24th FIBA-Asia Championship [Jul 28-Aug 5 Japan]

[WIZARD2]

In asian championship sam doughlas and ayman and enver was playing with jordan NT.
But in Waba champ ayman and enver didn't play .

No man they didnt i still remember for sure in King abdullah cup none of those players played in asian Cup only sam daghlas joined the team along side with al khas and nasser bassam the others were all young and was their first time
to play for Men team ,,they played for the youth team 20year ,,ayman had disk surgery also enver had a surgery in his shoulder..in waba games ayman played but both enver and daghlas didnt we got 3rd spot then

 

[spreekanick2]

who has the worst uniforms (jersyes) in ASIA..i admit Philipines right now has a bad uniform in SEABA..doesn't look good..

 

[VII2]

hhhmm its really interesting to see that there are a lot of guys here take south korea lightly..
i know reputation doesnt count but i still think japan is all the way down in your ranking even if they are the host country..

heres my 2 cents..

China B - although they are fielding a development team (if its true) i still think they are one of the strongest in this field...especially after hearing they beat a melbourne tigers team (aus)...

japan - is field a 36 yr old point guard. im sorry it but dont they have any up and coming that can take the helm?

Sth Korea - i respect this team due to what they have achieve....the only asian country to beat a full line up china...
although ill contradict myself coz that was ages ago and reputation counts for nothing now...
their strong points?? basic shooting skills....they can shoot the lights out of you if your not careful...(the image of hur jae still haunts me)

Lebanon - i gotta admit im scared of this team..why? coz of the uncertainty that their players are in...internal conflict can take away from their preparation for the tournament..but setting that aside i think lebanon is one if not the strongest team here..

Philippines - ive seen the players in their respective mother clubs. and i admit there are alot of impressive players in the pba compared to when i was still in the country..like 10 yrs ago...most notibly cagioa and siegle..(sorry for mis spell)...
and some of the bench players who at the moment i didnt see any sign of doing any damage come asian championship. maybe theyre being wrap in cotton wool for the real thing for fear of scouts? but overall i like the chances of the philippines...(not coz im a filipino but from what ive seen) a wing man that can shoot...a bench who i think is wrap in cotton wool that can come out and provide and also coach reyes has specifically arrange this team with outside shooting in mind. (looking out for china obviously) but thats just me...

anyway im not going to make any comment about syria, iran and other mid east country coz im completely ignorant of whats happening with them at the moment so ill leave it to the ones who knows what theyre talking about...

so please feel free to disagree or agree with me...and please no annoying comments like we are the champions or your d1ck is bigger than mine comment...lets make this civil...

 

[SkyWalker2]

this one is interesting:

for JORDAN:

their primary strenght lies on the game of Rasheim Wright. This player scores a lot, as an american import, he still has the NBA mentality of one-on-one play. now, their weakness, eliminate this guy, and you would see Jordan struggling on the offensive side. I saw jordan, and of their main problem, is that no one else except Wright and DAghlas can dribble-penetrate. If teams like RP, Korea, China, play one-on-one, it will be a problem for them.

for CHINA:

height is their main strength. they play more like a european team now, with more passing games and of course, more players in china now has the heft to keep up against bigmen of opposing team. but height will backfire on them. you see, if you have tall guards, you tend to dribble high, and dribbling high is prone to turnovers. ball-handling is china's main problem, since china focuses more on the program of its bigmen. chot reyes, already had his special game plan against china, so to my filipino compatriot, lets be optimistic. there is always a hope.

for JAPAN:

i dont see any strength, only that were playing ABC in japan. For me, play them physical, and they'll give up a lot of points inside. mic and asi will do the damage on the rebounds. so see a lot of post-up games against japan.

for kazakhstan:

strength lies on their european style of game. were yet to see their full-strength national team. weakness shown on speed.

for Lebanon:

everyone in this forum already knows lebanon's strength and weakness.

for South Korea:

they're fielding in a new team. shooting and ball-moverment is still their main strength. player movement without the ball should also be a concern, since a lot of korean shooters love using back-picks and down-screens to eliminate single defender. but still, their weakness is man-to-man defense, coz korean players arent that good on man-to-man plays. so, if you isolate a SK player, he's tendency is to pass the ball. so its pressumed, if we play SK, guard the passing lane, if we play man-to-man D.

to be continued....

 

[onono12]

this one is interesting:

for JORDAN:

their primary strenght lies on the game of Rasheim Wright. This player scores a lot, as an american import, he still has the NBA mentality of one-on-one play. now, their weakness, eliminate this guy, and you would see Jordan struggling on the offensive side. I saw jordan, and of their main problem, is that no one else except Wright and DAghlas can dribble-penetrate. If teams like RP, Korea, China, play one-on-one, it will be a problem for them.

for CHINA:

height is their main strength. they play more like a european team now, with more passing games and of course, more players in china now has the heft to keep up against bigmen of opposing team. but height will backfire on them. you see, if you have tall guards, you tend to dribble high, and dribbling high is prone to turnovers. ball-handling is china's main problem, since china focuses more on the program of its bigmen. chot reyes, already had his special game plan against china, so to my filipino compatriot, lets be optimistic. there is always a hope.

for JAPAN:

i dont see any strength, only that were playing ABC in japan. For me, play them physical, and they'll give up a lot of points inside. mic and asi will do the damage on the rebounds. so see a lot of post-up games against japan.

for kazakhstan:

strength lies on their european style of game. were yet to see their full-strength national team. weakness shown on speed.

for Lebanon:

everyone in this forum already knows lebanon's strength and weakness.

for South Korea:

they're fielding in a new team. shooting and ball-moverment is still their main strength. player movement without the ball should also be a concern, since a lot of korean shooters love using back-picks and down-screens to eliminate single defender. but still, their weakness is man-to-man defense, coz korean players arent that good on man-to-man plays. so, if you isolate a SK player, he's tendency is to pass the ball. so its pressumed, if we play SK, guard the passing lane, if we play man-to-man D.

to be continued....

This is the epitome and wisdom of the Master Jedi..Lord Skywalker aka Darth Vader peace bro im no longer a war monger...

 

[SkyWalker2]

This is the epitome and wisdom of the Master Jedi..Lord Skywalker aka Darth Vader peace bro im no longer a war monger...

no man we're cool. its just a discussion, so no intention of hurting someone.

P.S.

hey, i have a galaxy to conquer, you want to be my allie?

 

[vladski2]

Yes in any army generals keep the soldiers' morale high by giving them lots of delicious food. But perhaps if the mother clubs (which are the ones paying the players) would cooperate and give the orders to the NT players, that might just work.

Guess it's part of the deal that whosoever be included in the RP roster upon his consent shall follow the regimen especially the training courses or whatsoever while in the RP roster. This includes training aborad, even if it means being away from the family. Which i guess each and ever RP team members faithfully comply with. Having a food diet is unfussy compared to what they have already given up...


I guess there should be no problem when it comes to the implementation of such activity.

 

[vladski2]

Olympic elims tough job for RP 5

Olympic elims tough job for RP 5

Olympic elims tough job for RP 5

May 28th, 2007 — ricojr
RATCHABURI, Thailand – The FIBA-Asia qualifying tournament for the 2008 Beijing Olympics will be a wide-open race.

FIBA-Asia technical director Lee Kak Kuan, 57, a Malaysian retired military man who’s been all over the region supervising big international tournaments, made the prediction in an interview with The STAR here on Saturday.

“It’s gonna be exciting, it’s gonna be tough. It’s anybody’s race specially with China, most probably, not sending its best players since it’s already seeded in the Olympics,” said Lee.

The Malaysian cage official, a trusted lieutenant of FIBA-Asia secretary-general Datu Yeo Choo-Hoch, pointed to the Gulf and Arab countries like Qatar, Lebanon, Iran and Syria as those which have made dramatic improvements and are now among the top contenders in Asian championships.

“In the old days, after China, there’s only South Korea. But everybody has improved,” said Lee.

As for the Philippines, featuring the country’s millionaire pro stars, Lee said it may need to boost its stocks more if it is to achieve its supreme goal of qualifying for the Beijing Games.

“The Philippines is a good team. Given more training and preparation, they could give the other countries a good run for their money,” said Lee.

Lee sees no hindrance to the SMC-RP team’s lack of ceiling.

“You need height in basketball but height alone doesn’t guarantee victory. Height must come with good physique and good technique. If your team plays with good team spirit and the needed preparation, then they have a chance,” said Lee.

Believing the Philippines has a big pool of talents, Lee said the SEA Games in December could be a walk in the park for any RP team.

“You love basketball so much that in any backyard, in any open space, Filipinos play the game. With or without the pros, they can perform well in the SEA Games,” he said.

Lee welcomed the return of the Philippines in the FIBA roster, saying it made a big impact at least in the region.

He said he could make a better prediction for the FIBA-Asia championship after the draw for the groupings on June 6 in Tokushima. Sixteen teams will be divided into four groups for the elimination round.

“I don’t think China is bringing their best team because they may not want to get hurt. No need since they’re already seeded in the Olympics. Their absence will make the competition more interesting,” said Lee.

Nelson Beltran - The Philippine Star

 

[bobo812]

Lebanon Lebanon has good team chemistry. Period. They also have more "go-to" guys who can create on the team, although generally Fadi is their main scorer. Their problem is pressure, especially when down points. Fadi's temper dosn't help and from what I've heard, when the pressure tends to get higher, he sometimes cannot take it and leaves the game.

S.Korea Nice, young team. I guess their youth are getting better so the future looks bright for S. Korea. If Bang can keep healthy, and benchwarmer Kim can learn how to cool down and take his anger out on the court more, I see two good scorers for Asia. Their problem is also like Lebanon; when they're lossing they lose focus easily. They also need to learn to shoot when open, how many times we see these guys free inside the arc and just wait to pass...grrrrr

Qatar Good chemistry, also have some good shooters. Defense is decent, although outside of Asia they crumble. They win many games from playing at a faster pace than some of their opponents. Besides their naturalized team, Qatar will win when they have a good shooting day. When they have a bad shooting day, it's over. Most of their paint points are in the first half, but at the end they need to rely on their shooting. If bad shooting, no paint points - thus, they lose.

Iran One of the only teams I see the big men playing the running game with the guards. The forwards and center run the fast break. The only other team I see do this often is China and Kazakhstan. Good players who are never scared to take the ball to the hole. Their problem is their attitude. Anger, childnish, fighting hurts the team. The players argue with each other, and with the ref, which hurts them in many ways.

Jordan Still a growing team. Can play great defense, or stink at defense. I don't know too much about them, but their star player Ziad is getting old, so they need to look for a new leader.

Syria Good players. This team usually starts off fast and good in the beginning, but cannot uphold the lead towards the second half. I don't know why. I see them with only a couple of scorers, perhaps more people need to step up.

Kazakhstan Height is a key here. Young, hungry players who play very hard. Their coach seems to pressure them so this must help. They are still inexperienced in the national team way. Their go-to guy is a college kid, so chances are the team will have to grow and mature.

Japan Need a real center. Good players and like to play court pressure from the beginning, which shows how much energy they have. I like this team because they seem to be well mannered and do not argue much, I guess this is their culture. They can shoot, but usually struggle to finish. They kind of remind me of S. Korea because when they give the ball to someone open, he looks to pass and does not shoot. Shoot the ball!!!

 

[bobo812]

who has the worst uniforms (jersyes) in ASIA..i admit Philipines right now has a bad uniform in SEABA..doesn't look good..

My friend, surely they are not as bad as Uzbekistan's jersey

Have you seen India's? Or even Yemen's Jersey?

Be Happy

 

[Sakamoto2]

but we must also be weary of the current FIBA Champions Cup gold medalist and Doha Asian GAmes bronze medalist .... IRAN

also ... 2006 Asian Games semi-finalist plus Jordanian-foreign players.... JORDAN

current East Asian Games defending champion.... TAIWAN

Mid-Asia Champion, ... KAZAKHSTAN, I can't remember when was the last time we beat this team?

host and last WBC contestant ... JAPAN

with 3 BraSyrian added in the line-up ... SYRIA

The last time we beat kazakhstan was in the 1998 Asiad in Bangkok for the bronze medal. It was a see saw battle until in the last 5 minutes of the game, Lastimosa takes care of the offense by scoring all the points needed while the others namely Alvin Patrimonio, Andy Siegle, Dennis Espino and johnny Abbarientos takes care of the defense and the rebounding. We won by 5 points, 73 - 68.

 

[Sakamoto2]

Anyone from S.Korea, is Seo Jang Hoon will still play for your NT? I remember this player riding at the back of Yao Ming in the 2002 Busan Asiad and yet no foul was called. That's why they won the gold because of bad officiating which favors the host team. Thats why being the host country really matters.

 

[TechSupport2]

hehe....it started with leb. and qatar wanting to qualify.....than philippines lifted the suspension so that it would go.......than japan and south korea are getting their best players to try to qualify......and than theres iran and syria who r the black horses of the tournament as every1 calls them.....after all the problems in leb. i agree that our chances r pretty slim to qualify......but i still think all these teams are better than jordan.....i think jordan are maybe 7th or 8th in asia , no affense man , the asian games which is more like a friendly tournament for teams like leb.,china and south korea and jordan got 4th position which is probably the best they would get........i dont see a team who is 8th in asia winning the asian championship yalla the next step is a guy from malaysia writing that his team wants to qualify to the olympics .......no hard feelings man its just my opinion i hope it doesnt start a fight or anything now but u really shocked me with wat u said

what's wrong with malaysia hoping to qualify to the olympics? evryone wants to but not everyone can. its a dream. evryone is entitled to dream.

reality is wrong. dreams are for real. - Tupac

 

[Projectspeed2]

but we must also be weary of the current FIBA Champions Cup gold medalist and Doha Asian GAmes bronze medalist .... IRAN

also ... 2006 Asian Games semi-finalist plus Jordanian-foreign players.... JORDAN

current East Asian Games defending champion.... TAIWAN

Mid-Asia Champion, ... KAZAKHSTAN, I can't remember when was the last time we beat this team?

host and last WBC contestant ... JAPAN

with 3 BraSyrian added in the line-up ... SYRIA

hmmmnnn RP NT not yet beat Kazakhstan for the last 9 years?
thats what I'm trying to point out that we shouldn't also ovelook Kazakhstan

 

[rensquared2]

for me, the final Asian slot for the Olympics basketball competition will be up for grabs by the following countries...

Japan, S. Korea, Taiwan, Philippines, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Qatar, Kazakstan, Iran

luck and the proper preparation will determine their placings

any team can beat each other out

It will be anybody's ballgame. Good luck to all National Teams especially to my home country the Philippines.

 

[taipan2]

I do not agree with u spanish man for many reasons:
1-Of course Chine is the best team in asia but i don't think their B team will be like Team A and u know that Chine A without Yao And Lebanon without Fadi el khatib in Doha 2006 game chine defeat Lebanon by 2 pts,and in last asian championship in Quatar 2005,chine defeat lebanon by difficulty.
2-Second,before to give the rankings of asia team hope lebanon participate .Lebanon now in a war and anything clear about our NT.
3-Also we should wait Waba cup,Seaba cup,Gulf cup,Middle asia cup...to give our first opinion about the asia 2007 rankings.
4-If u want to talk about the rankings Lebanon and quatar is much better than jordan and syria even jordan naturalized Rasheim and syria joined 3 Syrian brazilian players.But i'm not sure about that like i said we should wait waba champ to know.
And japan,in Doha 2006 they didn't qualified to semi final,they lost many games.
Finally,10x for ur Opinion and i respect ur choice.

Denieb,

Just wonder why you always use the 2006 Dohao game, China defeat Leb by 2 points as an example. Did you not watching the game??? Did you not knowing at that time China had already qualified for the Quarter-Final and no need to send the full team to play the Lebs??? Did you not knowing that ZhiZhi, Zhu and Lui, the usual starters did not start the game and only played for ~ 20 minutes?? Under those circumstances, If your were the coach and the players, you would have relaxed, Don't you??? Well if you insisted the China team is inferior because they can only defeat the Lebs by 2 points. That is your opinion as you are the Lebs.

BTW, I notice that you call China as Chine. So I will call you Denieb in-stead.

 

[vladski2]

Denieb,

Just wonder why you always use the 2006 Dohao game, China defeat Leb by 2 points as an example. Did you not watching the game??? Did you not knowing at that time China had already qualified for the Quarter-Final and no need to send the full team to play the Lebs??? Did you not knowing that ZhiZhi, Zhu and Lui, the usual starters did not start the game and only played for ~ 20 minutes?? Under those circumstances, If your were the coach and the players, you would have relaxed, Don't you??? Well if you insisted the China team is inferior because they can only defeat the Lebs by 2 points. That is your opinion as you are the Lebs.

BTW, I notice that you call China as Chine. So I will call you Denieb in-stead.

hey taipan,

Among the Asian contenders in Japan, who do you think would be the strongest team for China B???

 

[daniab2]

Denieb,

Just wonder why you always use the 2006 Dohao game, China defeat Leb by 2 points as an example. Did you not watching the game??? Did you not knowing at that time China had already qualified for the Quarter-Final and no need to send the full team to play the Lebs??? Did you not knowing that ZhiZhi, Zhu and Lui, the usual starters did not start the game and only played for ~ 20 minutes?? Under those circumstances, If your were the coach and the players, you would have relaxed, Don't you??? Well if you insisted the China team is inferior because they can only defeat the Lebs by 2 points. That is your opinion as you are the Lebs.

BTW, I notice that you call China as Chine. So I will call you Denieb in-stead.

Don't be sad taipan next time i will say china
Anyway taipan,i watched this game and i know very well that many of china players didn't play but also in lebanese NT many of best players didn't play like Brian Bchara,Fadi el khatib,Ali Fakherdine,Paul Khoury.
Second in final game at asian champ 2005,china with all their famous players,they won lebanon hardly and that what yao ming said after the game.
Chine steal the stronger team in asia 100 % but not forever.
Lebanon,always played the asian champ when we were in a difficult days and we done a perfect results like WCC 2006, asian champ 2005.

 

[daniab2]

hey taipan,

Among the Asian contenders in Japan, who do you think would be the strongest team for China B???

Like the last 6 years vladski, Lebanon !!

 

[taipan2]

hey taipan,

Among the Asian contenders in Japan, who do you think would be the strongest team for China B???

Vladski,

To be honest, I don't know!
I guess most of the other nations have their strength and weakness.
Some nations play better with others. Japan really afraid of Mid. Eastern style of play. And Korea tends to play better with 120% effort when facing China. While China likes to play Japan and wants to beat the Sh!t out of them everytime(Sorry Japs).
BTW, China team B is not finalized yet! There are still many factors pending on the selection of team A players. Who will go to team B????? Who knows!

And of course, you want me to say Fillipinos is the close second or the strongest. While some may argue as Lebs, Iran.... and so on. I firmly beleive this year is very OPEN! It is definitly everybodies games! And I am looking forward to it!