All time NT

[LuDux2]

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[auris12]

sport. centralnyj sportivnyj klub armiy (Central Sport Club of the Army)

Ahh,thanks. It makes much more sense for me now .
Off topic, but i have read somewhere that in old times (soviet ) all government departments (local and central) had to have some specialists whose sole purpose was to know acronyms and advice fellow workers accordingly. That was because they wanted to cut on bureaucracy and save some money on paper and telegraph etc . New order of things. Eventually it got so bad ,because everything , and i mean literately all orders was sent in acronyms . Eventuality , i think they stopped. LOL

 

[LuDux2]

Lithuanians in Soviet Union "N"T

Lithuanians in Soviet Union NT
1947 EC (gold): S.Butautas 18pts 1 game, V.Kukalauskas 2/1, K.Petkevicius 1/1, I.Lagunavicius 0/1



1951 EC (gold): S.Butautas 127/8 , I.Lagunavicius 25/7
1952 OG (silver): S.Butautas 85/8, K.Petkevicius 57/7, J.Lagunavicius 5/2, S.Stonkus 0/0,
1953 EC (gold): S.Butautas 83/7, K.Petkevicius 54/10, A.Lauritenas 42/6, I Lagunavicius 4/2

1955 EC (bronze): K.Petkevicius 57/11, S.Stonkus 49/9, A.Lauritenas 3/5
1956 OG(silver): S.Stonkus 80/5, K.Petkevicius 40/7, A.Lauritenas 29/5
1957 EC(Gold): S.Stonkus 125/9, A.Lauritenas 48/8







1965 EC(gold): M Paulauskas 128/9
1967 WC(gold): M.Paulauskas 124/9
1967 EC(gold): M.Paulauskas 126/9
1968 OG(bronze): M.Paulauskas 144/9
1969 EC(gold): M.Paulauskas 119/7
1970 WC(bronze): M.Paulauskas 109/9
1971 EC(gold): M.Paulauskas 115/7
1972 OG(gold): M.Paulauskas 100/9
1973 EC(bronze): M.Paulauskas 84/7
1974 WC(gold): M.Paulauskas 101/9



1978 WC(silver): S.Jovaisa 28/7
1979 EC(gold): V.CHomicius 30/5
1980 OG (bronze): S.Jovaisa 70/8
1981 EC (gold): S.Jovaisa 82/9
1982 WC (gold): V.Chomicius 122/8, S.Jovaisa 88/9, A.Sabonis 48/5
1983 EC (bronze): A.Sabonis 124/7, S.Jovaisa 100/7, V.Chomicius 59/6
1984 OG (qualif.): A.Sabonis 138/9, R.Kurtinaitis 118/9, S.Jovaisa 109/6, V.Chomicius 106/9
1985 EC (gold): A.Sabonis 161/8, R.Kurtinaitis 120/8, V.Chomicius 87/8, S.Jovaisa 54/8
1986 WC (silver): A.Sabonis 153/10, R.Kurtinaitis 143/10, V.Chomicius 49/7
1987 EC (silver): S.Marciulionis 125/7, V.Chomicius 82/8, S.Jovaisa 55/5
1988 OG (gold): S.Marciulionis 145/8, R.Kurtinaitis 107/8, A.Sabonis 93/7, V.Chomicius 61/8
1989 EC (bronze): S.Marciulionis 90/5, A.Sabonis 82/5, V.Chomicius 48/5, R.Kurtinaitis 28/3

 

[auris12]

1952 OG (silver): S.Butautas 85/8, K.Petkevicius 57/7, J.Lagunavicius 5/2, S.Stonkus 0/0,
1953 EC (gold): S.Butautas 83/7, K.Petkevicius 54/10, A.Lauritenas 42/6, I Lagunavicius 4/2

I did not know that we had 4 players in OG apart from 1988 .
And damn , Paulauskas is loaded with titles ,isn't he ? In his heyday he must have been godlike figure in Kaunas .But that was before my time.
Once more ,great post ,LuDux .
BTW ,your nick , what does it stand for?

 

[LuDux2]

I did not know that we had 4 players in OG apart from 1988 .
And damn , Paulauskas is loaded with titles ,isn't he ? In his heyday he must have been godlike figure in Kaunas .But that was before my time.
Once more ,great post ,LuDux .
BTW ,your nick , what does it stand for?

Right after war teams had 14 men rosters, so it's more like 3.5 lithuanians

Also Paulauskas was top scorer or most of those teams

Liudas > Liuduks> Ludux > LuDux, because I'm regal like that

 

[auris12]

So ,did you hear about recent Kurtinaitis interview ?
http://sportas.lrytas.lt/krepsinis/r-kurtinaitis-apie-j-kazlausko-filosofija-ir-jaunaja-karta.htm
As far as i understand , this is just a part transcribed for newspaper article from his TV interview .Or maybe i just missed the thing i am about to say . Anyways , he says that he doesn't understand people who do not pay they dues for the system they were part of and should be thankful for . He said something alongside lines ,that refusal to play for NT team is inexcusable because you just bought a house a in USA and you had to move some furniture because your wife insisted .
I think he meant Ilgauskas ,who i defended for so long . But come to think about it ,maybe i was just wrong about him . Maybe he just never wanted to play for NT team . Which is fine for me .And made those excuse every summer that he wasn't injured . He should have come clean, I think .

 

[auris12]

Right after war teams had 14 men rosters, so it's more like 3.5 lithuanians

Also Paulauskas was top scorer or most of those teams

Liudas > Liuduks> Ludux > LuDux, because I'm regal like that

Ha, no matter how many players they had on the team at the time ,number is still 4 .
But kudos to you once more - another fact i have learned today . So when 14 become 12 ?

I get the part where das becomes Dux. What about Lu ?
And now i become intrigued . What is it that you do in life ? And what did you study ,if you don't mind me asking ?

 

[LuDux2]

I get the part where das becomes Dux. What about Lu ?
And now i become intrigued . What is it that you do in life ? And what did you study ,if you don't mind me asking ?

Liu > Lew > Lu
Nothing, just waisting riches inherited from my predecestors who were duces as well (Dux (/dʌks, dʊks/; plural: duces) is Latin for "leader" (from the noun dux, ducis, "leader, general") and later for duke and its variant forms (doge, duce, etc.))

 

[auris12]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXmMWbxM4w#t=3261.957206
Remarkable story . And that part when he says that he would rather stay with Zalgiris instead of going to CSKA while being a captain of soviet national team ? Jesus .

 

[Mindozas6]

So ,did you hear about recent Kurtinaitis interview ?
http://sportas.lrytas.lt/krepsinis/r-kurtinaitis-apie-j-kazlausko-filosofija-ir-jaunaja-karta.htm
As far as i understand , this is just a part transcribed for newspaper article from his TV interview .Or maybe i just missed the thing i am about to say . Anyways , he says that he doesn't understand people who do not pay they dues for the system they were part of and should be thankful for . He said something alongside lines ,that refusal to play for NT team is inexcusable because you just bought a house a in USA and you had to move some furniture because your wife insisted .
I think he meant Ilgauskas ,who i defended for so long . But come to think about it ,maybe i was just wrong about him . Maybe he just never wanted to play for NT team . Which is fine for me .And made those excuse every summer that he wasn't injured . He should have come clean, I think .

He meant Timinskas. His "moving furniture" excuse/story became legendary in LT

 

[auris12]

He meant Timinskas. His "moving furniture" excuse/story became legendary in LT

Aha . Shit, I did not know that as in never heard this story before . I am really glad that i am finding new things out for myself on this forum . What year/tournament are we talking about ?
And more pressing issue - do i have to reconsider Ilgauskas again ? Are you sure it was not him ?

 

[auris12]

Nothing, just waisting riches inherited from my predecestors who were duces as well (Dux (/dʌks, dʊks/; plural: duces) is Latin for "leader" (from the noun dux, ducis, "leader, general") and later for duke and its variant forms (doge, duce, etc.))

OK, let me just clarify something .
I know it would be easier to communicate in Lithuanian regarding certain terms ,but...since it is English spoken forum .
It would make much more sense to me in this case .
And weren't they suppose to be piss poor ? And even if they had anything left ,didn't Soviets take it away ?
Unless to reclaimed it back .

 

[Mindozas6]

Aha . Shit, I did not know that as in never heard this story before . I am really glad that i am finding new things out for myself on this forum . What year/tournament are we talking about ?
And more pressing issue - do i have to reconsider Ilgauskas again ? Are you sure it was not him ?

It was probably 2003, cant say for sure, but it must have been 2003, Ilgauskas, no, he had serious excuses

 

[auris12]

It was probably 2003, cant say for sure, but it must have been 2003, Ilgauskas, no, he had serious excuses

2003 ?
The year to miss .
Even me , I did not miss that year .

 

[LuDux2]

From 1947 to 1989, in 38 final EC, OG, WC tournaments and 1 olympic qualification tournament SU NT scored 28157 pounts. Lithuanians scored 5023 points or 17.8%, Latvians 9.4%, Estonians and Georgians 5.2% each and 1 Armenian 0.6%.
Top 10 best performances by Lithuanians:
1988: 55.8%
1985: 48.3
1989: 48.2
1984: 46.8
1983: 41.6
1986: 33.0
1987: 31:8
1952: 31.4
1953: 26.7
1982: 26.2

Top 7 best Latvian performances happened 1956-1964

 

[auris12]

From 1947 to 1989, in 38 final EC, OG, WC tournaments and 1 olympic qualification tournament SU NT scored 28157 pounts. Lithuanians scored 5023 points or 17.8%, Latvians 9.4%, Estonians and Georgians 5.2% each and 1 Armenian 0.6%.
Top 10 best performances by Lithuanians:
1988: 55.8%
1985: 48.3
1989: 48.2
1984: 46.8
1983: 41.6
1986: 33.0
1987: 31:8
1952: 31.4
1953: 26.7
1982: 26.2

Top 7 best Latvian performances happened 1956-1964

Another great post . You should post here your spreadsheets or whatever it is called nowadays .
So how about Estonians then ?
Was Enden Enden ,that blonde guy who played for CSKA ,was the only one to play for Soviets before they collapsed ?
Tiit Sokk was another one who played for them too , I assume ?

 

[LuDux2]

Another great post . You should post here your spreadsheets or whatever it is called nowadays .
So how about Estonians then ?
Was Enden Enden ,that blonde guy who played for CSKA ,was the only one to play for Soviets before they collapsed ?
Tiit Sokk was another one who played for them too , I assume ?

I didn't wrote names down
Most Estonian NTs
1951 20.8% 3 players
1967w 19.8 2
1968 16.9 2
1967w 14.5 3
1970 14.4 2

 

[Straight forward2]

In NT thread we kinda talked that current NT lacking true pure scorers. That Kleiza kinda was the last of that kind. So I tried to figure it out who are the best pure scorers in all time NT and there's my list:

1. Marciulionis. Most talented and most explosive scorer of Lith BB, IMO. He could just do it all by himself. He averaged 23,7ppg in 1995 EB. Also he had the season in NBA when he averaged 19ppg for a strong PO Worriors team. No-one even stand close to that so far. Maybe Ilgauskas with 17ppg.
2. Sabonis. I was about not to even include him to this list because he was such an all around center, surely it's hard to name him as a pure scorer, but he was averaging 23,9ppg in OG 1992. I had to put him in after that because he just was so good at scoring in the prime. I could not imagine that JV would average that kind of numbers even of we would feed him in every possession. So it's still between Sabonis and Marciulionis, but since Sabonis never had an opportunity to prove him self in NBA at his prime and Marciulionis I think had even more impressive individual performances in national teams - 1988, 1992, 1995. It's close, but if I would go for pure scorer prime Marciulionis would be my choice.
3. Kleiza. Close call between him and Karnisovas, but I have to go with Kleiza averaging 19ppg (2010 WC) and it could be much more ifUSA hadn't shut him down completely in semis. Also he has some funny numbers in Youth level (29,1ppg in 2003WC), won best scorers Euroleague's title. He was all about scoring.
4. Karnisovas. All time best Lithuanian scorer in total points. 21ppg in 1997EB in his prime. Karnisovas generally was better player than Kleiza was, but since it's pure scorer list, I go with him.
5. Macijauskas. And some of you guys would put him in front of Kleiza and Karnisovas. He was brilliant in 2003-2004. Averaged 19,4ppg in Euroleague. But he never lead NT to medals per se and never really peaked. Injuries killed his career.
6. Jasikevicius. Hard choice between him and Siskauskas/Stombergas/Kurtinaitis/Kaukenas. Saras was an all around guard, but statistically he averaged best 15,7ppg in 2004 season. Also he was very stable scorer in NT since 1999.

That would be my lets say objective list judging from the stats. But if I would be asked who is the best "pure scorers" of NT - that would be Marciulionis, Kleiza, Macijauskas, Kaukenas. Those were all about scoring in their prime.

PS: Chomicius averaged 15,3ppg for a heck of Soviet team in 1982 WC. He should be mentioned at least. Also I do remember that Kalnietis averaged 18ppg last summer, but his club career doesn't say he's a great scorer, even if he had few really good season in Russia. So worth mentioning probably.

 

[Shawshank2]

As pure scorer macijauskas 2002-2005 years was not only one of the best ltu nt history, overall in europe just deadly scoring machine .Name kalashnikov come from that.

Who was leading scorer from eurobasket 2003 champions? Yeah our kalashnikov As pure scorer he was no doubt best from that golden generation players.

Both navarro and macas was born in 1980. In 2003-2005 best europes Sg was Macijauskas.There were time when young macas was better than young navarro and that says alot.

Marciulionis is my favorite player of all time and overall better player than Macas, but as pure points scorer in not so sure who was better.

 

[LuDux2]

So I took top 40 players in played minutes (out of 70) and compared points scored to (rb+as+st+bl+to+pf)
Purest scorers:
Macijauskas 0,75
Karnysovas 0,82
Stombergas 0,90
Kurtinaitis 0,91
Siskauskas 0,91


Purest scorers:
Maskoliunas 3,84
M Zukauskas 1,80
E Zukauskas 1,61
Javtokas 1,61
Gustas 1,60

bunch of championships in 90s are missing block stats so Siskauskas is probably 3rd purest shooter