47th PBA Season (Philippine Cup, Commissioner’s Cup & Governor’s Cup)

[thatweirdguy2]

Then why are we asking PBA to have unlimited height when quality bigs are abundant in 6'10 and below?

So that teams can also opt for quality players over 6'10? Why limit the choices? And my understanding of the rule is nobody is forcing anybody to hire taller players?

 

[IPC2]

I personally disagree with the height limit restrictions when it comes to development. It?s great for entertainment but then when it comes to international competition there will be teams with 7footers or fall players in general. Like the KBL height limit of 6?6 is not great for development when players go up against international centers or forwards and aren?t used to guarding or going up against that height or length.

Good thing the KBL revoked that height limit of 200cm/186cm the season after they issued that rule.

 

[TheRodster212]

Good thing the KBL revoked that height limit of 200cm/186cm the season after they issued that rule.

Thank you for clarifying that. Found this article found some interesting stuff
https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.co...okes-ban-on-tall-foreign-players/3059304.html

...The move was made in a bid to increase the number of Korean-born athletes playing center. The KBL also argued at the time that the height limitation would allow faster play and higher scoring games...

...Since the tallest athletes usually play at center, foreign players tend to dominate the position in Korea. Due to the height restriction, fans were no longer able to see some of their favorite KBL stars...

...To allow more playing time for domestic players, the height restrictions did not apply to Korean players...

...The ban on tall players turned out to be a failure almost as soon as the season began. Rather than attracting more fans, the KBL ended up losing spectators this year. As it?s now just domestic players competing for the center spot, there were concerns that Korea?s international competitiveness might drop as basketball players from other countries are a lot taller...

...In addition to the removal of all height restrictions, starting in the 2019-20 season, the KBL also got rid of its career limit rule. Foreign players who had played in 10 NBA games or more in the three seasons before they arrived in Korea are currently banned from playing in the KBL. That will not apply from next season...

 

[zairex2]

So that teams can also opt for quality players over 6'10? Why limit the choices? And my understanding of the rule is nobody is forcing anybody to hire taller players?

Option is good but I just saying if the reality is that option is not being use then is no different from others who have restriction. Besides the reason for unlimited is to make players use to playing taller opponents. Thats not happening in B League as NT was beaten badly by Aus and China. So why is not working in Japan.
Is that really a problem in Philippines NT performance that unlimited height and multiple imports will solve

 

[Rds2]

As some of the guys here said, allowing tall imports will move our undersized bigs to their more internationally sized position or fitness level. Case in point is Junemar. He is shooting more perimeter shots now after injury. But with taller imports he would have been forced to play lighter and quicker earlier. That would have served him well internationally. At his PBA prime he couldnt play much minutes in a Fiba game because he was too heavy and slow to play good defense.

 

[TheRodster212]

Option is good but I just saying if the reality is that option is not being use then is no different from others who have restriction. Besides the reason for unlimited is to make players use to playing taller opponents. Thats not happening in B League as NT was beaten badly by Aus and China. So why is not working in Japan.
Is that really a problem in Philippines NT performance that unlimited height and multiple imports will solve

Not on its own really, the problems of the NT and the program are clearly more complicated than just this aspect.

 

[Supremo302]

Then why are we asking PBA to have unlimited height when quality bigs are abundant in 6'10 and below?

It is because of the way PBA measures height. Unlimited height doesn't mean teams needed to get a 7-footer, it will just give the team more options to choose from and it will be easier to find imports since they don't need to verify his actual size.

 

[Supremo302]

I understand the option but if reality is they are not using it then its no different than having height restrictions.

The best benefit of lifting the height restrictions is the freedom to choose who they want without the worries that the player they choose is under the said height restriction, and it will lessen the procedure from recruiting player.


With the current setup, imports are measured in the PBA office in a lying position, which scientifically it will make you taller against the standing measuring way.

 

[zairex2]

As some of the guys here said, allowing tall imports will move our undersized bigs to their more internationally sized position or fitness leve.Case in point is Junemar. He is shooting more perimeter shots now after injury. But with taller imports he would have been forced to play lighter and quicker earlier. That would have served him well internationally. At his PBA prime he couldnt play much minutes in a Fiba game because he was too heavy and slow to play good defense.

This is question for me, if this is true why Japan not showing this kind of result

 

[NOiNU2]

This is question for me, if this is true why Japan not showing this kind of result

If there’s one country in Asia that knows a thing or two about the importance of having mobile 4s, it’s Japan. They have identified Rui and Yuta early and gave them the best pathway there is to develop.

If you wanna argue we don’t see much of them outside of those two, the answer is the multiplicity of imports. 3 world imports of which you can use two at once hampers the proliferation of such type if players. Look at the type of players they’re employing— 4 and 5 with diverse skill sets. With a one import setup, it’s a guarantee the locals are getting enough playing time at the 4.

 

[IPC2]

This is question for me, if this is true why Japan not showing this kind of result

If there’s one country in Asia that knows a thing or two about the importance of having mobile 4s, it’s Japan. They have identified Rui and Yuta early and gave them the best pathway there is to develop.

If you wanna argue we don’t see much of them outside of those two, the answer is the multiplicity of imports. 3 world imports of which you can use two at once hampers the proliferation of such type if players. Look at the type of players they’re employing— 4 and 5 with diverse skill sets. With a one import setup, it’s a guarantee the locals are getting enough playing time at the 4.

Here's the thing for Japan, they don't have the size too, to compete with the likes of China, Iran, and even Lebanon.

We know how to develop bigs like June Mar and Japeth. It's just that, we have too few locals that have the height of the bigs I mentioned, which is 206-208cm, and we're too content in developing 6'4"-6'6" traditional bigs.

 

[zairex2]

If there’s one country in Asia that knows a thing or two about the importance of having mobile 4s, it’s Japan. They have identified Rui and Yuta early and gave them the best pathway there is to develop.

If you wanna argue we don’t see much of them outside of those two, the answer is the multiplicity of imports. 3 world imports of which you can use two at once hampers the proliferation of such type if players. Look at the type of players they’re employing— 4 and 5 with diverse skill sets. With a one import setup, it’s a guarantee the locals are getting enough playing time at the 4.

The thing Rui and Yuta didn't play in B.league so they aren't affected by imports. They are great in supporting their players in staying in D1 but gettinh Rui and Yuta was just the frst things they made the right moves on. Even Rui's brother is not getting close to the level of nba prospect.

So is 3 imports not as good as being discuss here. As some wants to adapt that kind of setup.

 

[NOiNU2]

The thing Rui and Yuta didn't play in B.league so they aren't affected by imports. They are great in supporting their players in staying in D1 but gettinh Rui and Yuta was just the frst things they made the right moves on. Even Rui's brother is not getting close to the level of nba prospect.

So is 3 imports not as good as being discuss here. As some wants to adapt that kind of setup.

Did anyone ever say Yuta and Rui played in Bleague?

Everything has its pros and cons. With that many teams the B league is better off with more imports.

 

[Silent Killer2]

Having multiple imports in philippines is too foreign.. each countries has multiple imports..

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

If there?s one country in Asia that knows a thing or two about the importance of having mobile 4s, it?s Japan. They have identified Rui and Yuta early and gave them the best pathway there is to develop.

If you wanna argue we don?t see much of them outside of those two, the answer is the multiplicity of imports. 3 world imports of which you can use two at once hampers the proliferation of such type if players. Look at the type of players they?re employing? 4 and 5 with diverse skill sets. With a one import setup, it?s a guarantee the locals are getting enough playing time at the 4.

I think it's Iran who has tons of mobile 4 than Japan... From Sahakihan, Kazemi, Roustanpour... those guys are very tough and agile 4s of Iran basketball... They are not as talented as Rui but they are fit in their respective roles....

 

[IPC2]

I think it's Iran who has tons of mobile 4 than Japan... From Sahakihan, Kazemi, Roustanpour... those guys are very tough and agile 4s of Iran basketball... They are not as talented as Rui but they are fit in their respective roles....

Iranian League has two imports. A lot of the imports may play the perimeter positions, but some are bigs, and they aren't displacing the quality fours and centers in that league.

If teams already have good and/or promising bigs or wings, they won't recruit an import playing the same position. Japeth, CStand, June Mar, Mo, and Sangalang weren't displaced by imports in the PBA. Neither were the likes of Justin Chua, Justin Arana, and Troy Rosario.

 

[PaulLee32]

They probably asked for some first round pick cause Converge ain't a farm team of SMC and MVP Teams.

 

[IPC2]

Did anyone ever say Yuta and Rui played in Bleague?

Everything has its pros and cons. With that many teams the B league is better off with more imports.

That's why if we want a two-import setup, the PBA need to add more teams.

But still, we don't have enough players who are either too good to be displaced at the 5 (Japeth, CStand, June Mar, Chua, Arana) or who are good enough but can be moved to or play the 4 (Mo, Sangalang, Troy, maybe Erram and Almazan). Neither do we have enough starting-caliber or promising 196cm+ wings like Malonzo, Oftana, Navarro, Arvin, Gabe, and Gray. And not every team has those assets too.

PBA teams (and Philippine teams in general) lack in one or more of the following areas: 196cm+ wings, 199cm+ switchable forwards and bigs, and rim protection. Imports would greatly help solve these problems.

In addition, having Ange Kouame, Terrence Jones, or Prince Ibeh-type foreigners might force developers and coaches to change how they develop 194-201cm young players. Either play wing or 4, or be a backup if you wanna make it big in the PBA.

 

[Supremo302]

They probably asked for some first round pick cause Converge ain't a farm team of SMC and MVP Teams.

There's a possibility with this rumor, but will Aldin Ayo just let this happen? Yes, Delta is their team manager, but I don't think this is not a good trade for them. I would rather get Arwind Santos and give some picks to NP than trading for Ian.

 

[Rds2]

They probably asked for some first round pick cause Converge ain't a farm team of SMC and MVP Teams.

Yeah this doesnt make sense. Arana is a good defender. Sangalang is a worse rim protector. Ayo likes a fast pace. Sangalang will just bog him down. Unless its the Boss's call