47th PBA Season (Philippine Cup, Commissioner’s Cup & Governor’s Cup)

[zairex2]

That's Stephen friggin' Curry. One of the greatest shooters of all time. It wouldn't matter if there's a hand in his face. He's just that good. But there's only ONE Steph, and there are few that are remotely similar, like Dame, KD, CP3. When those guys get going, what can you do? Just put your hands up, and that's a good play. If they make it, they make it.

Ordinary players (in comparison), on the other hand, could get bothered more often, and could go out of rhythm more easily. Height and length can play a factor, even though defense is a lot about effort, positioning, and speed.

Give me a skilled shooter that struggle shooting because he was guarded by ordinary defender but has 2 inch advantage.

 

[dubidub2]

He is strong and seems to be a cerebral player. Undersized though. He needs to study Quinahan if he wants to bring his game to the next even international level. Quinahan was the center of the strong UV lancers team that even defeated good Manila teams. He was a good passer with a decent perimeter shot but undersized and slow. He bounced around teams until he came under Yengs wing. He extended his shot to the 3 pt line. But what unlocked Quinahans game was when he lost a lot of weight and incorporated a drive game. He became good enough to play some 3.

If Arana extends his range to the 3 pt line and develops a dribble game he will be a superstar.

i remember watching arana's rookie year in UST and thought of him to be very promising. he was tall, thin, and very agile. i thought he could've been a 3/4. I guess when he transferred to the ncaa, he had to bulk up. sure he's stronger but he's slower now.

 

[IPC2]

i remember watching arana's rookie year in UST and thought of him to be very promising. he was tall, thin, and very agile. i thought he could've been a 3/4. I guess when he transferred to the ncaa, he had to bulk up. sure he's stronger but he's slower now.

Yeah. Shame he (as well as Mamu, Shaun, and Javi) wasn't called up for Gilas. His position internationally is 4. He might have been forced to learn that spot.

Regardless, I hope he can learn to play 4 at least in the PBA. Maybe when the Commissioner's Cup comes up.

 

[IPC2]

So its not the height then. Skills than height

Defense is about positioning and effort, so yeah. Height and length are also crucial too. The best defenders often had good physical tools, whether height, length, speed, strength, or a combination. Gabe was one.

Ping was undersized, but he had quickness, effort, good positioning, and strength. He had the ability to switch. Those attributes compensated for his lack of height. These kinds of guys are usually the exception.

And I did say too short and/or slow to rotate, so height was a factor. Navarro helped bother the taller Korean shooters. He had the height and length to go with that defensive ability. Height and length can be a big boost, especially when you're positioned right and you time your rotations well.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

So what will be the benefit. Will you block a shot if you 2 inch more if the other player have wide shoulder and shoot a hook shot. Its skills over height.

Bro, do U think Marlou Aquino would have been that good a shot blocker if he was 2 inches shorter. I think he would have been a significantly less efficient shot blocker if he was only 6-foot-7. Yes, shot blocking isn't really about height as aspects like timing, athleticism & even basketball I. Q. are even more important, but one can't deny that height matters in shot blocking & and 2-inch difference in height matters significantly.

Ask this questions to everyone: Would you want Kai Sotto to be 2 inches shorter than his actual height? Would you prefer a 6-foot-3 Dwight Ramos than a 6-foot-5 one (of course given the same skills, speed, athleticism, & basketball I. Q.)? Would Gabe Norwood have been as effective a wing defender if he is 2 inches shorter?

Please somebody tell me that its no big deal that Kai Sotto is 7-foot-2 & not just 7-foot-flat. I think everyone here except zairex would agree that even just a 2-inch height difference matters.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

@zairex

Who would U put to defend a 6-foot-7 wingman of the opponent, a 6-foot-3 Dwight Ramos or a 6-foot-5 Dwight Ramos? (Again that's with the notion that the 6-foot-3 & 6-foot-5 Dwight posses equal skills, quickness, athleticism & basketball I. Q.)

Please tell me that a 2-inch height difference hardly matters. Common sense bro.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Defense is about positioning and effort, so yeah. Height and length are also crucial too. The best defenders often had good physical tools, whether height, length, speed, strength, or a combination. Gabe was one.

Ping was undersized, but he had quickness, effort, good positioning, and strength. He had the ability to switch. Those attributes compensated for his lack of height. These kinds of guys are usually the exception.

And I did say too short and/or slow to rotate, so height was a factor. Navarro helped bother the taller Korean shooters. He had the height and length to go with that defensive ability. Height and length can be a big boost, especially when you're positioned right and you time your rotations well.

Now I wonder if Pingris being 2 inches shorter would have been that effective? I say a 6-foot-2 Pingris would not have been even considered in the Gilas pool at all. Again, I'm referring to 6-foot-2 version of Pingris possessing the same skills, quickness, athleticism & basketball I. Q. as a 6-foot-4 Pingris.

 

[Rds2]

Now I wonder if Pingris being 2 inches shorter would have been that effective? I say a 6-foot-2 Pingris would not have been even considered in the Gilas pool at all. Again, I'm referring to 6-foot-2 version of Pingris possessing the same skills, quickness, athleticism & basketball I. Q. as a 6-foot-4 Pingris.

Yes he might not have. Ping was what 6'3, 6'4? He was already undersized as PF. At 6'1, 6'2 he would have been too undersized. It is different if he had shooting and dribbling skills. He wouldve been like an Abueva. But internationally Abueva is more an SF than a PF. A 6'2 Ping with his offensive skills would not have made Gilas.

 

[TheRodster212]

Height I feel would affect more weight and strength but wingspans and athleticism are different factors. For defense being strong is important especially if undersized to help not get abused by taller defenders and be able to play physical to bother opponents. With length and athleticism it’s useful for dictating the ceiling on defense. Jokic for example is a good rim protector despite his athletic limitations but, he’s still limited in what he can do and can’t defend the rim like a Rudy Gobert. His IQ and positioning make up for it but he will never be a DPOY candidate even with how high his IQ is.

 

[sajubeads2]

While 6'4 or much taller Abueva will be a mainstay for Gilas until now..

A taller skilled player will always be better than a shorter skilled player...Basketball is still a tall mans game ...The Spudd Webbs and Mugsy Bogues of the world are exception than the rule....Had Iverson been 6-6 ,he could have the the greatest scorer in the NBA...Had Junmar stand 6-6 ge could not have won any PBA MVP...

 

[zairex2]

@zairex

Who would U put to defend a 6-foot-7 wingman of the opponent, a 6-foot-3 Dwight Ramos or a 6-foot-5 Dwight Ramos? (Again that's with the notion that the 6-foot-3 & 6-foot-5 Dwight posses equal skills, quickness, athleticism & basketball I. Q.)

Please tell me that a 2-inch height difference hardly matters. Common sense bro.

I will put prime abueva. Defensive skills, timing and motor. He will be a better defender than Dwight at just 6'1"

 

[CoJ2]

as JBL always say, a good big men always beats a good little men in a fight.

 

[Marsh Mello2]

I guess we can parade a midget ball if Height is not a factor. Maybe an Abueva, Corpuz Frontline can easily beat a Fajardo, Tautuaa lineup just beacuse they have more motor and skilled. Haha

 

[thatweirdguy2]

I'd pick Gabe over Abueva as far defence is concerned. While Abueva is miles ahead on offence, Gabe is used to defending the best perimeter players around. Abueva has trouble keeping up laterally and depending on his mood loses his focus on defence. He's strong, has a quick second jump and has a great motor but not really particularly quick and agile.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

While 6'4 or much taller Abueva will be a mainstay for Gilas until now..

Well, Abueva has better handles than Pingris & somehow can hit those occasional 3's from time to time. Abueva is a natural small forward while Pingris is a natural 4 who has very limited range in his shot. Ping even hardly takes those 15 to 17-foot mid-range jumpers.

So I say a 6-foot-2 version of Pingris would have been an average PBA player & won't even be considered as a Gilas prospect.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

I'd pick Gabe over Abueva as far defence is concerned. While Abueva is miles ahead on offence, Gabe is used to defending the best perimeter players around. Abueva has trouble keeping up laterally and depending on his mood loses his focus on defence. He's strong, has a quick second jump and has a great motor but not really particularly quick and agile.

Very much agree on this.

 

[CoJ2]

Well, Abueva has better handles than Pingris & somehow can hit those occasional 3's from time to time. Abueva is a natural small forward while Pingris is a natural 4 who has very limited range in his shot. Ping even hardly takes those 15 to 17-foot mid-range jumpers.

So I say a 6-foot-2 version of Pingris would have been an average PBA player & won't even be considered as a Gilas prospect.

6'2 pingris is basically Alvin Teng right?

 

[JAMSKIE2]

I will put prime abueva. Defensive skills, timing and motor. He will be a better defender than Dwight at just 6'1"

You'll put a prime Abueva to defend 6-7 Hyunjung Lee of Korea?

Good luck with that bro

 

[JAMSKIE2]

6'2 pingris is basically Alvin Teng right?

Alvin Teng is at least 6-foot-3. Teng wasn't as athletic & as mobile as Pingris.
Besides, Teng played in a generation where PBA power fowards were mostly 6-3 to 6-4 & centers were 6-5 & 6-6. PBA big men have become bigger/taller now.

Teng was also known aa a tenacious defender, but he defended old school big men who are the back-to-the-basket types of bigs. I don't think Teng would be able to keep in step with the new generation fours who are usually the facing-the-basket types & can hit from the 3-point range. Pingris on the other hand was mobile enough to defend stretch-fours

 

[greenarcher2]

Ouch. RK Ilagan from hero to zero. Painful loss for Converge. Panalo na naging bato pa.