can not be a worst player if you have been selected more than once , right ? You can have worst stats ,that is given , just because ...
But being a sport that i am ....
I am really surprised though that Gustas had been in 4 tournaments . So he is out just for the sheer number of being selected ,
Delininkaitis - he is so good at being so mediocre that is frightening . Seskus said , just a few months ago in one of his interviews , where he is being frank as he is and says too much , that Delininkaitis has told him that he was happy to stay in the corner for a whole of his career,yet averaging about 10 points per game . Yet , at 35 he had managed quite a few 30 plus games this year when needed. Whatever it is , Deli is still is one of them good players left from our past generation .So, not him either .
Salenga is metal .He is our Ginobly ,the guy who doesn't age and still carries the class and pedigree of old timers .
Bar others ,for me it would have to be a choice between Jurkunas or other Marciulionis ,

Damn right it's not Delininkaitis, if it weren't for his heroic shooting in the 4th quarter against Bulgaria back in '09, we'd probably have ended our journey in the first round. For me, it's Mazutis if we just look at the stat line and overall team strength, but hey, many people were upset at Songaila for letting go of the ball after a rebound back in '11 against Macedonia, and giving them another chance at a possession which resulted in Ilievski nailing a triple. Jasikevicius also had his fair share of "good moments", the most notable being the semifinal game against Spain in Beijing, when he made a couple of turnovers in the waning minutes of a close game and blew our chances of going to the final. Even great players sometimes become the worst players overnight, which only goes to show the heterogeneity of thought in our basketball community.

 

[Straight forward2]

Jasikevicius also had his fair share of "good moments", the most notable being the semifinal game against Spain in Beijing, when he made a couple of turnovers in the waning minutes of a close game and blew our chances of going to the final. Even great players sometimes become the worst players overnight, which only goes to show the heterogeneity of thought in our basketball community.

Remembering 2008 and this great game (one of the best games of 00's NT team, we walked step by step with rediculously strong Spain) I think Kleiza's stupid technical foul was one of the key mistakes when he grabbed one of Spaniards in the fast brake. Overall that was huge tournament, but too many players underperformed. FOA, Kleiza who played like a beast in the group stage (he was ~15pts player), completely vanished in the knock out stage and hurt NT with extremely stupid decisions. Second, Ksistof was one of the best 4 in Euroleague at that time, potential member of EL season top 5 (13pts, 62,6%, 57,9% in 20min for Siena) badly struggled and were missing his shots. Lastly, Siskauskas, at the time El MVP calibre player, wasn't that sharp and good as in 2007 EB. Saras on other hand was great till those clutch moments you mention and he struggled in the small final against Argentina. It's an off topic, but that just was a hell of tournament for Lithuania with a disappointing ending:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKrhqmB7xGY

 

[Mindozas6]

Well , that was a trick question , i have to say .
You can not be a worst player if you have been selected more than once , right ? You can have worst stats ,that is given , just because ...
But being a sport that i am ....
I am really surprised though that Gustas had been in 4 tournaments . So he is out just for the sheer number of being selected ,
Delininkaitis - he is so good at being so mediocre that is frightening . Seskus said , just a few months ago in one of his interviews , where he is being frank as he is and says too much , that Delininkaitis has told him that he was happy to stay in the corner for a whole of his career,yet averaging about 10 points per game . Yet , at 35 he had managed quite a few 30 plus games this year when needed. Whatever it is , Deli is still is one of them good players left from our past generation .So, not him either .
Salenga is metal .He is our Ginobly ,the guy who doesn't age and still carries the class and pedigree of old timers .
Bar others ,for me it would have to be a choice between Jurkunas or other Marciulionis ,

Gustas was a good player, just those free-throws against Maccabi made him persona non grata in Lithuania and broke him down psychologically, even tho Tanoka was the most to blame there, but fans simply didn't care. Anyway, Gustas was having some decent games in EL in that Sabas' season.
I can't agree on Jurkunas or Marciulionis. Both were just way more talented than Mazutis.

 

[auris12]

I can't agree on Jurkunas or Marciulionis. Both were just way more talented than Mazutis.

As I said , in case you have missed it , all i wanted to do is to separate a bunch of players who were mistakenly invited to play for our NT once rather than the ones who played twice or more .
Regarding Mazutis , of course he was no good . But lets remember who invited him to the team in first place - Butautas , that's who. And Eitutavicius ? I think that was Butautas too .
i understand when coaches make mistakes by inviting young or youngish players and they do not perform , not then or afterwards .
ps
OK, so i might have been wrong regarding Eitutavicius . According to WIKI , he was just a candidate in 2010 team under Kemzura.
I just remember myself being angry of seeing him wearing national team shirts after Mazutis fiasco.

 

[Shawshank2]

Top 3 by positions Ltu nt 1992-2016

1.Jasikevicius
2.Kalnietis
3.Chomicius

SG
1.Marciulionis
2.Macijauskas
3.Kurtinaitis/Kaukenas

SF
1.Siskauskas
2.Karnisovas
3.Stombergas

PF
1.Kleiza
2.Songaila
3.Ksistof

C
1.Sabonis
2.Valanciunas
3.Einikis

All time starting 5

Jasikevicius 2003, Marciulionis 1992, Siskauskas 2007, Kleiza 2010, Sabonis 1995 versions

 

[Hepcat2]

Top 3 by positions Ltu nt 1992-2016

SF
1.Siskauskas
2.Karnisovas
3.Stombergas

I'd be inclined to move Artūras Karnišovas up to the #1 slot at SF. Karnišovas' 18.33 points per game ranks third behind only Šarūnas Marčiulionis' 20.24 and Arvydas Sabonis' 19.90 PPG totals. Ramūnas Šiškauskas tallied "only" 12.86 PPG which is #6 on the list of Team Lietuva players.