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manu_bol2
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daniab said:
official or friendly, daniab, you just gotta accept the fact that RP is one of the strongest teams in asia...
it's not like if we play an official FIBA game against you, we'll just lose by 50 points!
official or friendly, daniab, you just gotta accept the fact that RP is one of the strongest teams in asia...
it's not like if we play an official FIBA game against you, we'll just lose by 50 points!
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igorotski2
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daniab said:
manu_bol said:
jus let our own teams do the talking on the court.
let's get it on!
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jramoyo2
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Lebanon didn't actually have a "sudden" rise in Asian basketball... they were always there... remember Elie, Merchantaf?
The only reason why Lebanese Basketball was deemed as a stranger to many Filipinos was because the Philippines never had a chance to play against them--this is because we never really played in an ABC Cup before.
RP always played in the Asian Games, a tournament which Lebanon did not bother participating in.
Among the rest of Asia, Arab basketball as an organization is probably the closest to Europe... so kudos to the Arabs for a spectacular basketball program...
The only reason why Lebanese Basketball was deemed as a stranger to many Filipinos was because the Philippines never had a chance to play against them--this is because we never really played in an ABC Cup before.
RP always played in the Asian Games, a tournament which Lebanon did not bother participating in.
Among the rest of Asia, Arab basketball as an organization is probably the closest to Europe... so kudos to the Arabs for a spectacular basketball program...
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psychopath2
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jramoyo said:Lebanon didn't actually have a "sudden" rise in Asian basketball... they were always there... remember Elie, Merchantaf?
The only reason why Lebanese Basketball was deemed as a stranger to many Filipinos was because the Philippines never had a chance to play against them--this is because we never really played in an ABC Cup before.
RP always played in the Asian Games, a tournament which Lebanon did not bother participating in.
Among the rest of Asia, Arab basketball as an organization is probably the closest to Europe... so kudos to the Arabs for a spectacular basketball program...
well, i see
now its clearer
lebanon does not participate in ASIAN GAMES while RP does
and RP does not participate in FIBA ASIA (just now) but lebanon does
thats why lebanon is ranked higher by fiba
european teams rely heavily on teamwork and ball rotation
lebanese team relies heavily on el-khatib and vogel
you know who's gonna take the shot on every possession
european teams are known for their outstanding shooting
qatar's african team's shooting is horrendous, they'll gonna beat you only on offensive rebounds and with their physicality
these two teams i mentioned do not use pick&rolls at all
pick&rolls are like bread and butter play in europe
i dont think their proximity to europe would make them play european basketball at all
more of european style are korea, taiwan and of course china
many of you here are so high about these arab teams
there's really nothing special about them aside from their naturalized players
i think korea, taiwan and RP has more of a future if only they could get a legit big man
if korea and taiwan's game can be more balanced, i mean not relying heavily on outside shots, they can be the team next to china
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psychopath2
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daniab said:
when did you last beat our ALL STAR team?
i have to ask, bec. as one filipino has said here, lebanon and RP rarely meets in international tournaments (only now)
and maybe the RP team that lebanon beat in your so-called "official game" are made up of collegiate stars
because as i see it in jones' up and manila invitationals, your team is the one having a hard time beating us, our ALL STAR TEAM
we rarely build an ALL STAR team for international tournaments (just now)
so check it out if the RP team that you're saying you beat in official games was our ALL STAR team
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daniab2
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manu_bol said:
No doubt man,Rp team is one of best now in the region.
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daniab2
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igorotski said:
Exactly
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daniab2
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psychopath said:
where i said lebanon beat Rp team in a official game ??
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saints132
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psychopath said:
ei bro, no disrespect again. just for your info, so that you'll know what to say if somebody opened the issue about RP's FIBA ranking.it is simple arithmetic, there's a formula for computing it. I don't blame you for not knowing it. since Filipinos have this myth that we're still one of the best in Asia. but playing in your own backyard doesnt prove your claim. its like the old greece saying they're more dominant than persia without even trying to cross their borders. btw, Jones Cup and exhibition/tune-up games are not included in the scoring for the FIBA ranking.
we got a 2 year suspension because RP in the international basketball sucks
and the officials are so stupid by letting it happen for more than a decade,
and don't question why Qatar and Japan is ahead in Rankings, that is ecause
they have placed 3rd in recent FIBA Asia Championship twice. being proud
that Philippines is next to China and not knowing the fact that our RP Team
being sent to FIBA Asia is being clobbered by 40 to 50 pts.
FIBA recalculates its rankings for national teams each time a FIBA World
Championship, Olympic Games or a FIBA zone championship has concluded (like the FIBA Asia Championship).
Each FIBA or FIBA zone event is ranked and countries earn points for
finishing from first through 18th places. The gold medalist receives 50
points, silver is worth 40 and a bronze medalist country gets 30 points. The
fourth place finisher is awarded 15 points and each subsequent drop in
finish placement earns a country one less point. Therefore, the fifth place
finisher is given 14 points, sixth place gets 13 points, etc., through the
one point given to the 18th place. (btw, there are other points to be
accumulated, one of which is the olympics, no need to explain further)
btw, Malaysia being up to us in the latest FIBA rankings, is also legit,
since we are suspended and they won the SEABA cup, and SEABA is the only
source of points for the RP NT as far as FIBA rankings are concerned for the
last decade and a half. but, in the next FIBA ranking, I expect RP NT will
get a higher ranking. btw, it will take years before RP gets a respective
ranking, they really have to work for it.
ei, btw, I'm a Filipino but I respect those teams who deserve respect, and
we don't need to brag if RP NT will really do good in international
competitions.
we need not fear them because the current RP NT is capable of winning against any Asian team (although capable of losing too), but we need to
respect those guys, until RP has proven something really significant rather
than pocket tournaments like Manila Invitational and the Jones Cup.
and you're right, let the RP NT do the talking.
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psychopath2
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saints13 said:ei bro, no disrespect again. just for your info, so that you'll know what to say if somebody opened the issue about RP's FIBA ranking.it is simple arithmetic, there's a formula for computing it. I don't blame you for not knowing it. since Filipinos have this myth that we're still one of the best in Asia. but playing in your own backyard doesnt prove your claim. its like the old greece saying they're more dominant than persia without even trying to cross their borders. btw, Jones Cup and exhibition/tune-up games are not included in the scoring for the FIBA ranking.
we got a 2 year suspension because RP in the international basketball sucks
and the officials are so stupid by letting it happen for more than a decade,
and don't question why Qatar and Japan is ahead in Rankings, that is ecause
they have placed 3rd in recent FIBA Asia Championship twice. being proud
that Philippines is next to China and not knowing the fact that our RP Team
being sent to FIBA Asia is being clobbered by 40 to 50 pts.
FIBA recalculates its rankings for national teams each time a FIBA World
Championship, Olympic Games or a FIBA zone championship has concluded (like the FIBA Asia Championship).
Each FIBA or FIBA zone event is ranked and countries earn points for
finishing from first through 18th places. The gold medalist receives 50
points, silver is worth 40 and a bronze medalist country gets 30 points. The
fourth place finisher is awarded 15 points and each subsequent drop in
finish placement earns a country one less point. Therefore, the fifth place
finisher is given 14 points, sixth place gets 13 points, etc., through the
one point given to the 18th place. (btw, there are other points to be
accumulated, one of which is the olympics, no need to explain further)
btw, Malaysia being up to us in the latest FIBA rankings, is also legit,
since we are suspended and they won the SEABA cup, and SEABA is the only
source of points for the RP NT as far as FIBA rankings are concerned for the
last decade and a half. but, in the next FIBA ranking, I expect RP NT will
get a higher ranking. btw, it will take years before RP gets a respective
ranking, they really have to work for it.
ei, btw, I'm a Filipino but I respect those teams who deserve respect, and
we don't need to brag if RP NT will really do good in international
competitions.
we need not fear them because the current RP NT is capable of winning against any Asian team (although capable of losing too), but we need to
respect those guys, until RP has proven something really significant rather
than pocket tournaments like Manila Invitational and the Jones Cup.
and you're right, let the RP NT do the talking.
saints13, you seem to have a lot of knowledge about RP bball internationally
and i seem to know less (and thats true, i admire you for that)
but you dont have to bring into play that historical knowledge of yours to just refute my point
yeah i asked you in my last post "is the ranking legit?"
you seemed to looked at it, the word legit, too literally
hell, of course they earned it, the rankings
teams earned it as you say, the legal way
but when i say legit, is it really 99x true that japan, malaysia etc. should be ahead of us?
are they really 99x better than us?
i know its legal,
on how these teams are being ranked, but does the ranking really shows the true standing of the teams?
just for example, if michael jordan is injured for half of the nba season and just averaged 18ppg due to his injury and loss the mvp race to karl malone but the bulls recovered in the playoffs and won the championship with a healthy jordan in the playoffs
who do you think is the real MVP? yeah malone did get the MVP award the legal way, but jordan is the deserving right? the legit
lastly about that fiba suspension,
this is the time i want you to share your historical knowledge
when was our RP team beaten by 50pts in fiba asia? was that before our suspension? its crazy bec. the only team that can beat us by that large a margin is china, and i dont think fiba should be surprised with that
maybe that RP team you're saying that was beaten by 50pts are college stars? i wanna know wat kind of RP team is that and when
thnx
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reamily2
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Lets get it on Rp vs Lebanon in finals who will qualify who will win who gonna be the x-factor for lebanon we know lebanon a good team a go to guy and a good big man and a good guards a great defensive team a physical team while rp afast team and now a mixture of korean pinoy basketball where we took alot of 3's or i say phoenix suns type with no star players just pure team play anyone can explode great match
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pachador2
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i believe middle east is a rising power in basketball because of a combination of tall populations, increased popularity of basketball and money. Africa actually has a bigger potential but because most of africa is very poor, the middle-east will probably progress faster in basketball for the near-future.
the biggest obstacles to philippine basketball is the lack of a grassroots program unlike south korea and china which is only being remedied now, and a population of short people whcih has been overcome to a large extent by a fanatical following of basketball among filipinos, and the continuing supply of good filipino-Am players, but if basketball continues to grow in popularity in the middle east then we can expect stronger middle-east teams specially Iran which has a big an tall population. If i am correct, Lebanon has 'politics' interfering with the growth of lebanese basketball(daniab and karim can explain more about this)
the biggest obstacles to philippine basketball is the lack of a grassroots program unlike south korea and china which is only being remedied now, and a population of short people whcih has been overcome to a large extent by a fanatical following of basketball among filipinos, and the continuing supply of good filipino-Am players, but if basketball continues to grow in popularity in the middle east then we can expect stronger middle-east teams specially Iran which has a big an tall population. If i am correct, Lebanon has 'politics' interfering with the growth of lebanese basketball(daniab and karim can explain more about this)
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andoks2
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A good ranking is good, but it does not always spell victory. The Philippines has just proven that during the SEABA, Jones Cup, and Manila Invitationals.
I don't care what China or Lebanon says about the Philippine team, but this team has a good fighting chance against any team in Asia today, including China, Lebanon, Qatar, and South Korea.
No one is guaranteed to win the Fiba-Asia title, not the Philippines, not China, not anyone. The only guarantee is that China, win or loss, is a cinch to make it to next year's basketball olympics by virtue of its hosting rights.
But this is by far the best national basketball team we have formed for the ABC since the 1985 RP champion. This is the team I want to watch on TV and cheer with gusto because it is truly the best we have.
And if we lose, I believe it will be a close one, not necessarily to a better team, but to a team with better breaks and luck. And I can accept that kind of loss, if at all.
I don't care what China or Lebanon says about the Philippine team, but this team has a good fighting chance against any team in Asia today, including China, Lebanon, Qatar, and South Korea.
No one is guaranteed to win the Fiba-Asia title, not the Philippines, not China, not anyone. The only guarantee is that China, win or loss, is a cinch to make it to next year's basketball olympics by virtue of its hosting rights.
But this is by far the best national basketball team we have formed for the ABC since the 1985 RP champion. This is the team I want to watch on TV and cheer with gusto because it is truly the best we have.
And if we lose, I believe it will be a close one, not necessarily to a better team, but to a team with better breaks and luck. And I can accept that kind of loss, if at all.
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saints132
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there are other Asian teams that is closer to China not RP
there are other Asian teams that is closer to China not RP
ah sorry bro, I thought you don't believe in the FIBA rankings. I thought you doubt its legitimacy.
btw, we really won't know if the PBA players are better than the other Asian players unless they play international basketball, and that's what they are doing right now. PBA players don't deserve they are one of the best in Asia unless they prove it the legit way, which is to compete and win and not by assumption alone.
btw, to be realistic, let me share this facts with you.
know your facts too, try looking for these pages, RP in international basketball.you'll know who are the other asian players too, the stats are there, the win-loss cards are still fresh there.
don't argue with me on this one, this is not my assumption, these are facts.
source:www.asia-basket.com
Asian U20 2004
1st Round Group C
1.China. 3-3
2.Jordan 2-1
3.Malaysia 1-2
4.Philippines 0-3
16th ASIAN CHAMPIONSHIPS 1991
Aug.22 - Sep.1, 1991 at Kobe, Japan
1. China
2. Korea
3. Japan
4. C. Taipei
5. DPR Korea
6. Iran
7. Philippines
8. Jordan
9. Saudi Arabia
10. Singapore
11. Hong Kong
12. Kuwait
13. India
14. Indonesia
15. Bahrain
16. Qatar
17. Malaysia
18. Sri Lanka
17th ASIAN CHAMPIONSHIPS 1993
Nov.12-21, 1993 at Jakarta, Indonesia
1. China
2. DPR Korea
3. Korea
4. Iran
5. C. Taipei
6. Saudi Arabia
7. Japan
8. UAE
9. Kuwait
10. Jordan
11. Philippines
12. Indonesia
13. Hong Kong
14. Malaysia
15. Thailand
16. Singapore
17. Pakistan
18. Bangladesh
18th ASIAN CHAMPIONSHIPS 1995
June 17-26, 1995 at Seoul, Korea
1. China
2. Korea
3. Japan
4. C. Taipei
5. Kazakhstan
6. Saudi Arabia
7. Uzbekistan
8. Kyrgyzstan
9. UAE
10. Iran
11. Kuwait
12. Philippines
13. India
14. Malaysia
15. Hong Kong
16. Thailand
17. Jordan
18. Indonesia
19. Sri Lanka
19th ASIAN CHAMPIONSHIPS 1997
Riyadh, KSA: Sep.11 - Sep.19
1. Korea
2. Japan
3. China
4. Saudi Arabia
5. UAE
6. C. Taipei
7. Jordan
8. Iran
9. Philippines
10. Bahrain
11. India
12. Indonesia
13. Kazakhstan
14. Hong Kong
15. Bangladesh
ASIAN CHAMPIONSHIPS 1999
Fukuoka, Japan August 24 - September 5
1. China
2. South Korea
3. Saudi Arabia
4. Taiwan
5. Japan
6. Kuwait
7. Lebanon
8. Syria
9. Uzbekistan
10.United Arab Emirates
11.Philippines
12.Bahrain
13.Hong Kong
14.Thailand
15.Malaysia
21st ASIAN CHAMPIONSHIPS 2001
July 20-28, 2001, International Gymnastic Center, Shanghai, China
1. China
2. Lebanon
3. S.Korea
4. Syria
5. Qatar
6. Japan
7. Taiwan
8. India
9. Uzbekistan
10. UAE
11. Hong Kong
12. Kuwait
13. Thailand
14. Singapore
22nd ASIAN CHAMPIONSHIPS 2003
September 23 - October 1, 2003
1. China
2. Korea
3. Qatar
4. Lebanon
5. Iran
6. Japan
7. Kazakhstan
8. India
9. Syria
10. Jordan
11. Taiwan
12. Kuwait
13. Hong Kong
14. Uzbekistan
15. Philippines
16. Malaysia
23rd ASIAN CHAMPIONSHIPS 2005
September 8-16, 2005 at Doha, Qatar
1. China
2. Lebanon
3. Qatar
4. Korea
5. Japan
6. Iran
7. Jordan
8. S.Arabia
9. Taiwan
10. Kazakhstan
11. Uzbekistan
12. India
13. Kuwait
14. Indonesia
15. Hong Kong
16. Malaysia
there are other Asian teams that is closer to China not RP
psychopath said:
ah sorry bro, I thought you don't believe in the FIBA rankings. I thought you doubt its legitimacy.
btw, we really won't know if the PBA players are better than the other Asian players unless they play international basketball, and that's what they are doing right now. PBA players don't deserve they are one of the best in Asia unless they prove it the legit way, which is to compete and win and not by assumption alone.
btw, to be realistic, let me share this facts with you.
know your facts too, try looking for these pages, RP in international basketball.you'll know who are the other asian players too, the stats are there, the win-loss cards are still fresh there.
don't argue with me on this one, this is not my assumption, these are facts.
source:www.asia-basket.com
Asian U20 2004
1st Round Group C
1.China. 3-3
2.Jordan 2-1
3.Malaysia 1-2
4.Philippines 0-3
16th ASIAN CHAMPIONSHIPS 1991
Aug.22 - Sep.1, 1991 at Kobe, Japan
1. China
2. Korea
3. Japan
4. C. Taipei
5. DPR Korea
6. Iran
7. Philippines
8. Jordan
9. Saudi Arabia
10. Singapore
11. Hong Kong
12. Kuwait
13. India
14. Indonesia
15. Bahrain
16. Qatar
17. Malaysia
18. Sri Lanka
17th ASIAN CHAMPIONSHIPS 1993
Nov.12-21, 1993 at Jakarta, Indonesia
1. China
2. DPR Korea
3. Korea
4. Iran
5. C. Taipei
6. Saudi Arabia
7. Japan
8. UAE
9. Kuwait
10. Jordan
11. Philippines
12. Indonesia
13. Hong Kong
14. Malaysia
15. Thailand
16. Singapore
17. Pakistan
18. Bangladesh
18th ASIAN CHAMPIONSHIPS 1995
June 17-26, 1995 at Seoul, Korea
1. China
2. Korea
3. Japan
4. C. Taipei
5. Kazakhstan
6. Saudi Arabia
7. Uzbekistan
8. Kyrgyzstan
9. UAE
10. Iran
11. Kuwait
12. Philippines
13. India
14. Malaysia
15. Hong Kong
16. Thailand
17. Jordan
18. Indonesia
19. Sri Lanka
19th ASIAN CHAMPIONSHIPS 1997
Riyadh, KSA: Sep.11 - Sep.19
1. Korea
2. Japan
3. China
4. Saudi Arabia
5. UAE
6. C. Taipei
7. Jordan
8. Iran
9. Philippines
10. Bahrain
11. India
12. Indonesia
13. Kazakhstan
14. Hong Kong
15. Bangladesh
ASIAN CHAMPIONSHIPS 1999
Fukuoka, Japan August 24 - September 5
1. China
2. South Korea
3. Saudi Arabia
4. Taiwan
5. Japan
6. Kuwait
7. Lebanon
8. Syria
9. Uzbekistan
10.United Arab Emirates
11.Philippines
12.Bahrain
13.Hong Kong
14.Thailand
15.Malaysia
21st ASIAN CHAMPIONSHIPS 2001
July 20-28, 2001, International Gymnastic Center, Shanghai, China
1. China
2. Lebanon
3. S.Korea
4. Syria
5. Qatar
6. Japan
7. Taiwan
8. India
9. Uzbekistan
10. UAE
11. Hong Kong
12. Kuwait
13. Thailand
14. Singapore
22nd ASIAN CHAMPIONSHIPS 2003
September 23 - October 1, 2003
1. China
2. Korea
3. Qatar
4. Lebanon
5. Iran
6. Japan
7. Kazakhstan
8. India
9. Syria
10. Jordan
11. Taiwan
12. Kuwait
13. Hong Kong
14. Uzbekistan
15. Philippines
16. Malaysia
23rd ASIAN CHAMPIONSHIPS 2005
September 8-16, 2005 at Doha, Qatar
1. China
2. Lebanon
3. Qatar
4. Korea
5. Japan
6. Iran
7. Jordan
8. S.Arabia
9. Taiwan
10. Kazakhstan
11. Uzbekistan
12. India
13. Kuwait
14. Indonesia
15. Hong Kong
16. Malaysia
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saints132
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andoks said:
I really believe this is the strongest team the RP NT has come so far..hopefully, this will not be the last, and the RP NT will continue to get better and better.
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DiegoClang2
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saints13 said:
No one can argue with those stats, but can i just ask you...what sort of team did the Philippines send for those tournaments? are they our A team or B,C.D or Z team?
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donmar2
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DiegoClang said:
I would say its the B or C or D team from colleges or from amateur leagues... those players were brave boys playing against stronger men in the Asian Championships... eventhough they got wasted...
Don't blame the players... blame the Graham Lim and the BAP!
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daniab2
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pachador said:
Not exactly,but here in lebanon a lot of politics problems and now we are in war hope they'll finished soon,so the basketball program develop slowly bcz these things (war,instability,...) and this year our NT being their pratice late bcz the situation in Lebanon.
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saints132
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DiegoClang said:
try looking for the asia-basket with those RP teams in the past, look at their composition and it will answer your question bro.
the fact that a team bannered the Philippine team in a FIBA Championships event, it is a national team. ok?the hell who cares what letter of the team the RP is sending.there is no such thing as team B, C or even Z if there is no team A.and the Philippines during those times don't have a continuous basketball program wherein you'll call the strongest team as team A and the next one is team B and the rest will follow, there's no such thing that existed in Philippine Basketball so far because all we have back then was sick basketball program and false myths telling Filipinos that "magagaling ang Pinoy, hindi lang natin pinapadala ang mga pinakamagagaling nating manlalaro kaya tayo natatalo" translation: Filipinos are good in basketball, we just don't send our best. e gagong katwiran yun, talo na nga may palusot pa, e kung gusto natin sabihin na magagaling ang Pinoy, e di ipadala ang mga pinakamagagaling, wag yun nagpapantasya lang tayo ng mga bagay na hindi naman totoo. that's my point, I'm not against our RP team, and I believe that the SBP and SMC-backed RP team we have right now is the best so far.
I'm just being realistic. there are links bro, try to research, the internet has a lot to offer about the RP NT.
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jundakki2
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daniab & khatib , just asking what channel in your home country they will televise FIBA Asia? tnx