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24th FIBA-Asia Championship [Jul 28-Aug 5 Japan]

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Asian National Teams: Strengths & Weakness

Asian National Teams: Strengths & Weakness

LEBANON, S.Korea,Qatar,IRAN,JORDAN,SYRIA,TAIWAN,KAZAKHSTAN,JA PAN

:D

no post with regards to RP NT team please:D
 
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Servinio said:
YOU MUST be referring to the 1954 World Championship in Brazil where the Philippines finished in Third Place behind legends Carlos Loyzaga and Lauro Mumar.

The Philippines best finish in the Olympics was in the 1936 Berlin Olympics were the team nicknamed "The Islanders" and bannered by Sen. Ambrosio Padilla, Jacinto Ciria Cruz and Charles Borck finished in Fifth Place. This despite the very complicated format that saw the Filipinos lose only once in the entire tournament and it was against eventual Gold Medalist the United States.

To this date, no Asian team has surpassed these achievements.

can there jus be a new thread?like "Achievements in the Past"? this thing really is endless even tho everyone already knows this
 
the top 4 teams are :
1-Palestine:Coming out of the war , they wanna prove themselves worthy and win this year,s asia championship...........
2-Afghanistan:Main jobs(mechanics)so it would be an easy transition for them to become basketball players and we see how common both these jobs are
3-Iraq:they are used to playing under war so look for them to be aggressive this tournament
4-Hongkong:they lost by 66pts to Leb and by 76pts to Jordan in the last asian championship but they were a young team who showed alot of promise in that tournament so i expect them to be better and probably be the black horse of this tournament ;)
 
karim said:
the top 4 teams are :
1-Palestine:Coming out of the war , they wanna prove themselves worthy and win this year,s asia championship...........
2-Afghanistan:Main jobs(mechanics)so it would be an easy transition for them to become basketball players and we see how common both these jobs are
3-Iraq:they are used to playing under war so look for them to be aggressive this tournament
4-Hongkong:they lost by 66pts to Leb and by 76pts to Jordan in the last asian championship but they were a young team who showed alot of promise in that tournament so i expect them to be better and probably be the black horse of this tournament ;)

Timor Leste, Brunei, Cambodia and Maldives will beat those teams:D

kidding aside...

top 4 teams as of date for me...if given the scenario that all the good active players/coaches etc... will be included...:D

1. China
2. Lebanon
3. South Korea
4. Qatar

but RP, Iran, Japan, Syria, Taiwan, Jordan and Kazakstan will surely be darkhorse and can replace the no. 2 to 4 :D
 
Dinamita said:
Im from the Bay...
Oakland...
Yeah, I still play ball... But I cant jump anymore... hahahaha... Damn I miss my Highschool days.... :D

FUTURE OF PHILIPPINES?..
JOE DEVANCE 6'7....
BOBBY PARKS SON 6'3 and still growing...
JAPETH AGUILAR 6'9..
JAY WASHINGTON 6'7...
KELLY WILLIAMS 6'7...
RONNIE AGUILAR? 7'0..
Samigue Eman 6'10..
Lawrence Bonus 6'7?
Damn a Very tall lineup..

Dude, your piece is quite interesting with those fil-foreigners lineup. Except of course the only filipino samigue eman, i wonder why did u include eman in this thread because based on the reports and according to many basketball scouts as well, 6-10 eman has no skills and quickness for basketball living. You could see him the way he's been playing in the pbl. No offense meant.
 
Gun-sight, darling projectspeed, we all know that the level in Asia is very equal (and to the fall) among 8 or 9 teams that go behind China (equipment(team) that not this one among the best ten of the world). Sincerely I think that the one that was the better second Asian team, Lebanon, this one in an evil moment, which can be taken advantage by selections to the rise as Syria, Jordan and Iran. South Korea and Japan I do not believe either that they have real possibilities of obtaining seat for pekin, especially because they lacking defense and height. My favorites for the Asian sound, for this order:
1. China (with the team b) 2. Irán. 3. Japan (for being the organizing nation of the event) 4. Lebanon 5. Jordan 6. South Korea 7. Syria 8. Philippines
 
Hiya ! ! guys, I'm new to this forum, as a start we'll read this article from a Philippine daily paper. . .


" BraSyrians foil RP 5’s bid
SPORTING CHANCE By Joaquin M. Henson

Tuesday, May 22, 2007
Page: 1

It took a pair of so-called BraSyrians to thwart the San Miguel Beer-Philippine team’s bid for a finals berth at the FIBA-Asia Champions Cup in Tehran last Saturday.

Al Jalaa Aleppo of Syria recruited not two but three BraSyrians to back up imports Bernard Jons and Julius Nwosu in a heavily reinforced roster.

Syria crushed the Philippines twice in the nine-day joust. The first meeting came in the elimination round with Syria taking a 114-80 decision. In the semifinals, Syria blasted the Philippines again, 109-77. A win by the Philippines in the rematch would’ve sent coach Chot Reyes’ charges into the finals.

Syria’s coach was American John Sneed who once called the shots for the California State at Fullerton varsity. Al Jalaa wound up second after losing to host Saba Battery in the championship game last Sunday. The Philippines finished fourth, its best finish in the tournament since winning the crown in 1996.

The BraSyrian guns-for-hire were 6-3 Eduardo Caviglia (renamed Farhat), 6-5 Andre Luiz Chueri da Silva “Dede” Barbosa and 6-9 Marcelo de Andrade Correa. They claim Syrian heritage and will likely play for the national squad at the FIBA-Asia Championships in Tokushima this July.

Correa, 30, saw action for San Diego State, an NCAA Division I school, in 1997-2001. His father Roberto is supposed to be Syrian and was a Brazilian national cager. His mother Lucia Helena is Brazilian.

Caviglia, 30, played for West Texas A&M and his father purportedly migrated from Syria to Brazil over 30 years ago. Caviglia has dropped his surname and is now known as Farhat which definitely sounds more Syrian.

“Dede,” 27, might even be related to the Phoenix Suns’ Leandrinho (The Brazilian Blur) Barbosa, who was named the NBA’s Sixth Man awardee this season. To allay suspicions, “Dede” now uses Chueri as a last name. Who knows? Maybe the Phoenix star might show up in a Syrian uniform in Tokushima as another BraSyrian.

Caviglia and Barbosa inflicted a lot of damage on the Philippines in the second encounter. They combined for 38 points and were two of four Syrian scorers in double figures. Correa was not a factor.

Under FIBA rules, a national team may suit up only one naturalized player. But there is no restriction on the number of dual citizens in a roster. The presumption is dual citizens are not naturalized but legitimate nationals. That’s why the Philippines is able to enlist Danny Seigle, Asi Taulava, Mick Pennisi and Tony de la Cruz for the national squad. That’s the same rule Syria has invoked in tapping the three BraSyrians.

The question is – are the three BraSyrians legitimate? Do they really trace their roots to Syria? What is the probability of finding three professional Brazilian basketball players, unrelated to each other, with Syrian lineage?

More and more, there are reports coming out that poor African athletes are being sold wholesale to West Asian or Middle East countries for “conversion” not as naturalized citizens but as “origin” players or those eligible for dual citizenship because of heritage.

Like other countries, the Philippines is entitled to recruit one naturalized player – a foreigner who goes through the immigration process of acquiring Filipino citizenship. As an example, Alex Compton would be eligible to play for the Philippines if he took out Filipino citizenship. It’s the same case with La Salle cager Marko Batricevic of Serbia. There is no residence rule for naturalization in FIBA, meaning a foreigner may be brought in and given instant citizenship to become eligible as a national player. Theoretically, a James Penny or a Marquin Chandler could play for the Philippines if he becomes a naturalized citizen. The limitation is only one naturalized player is allowed per national team.

Hakeem Olajuwon of Nigeria was given instant citizenship to play for the US as a naturalized citizen in the 1996 Olympics, exempted from the then-FIBA rule requiring a three-year prior notice. Olajuwon wasn’t the only foreigner naturalized to play for the US. Others included Panama’s Rolando Blackman and Jamaica’s Pat Ewing. FIBA previously allowed two naturalized players per country which is how Jeff Moore and Dennis Still played for the Philippines in the 1985 Asian Basketball Confederation championships.

In the Doha Asian Games last year, Japan brought in a naturalized player Eric McArthur of the University of California at Santa Barbara. Colorado State’s Joe Vogel, once drafted by the Seattle SuperSonics, has been a mainstay on Lebanon’s national team as a naturalized player for years. To add more sock to its lineup, Lebanon took in Tongan Paul Afeaki (renamed Khouri) and Brian Beshara (renamed Feghali) as “origin” players. Afeaki played for the University of Utah and Beshara, Louisiana State University in the US NCAA.

Recruiting fakes or mercenaries to beef up national teams is so rampant that it makes you wonder if there is still meaning to patriotism and the integrity of the game. "



Upon reading that article, I came withis comment :

i think its not right for Mr. Henson to assume that the Syrians were cheating if we look closely on the demographic composition of Brazilian population. As a proof, I extracted this article from Wikipedia :

" The population of Brazil identifying with either full or partial Arabic descent is estimated at between 15 to 17 million people, most of them tracing their roots back to Lebanese and Syrian immigrants who arrived in Brazil in the early 1900s. The Lebanese population in Brazil, over 10 million descendants and recent immigrants is larger than the population in Lebanon. Today, only a minority of these Arab Brazilians still know and use their original Arabic language, most of them having shifted to Portuguese.

Immigration of Arabs to Brazil started in the late 1800s, most of them coming from Lebanon, later from Syria and Jordan, Palestine and Morocco. Arab immigration to Brazil grew in the 1900s, and was concentrated in the state of São Paulo, but also extended to Minas Gerais, Rio de Janeiro and other parts of Brazil.

Initially, most Arab immigrants in Brazil were Christians.However, after the 1970s, many Muslim Lebanese immigrated, and the current Muslim population of Brazil, predominantly of Lebanese origin, is estimated at 1.5 million.[1] There are also Brazilian Jews who are or whose ancestors were immigrants from Lebanon, Syria and North Africa; among them is Harry Abdul, the father of American singer/dancer Paula Abdul."


Since a significant portion of Brazilians are of Syrian descent, it would be automatically be the same with its professonal basketball players.

Mr. Henson should have examine first the citizenship issues of some RP players such as Taulava and Penissi who has no pint of Filipino blood(who were just granted Philippine passports due to humanitarian reasons and as for having Filipino wives) before throwing dirts to the Syrians. . .

As for the Philippine team, they're all crap. . . you're only good if FIBA rules change by allowing only players with height 6'7" and below to play. . . It's hard to swallow but let's face it, Filipinos were vertically and horizontally inferior. That's the reality, mate.

Bred, Born and Raised a Man U
 
FilWelsh said:
Hiya ! ! guys, I'm new to this forum, as a start we'll read this article from a Philippine daily paper. . .


" BraSyrians foil RP 5’s bid
SPORTING CHANCE By Joaquin M. Henson

Tuesday, May 22, 2007
Page: 1

It took a pair of so-called BraSyrians to thwart the San Miguel Beer-Philippine team’s bid for a finals berth at the FIBA-Asia Champions Cup in Tehran last Saturday.

Al Jalaa Aleppo of Syria recruited not two but three BraSyrians to back up imports Bernard Jons and Julius Nwosu in a heavily reinforced roster.

Syria crushed the Philippines twice in the nine-day joust. The first meeting came in the elimination round with Syria taking a 114-80 decision. In the semifinals, Syria blasted the Philippines again, 109-77. A win by the Philippines in the rematch would’ve sent coach Chot Reyes’ charges into the finals.

Syria’s coach was American John Sneed who once called the shots for the California State at Fullerton varsity. Al Jalaa wound up second after losing to host Saba Battery in the championship game last Sunday. The Philippines finished fourth, its best finish in the tournament since winning the crown in 1996.

The BraSyrian guns-for-hire were 6-3 Eduardo Caviglia (renamed Farhat), 6-5 Andre Luiz Chueri da Silva “Dede” Barbosa and 6-9 Marcelo de Andrade Correa. They claim Syrian heritage and will likely play for the national squad at the FIBA-Asia Championships in Tokushima this July.

Correa, 30, saw action for San Diego State, an NCAA Division I school, in 1997-2001. His father Roberto is supposed to be Syrian and was a Brazilian national cager. His mother Lucia Helena is Brazilian.

Caviglia, 30, played for West Texas A&M and his father purportedly migrated from Syria to Brazil over 30 years ago. Caviglia has dropped his surname and is now known as Farhat which definitely sounds more Syrian.

“Dede,” 27, might even be related to the Phoenix Suns’ Leandrinho (The Brazilian Blur) Barbosa, who was named the NBA’s Sixth Man awardee this season. To allay suspicions, “Dede” now uses Chueri as a last name. Who knows? Maybe the Phoenix star might show up in a Syrian uniform in Tokushima as another BraSyrian.

Caviglia and Barbosa inflicted a lot of damage on the Philippines in the second encounter. They combined for 38 points and were two of four Syrian scorers in double figures. Correa was not a factor.

Under FIBA rules, a national team may suit up only one naturalized player. But there is no restriction on the number of dual citizens in a roster. The presumption is dual citizens are not naturalized but legitimate nationals. That’s why the Philippines is able to enlist Danny Seigle, Asi Taulava, Mick Pennisi and Tony de la Cruz for the national squad. That’s the same rule Syria has invoked in tapping the three BraSyrians.

The question is – are the three BraSyrians legitimate? Do they really trace their roots to Syria? What is the probability of finding three professional Brazilian basketball players, unrelated to each other, with Syrian lineage?

More and more, there are reports coming out that poor African athletes are being sold wholesale to West Asian or Middle East countries for “conversion” not as naturalized citizens but as “origin” players or those eligible for dual citizenship because of heritage.

Like other countries, the Philippines is entitled to recruit one naturalized player – a foreigner who goes through the immigration process of acquiring Filipino citizenship. As an example, Alex Compton would be eligible to play for the Philippines if he took out Filipino citizenship. It’s the same case with La Salle cager Marko Batricevic of Serbia. There is no residence rule for naturalization in FIBA, meaning a foreigner may be brought in and given instant citizenship to become eligible as a national player. Theoretically, a James Penny or a Marquin Chandler could play for the Philippines if he becomes a naturalized citizen. The limitation is only one naturalized player is allowed per national team.

Hakeem Olajuwon of Nigeria was given instant citizenship to play for the US as a naturalized citizen in the 1996 Olympics, exempted from the then-FIBA rule requiring a three-year prior notice. Olajuwon wasn’t the only foreigner naturalized to play for the US. Others included Panama’s Rolando Blackman and Jamaica’s Pat Ewing. FIBA previously allowed two naturalized players per country which is how Jeff Moore and Dennis Still played for the Philippines in the 1985 Asian Basketball Confederation championships.

In the Doha Asian Games last year, Japan brought in a naturalized player Eric McArthur of the University of California at Santa Barbara. Colorado State’s Joe Vogel, once drafted by the Seattle SuperSonics, has been a mainstay on Lebanon’s national team as a naturalized player for years. To add more sock to its lineup, Lebanon took in Tongan Paul Afeaki (renamed Khouri) and Brian Beshara (renamed Feghali) as “origin” players. Afeaki played for the University of Utah and Beshara, Louisiana State University in the US NCAA.

Recruiting fakes or mercenaries to beef up national teams is so rampant that it makes you wonder if there is still meaning to patriotism and the integrity of the game. "



Upon reading that article, I came withis comment :

i think its not right for Mr. Henson to assume that the Syrians were cheating if we look closely on the demographic composition of Brazilian population. As a proof, I extracted this article from Wikipedia :

" The population of Brazil identifying with either full or partial Arabic descent is estimated at between 15 to 17 million people, most of them tracing their roots back to Lebanese and Syrian immigrants who arrived in Brazil in the early 1900s. The Lebanese population in Brazil, over 10 million descendants and recent immigrants is larger than the population in Lebanon. Today, only a minority of these Arab Brazilians still know and use their original Arabic language, most of them having shifted to Portuguese.

Immigration of Arabs to Brazil started in the late 1800s, most of them coming from Lebanon, later from Syria and Jordan, Palestine and Morocco. Arab immigration to Brazil grew in the 1900s, and was concentrated in the state of São Paulo, but also extended to Minas Gerais, Rio de Janeiro and other parts of Brazil.

Initially, most Arab immigrants in Brazil were Christians.However, after the 1970s, many Muslim Lebanese immigrated, and the current Muslim population of Brazil, predominantly of Lebanese origin, is estimated at 1.5 million.[1] There are also Brazilian Jews who are or whose ancestors were immigrants from Lebanon, Syria and North Africa; among them is Harry Abdul, the father of American singer/dancer Paula Abdul."


Since a significant portion of Brazilians are of Syrian descent, it would be automatically be the same with its professonal basketball players.

Mr. Henson should have examine first the citizenship issues of some RP players such as Taulava and Penissi who has no pint of Filipino blood(who were just granted Philippine passports due to humanitarian reasons and as for having Filipino wives) before throwing dirts to the Syrians. . .

As for the Philippine team, they're all crap. . . you're only good if FIBA rules change by allowing only players with height 6'7" and below to play. . . It's hard to swallow but let's face it, Filipinos were vertically and horizontally inferior. That's the reality, mate.

Bred, Born and Raised a Man U

philippine star bro:D welcome to the board bro:D
 
FilWelsh said:
Hiya ! ! guys, I'm new to this forum, as a start we'll read this article from a Philippine daily paper. . .


" BraSyrians foil RP 5’s bid
SPORTING CHANCE By Joaquin M. Henson

Tuesday, May 22, 2007
Page: 1

It took a pair of so-called BraSyrians to thwart the San Miguel Beer-Philippine team’s bid for a finals berth at the FIBA-Asia Champions Cup in Tehran last Saturday.

Al Jalaa Aleppo of Syria recruited not two but three BraSyrians to back up imports Bernard Jons and Julius Nwosu in a heavily reinforced roster.

Syria crushed the Philippines twice in the nine-day joust. The first meeting came in the elimination round with Syria taking a 114-80 decision. In the semifinals, Syria blasted the Philippines again, 109-77. A win by the Philippines in the rematch would’ve sent coach Chot Reyes’ charges into the finals.

Syria’s coach was American John Sneed who once called the shots for the California State at Fullerton varsity. Al Jalaa wound up second after losing to host Saba Battery in the championship game last Sunday. The Philippines finished fourth, its best finish in the tournament since winning the crown in 1996.

The BraSyrian guns-for-hire were 6-3 Eduardo Caviglia (renamed Farhat), 6-5 Andre Luiz Chueri da Silva “Dede” Barbosa and 6-9 Marcelo de Andrade Correa. They claim Syrian heritage and will likely play for the national squad at the FIBA-Asia Championships in Tokushima this July.

Correa, 30, saw action for San Diego State, an NCAA Division I school, in 1997-2001. His father Roberto is supposed to be Syrian and was a Brazilian national cager. His mother Lucia Helena is Brazilian.

Caviglia, 30, played for West Texas A&M and his father purportedly migrated from Syria to Brazil over 30 years ago. Caviglia has dropped his surname and is now known as Farhat which definitely sounds more Syrian.

“Dede,” 27, might even be related to the Phoenix Suns’ Leandrinho (The Brazilian Blur) Barbosa, who was named the NBA’s Sixth Man awardee this season. To allay suspicions, “Dede” now uses Chueri as a last name. Who knows? Maybe the Phoenix star might show up in a Syrian uniform in Tokushima as another BraSyrian.

Caviglia and Barbosa inflicted a lot of damage on the Philippines in the second encounter. They combined for 38 points and were two of four Syrian scorers in double figures. Correa was not a factor.

Under FIBA rules, a national team may suit up only one naturalized player. But there is no restriction on the number of dual citizens in a roster. The presumption is dual citizens are not naturalized but legitimate nationals. That’s why the Philippines is able to enlist Danny Seigle, Asi Taulava, Mick Pennisi and Tony de la Cruz for the national squad. That’s the same rule Syria has invoked in tapping the three BraSyrians.

The question is – are the three BraSyrians legitimate? Do they really trace their roots to Syria? What is the probability of finding three professional Brazilian basketball players, unrelated to each other, with Syrian lineage?

More and more, there are reports coming out that poor African athletes are being sold wholesale to West Asian or Middle East countries for “conversion” not as naturalized citizens but as “origin” players or those eligible for dual citizenship because of heritage.

Like other countries, the Philippines is entitled to recruit one naturalized player – a foreigner who goes through the immigration process of acquiring Filipino citizenship. As an example, Alex Compton would be eligible to play for the Philippines if he took out Filipino citizenship. It’s the same case with La Salle cager Marko Batricevic of Serbia. There is no residence rule for naturalization in FIBA, meaning a foreigner may be brought in and given instant citizenship to become eligible as a national player. Theoretically, a James Penny or a Marquin Chandler could play for the Philippines if he becomes a naturalized citizen. The limitation is only one naturalized player is allowed per national team.

Hakeem Olajuwon of Nigeria was given instant citizenship to play for the US as a naturalized citizen in the 1996 Olympics, exempted from the then-FIBA rule requiring a three-year prior notice. Olajuwon wasn’t the only foreigner naturalized to play for the US. Others included Panama’s Rolando Blackman and Jamaica’s Pat Ewing. FIBA previously allowed two naturalized players per country which is how Jeff Moore and Dennis Still played for the Philippines in the 1985 Asian Basketball Confederation championships.

In the Doha Asian Games last year, Japan brought in a naturalized player Eric McArthur of the University of California at Santa Barbara. Colorado State’s Joe Vogel, once drafted by the Seattle SuperSonics, has been a mainstay on Lebanon’s national team as a naturalized player for years. To add more sock to its lineup, Lebanon took in Tongan Paul Afeaki (renamed Khouri) and Brian Beshara (renamed Feghali) as “origin” players. Afeaki played for the University of Utah and Beshara, Louisiana State University in the US NCAA.

Recruiting fakes or mercenaries to beef up national teams is so rampant that it makes you wonder if there is still meaning to patriotism and the integrity of the game. "



Upon reading that article, I came withis comment :

i think its not right for Mr. Henson to assume that the Syrians were cheating if we look closely on the demographic composition of Brazilian population. As a proof, I extracted this article from Wikipedia :

" The population of Brazil identifying with either full or partial Arabic descent is estimated at between 15 to 17 million people, most of them tracing their roots back to Lebanese and Syrian immigrants who arrived in Brazil in the early 1900s. The Lebanese population in Brazil, over 10 million descendants and recent immigrants is larger than the population in Lebanon. Today, only a minority of these Arab Brazilians still know and use their original Arabic language, most of them having shifted to Portuguese.

Immigration of Arabs to Brazil started in the late 1800s, most of them coming from Lebanon, later from Syria and Jordan, Palestine and Morocco. Arab immigration to Brazil grew in the 1900s, and was concentrated in the state of São Paulo, but also extended to Minas Gerais, Rio de Janeiro and other parts of Brazil.

Initially, most Arab immigrants in Brazil were Christians.However, after the 1970s, many Muslim Lebanese immigrated, and the current Muslim population of Brazil, predominantly of Lebanese origin, is estimated at 1.5 million.[1] There are also Brazilian Jews who are or whose ancestors were immigrants from Lebanon, Syria and North Africa; among them is Harry Abdul, the father of American singer/dancer Paula Abdul."


Since a significant portion of Brazilians are of Syrian descent, it would be automatically be the same with its professonal basketball players.

Mr. Henson should have examine first the citizenship issues of some RP players such as Taulava and Penissi who has no pint of Filipino blood(who were just granted Philippine passports due to humanitarian reasons and as for having Filipino wives) before throwing dirts to the Syrians. . .

As for the Philippine team, they're all crap. . . you're only good if FIBA rules change by allowing only players with height 6'7" and below to play. . . It's hard to swallow but let's face it, Filipinos were vertically and horizontally inferior. That's the reality, mate.

Bred, Born and Raised a Man U
one of those people who hates pacquiao but celebrates after he knocks down an opponent. :p
 
FilWelsh said:
Hiya ! ! guys, I'm new to this forum, as a start we'll read this article from a Philippine daily paper. . .


" BraSyrians foil RP 5’s bid
SPORTING CHANCE By Joaquin M. Henson

Tuesday, May 22, 2007
Page: 1

It took a pair of so-called BraSyrians to thwart the San Miguel Beer-Philippine team’s bid for a finals berth at the FIBA-Asia Champions Cup in Tehran last Saturday.

Al Jalaa Aleppo of Syria recruited not two but three BraSyrians to back up imports Bernard Jons and Julius Nwosu in a heavily reinforced roster.

Syria crushed the Philippines twice in the nine-day joust. The first meeting came in the elimination round with Syria taking a 114-80 decision. In the semifinals, Syria blasted the Philippines again, 109-77. A win by the Philippines in the rematch would’ve sent coach Chot Reyes’ charges into the finals.

Syria’s coach was American John Sneed who once called the shots for the California State at Fullerton varsity. Al Jalaa wound up second after losing to host Saba Battery in the championship game last Sunday. The Philippines finished fourth, its best finish in the tournament since winning the crown in 1996.

The BraSyrian guns-for-hire were 6-3 Eduardo Caviglia (renamed Farhat), 6-5 Andre Luiz Chueri da Silva “Dede” Barbosa and 6-9 Marcelo de Andrade Correa. They claim Syrian heritage and will likely play for the national squad at the FIBA-Asia Championships in Tokushima this July.

Correa, 30, saw action for San Diego State, an NCAA Division I school, in 1997-2001. His father Roberto is supposed to be Syrian and was a Brazilian national cager. His mother Lucia Helena is Brazilian.

Caviglia, 30, played for West Texas A&M and his father purportedly migrated from Syria to Brazil over 30 years ago. Caviglia has dropped his surname and is now known as Farhat which definitely sounds more Syrian.

“Dede,” 27, might even be related to the Phoenix Suns’ Leandrinho (The Brazilian Blur) Barbosa, who was named the NBA’s Sixth Man awardee this season. To allay suspicions, “Dede” now uses Chueri as a last name. Who knows? Maybe the Phoenix star might show up in a Syrian uniform in Tokushima as another BraSyrian.

Caviglia and Barbosa inflicted a lot of damage on the Philippines in the second encounter. They combined for 38 points and were two of four Syrian scorers in double figures. Correa was not a factor.

Under FIBA rules, a national team may suit up only one naturalized player. But there is no restriction on the number of dual citizens in a roster. The presumption is dual citizens are not naturalized but legitimate nationals. That’s why the Philippines is able to enlist Danny Seigle, Asi Taulava, Mick Pennisi and Tony de la Cruz for the national squad. That’s the same rule Syria has invoked in tapping the three BraSyrians.

The question is – are the three BraSyrians legitimate? Do they really trace their roots to Syria? What is the probability of finding three professional Brazilian basketball players, unrelated to each other, with Syrian lineage?

More and more, there are reports coming out that poor African athletes are being sold wholesale to West Asian or Middle East countries for “conversion” not as naturalized citizens but as “origin” players or those eligible for dual citizenship because of heritage.

Like other countries, the Philippines is entitled to recruit one naturalized player – a foreigner who goes through the immigration process of acquiring Filipino citizenship. As an example, Alex Compton would be eligible to play for the Philippines if he took out Filipino citizenship. It’s the same case with La Salle cager Marko Batricevic of Serbia. There is no residence rule for naturalization in FIBA, meaning a foreigner may be brought in and given instant citizenship to become eligible as a national player. Theoretically, a James Penny or a Marquin Chandler could play for the Philippines if he becomes a naturalized citizen. The limitation is only one naturalized player is allowed per national team.

Hakeem Olajuwon of Nigeria was given instant citizenship to play for the US as a naturalized citizen in the 1996 Olympics, exempted from the then-FIBA rule requiring a three-year prior notice. Olajuwon wasn’t the only foreigner naturalized to play for the US. Others included Panama’s Rolando Blackman and Jamaica’s Pat Ewing. FIBA previously allowed two naturalized players per country which is how Jeff Moore and Dennis Still played for the Philippines in the 1985 Asian Basketball Confederation championships.

In the Doha Asian Games last year, Japan brought in a naturalized player Eric McArthur of the University of California at Santa Barbara. Colorado State’s Joe Vogel, once drafted by the Seattle SuperSonics, has been a mainstay on Lebanon’s national team as a naturalized player for years. To add more sock to its lineup, Lebanon took in Tongan Paul Afeaki (renamed Khouri) and Brian Beshara (renamed Feghali) as “origin” players. Afeaki played for the University of Utah and Beshara, Louisiana State University in the US NCAA.

Recruiting fakes or mercenaries to beef up national teams is so rampant that it makes you wonder if there is still meaning to patriotism and the integrity of the game. "



Upon reading that article, I came withis comment :

i think its not right for Mr. Henson to assume that the Syrians were cheating if we look closely on the demographic composition of Brazilian population. As a proof, I extracted this article from Wikipedia :

" The population of Brazil identifying with either full or partial Arabic descent is estimated at between 15 to 17 million people, most of them tracing their roots back to Lebanese and Syrian immigrants who arrived in Brazil in the early 1900s. The Lebanese population in Brazil, over 10 million descendants and recent immigrants is larger than the population in Lebanon. Today, only a minority of these Arab Brazilians still know and use their original Arabic language, most of them having shifted to Portuguese.

Immigration of Arabs to Brazil started in the late 1800s, most of them coming from Lebanon, later from Syria and Jordan, Palestine and Morocco. Arab immigration to Brazil grew in the 1900s, and was concentrated in the state of São Paulo, but also extended to Minas Gerais, Rio de Janeiro and other parts of Brazil.

Initially, most Arab immigrants in Brazil were Christians.However, after the 1970s, many Muslim Lebanese immigrated, and the current Muslim population of Brazil, predominantly of Lebanese origin, is estimated at 1.5 million.[1] There are also Brazilian Jews who are or whose ancestors were immigrants from Lebanon, Syria and North Africa; among them is Harry Abdul, the father of American singer/dancer Paula Abdul."


Since a significant portion of Brazilians are of Syrian descent, it would be automatically be the same with its professonal basketball players.

Mr. Henson should have examine first the citizenship issues of some RP players such as Taulava and Penissi who has no pint of Filipino blood(who were just granted Philippine passports due to humanitarian reasons and as for having Filipino wives) before throwing dirts to the Syrians. . .

As for the Philippine team, they're all crap. . . you're only good if FIBA rules change by allowing only players with height 6'7" and below to play. . . It's hard to swallow but let's face it, Filipinos were vertically and horizontally inferior. That's the reality, mate.

Bred, Born and Raised a Man U
What a way to make your first post!! Antogonizing every Filipino members in this forum.

The issue here is really simple, if both of his parents are Syrian nationals then he is full blooded. He's half breed, if only one of his parents (mother or father) is a Syrian. If neither of those two conditions applies then he should be naturalized in order to get citizenship. Now what crap are you trying to prove by posting a stupid and boring post of geography and history in this thread. You do know that this is a basketball forum, right! And we don't talk about shit like that here

Taulava started playing RP ball in 1998 as an amateur, a year later he joined the pros, a year later he was suspended, after that he spent 2 years defending his case in the courts to prove his citizenship, until he was allowed to play and eventually included in the RP lineup for the 2002 Asian games. What I am saying is that it took him almost 5-6 years before he was called to join the RP team. It was not like he was foreign player whom we took and then immediately inserted in the RP lineup just cause he can play ball. It goes the same with other Fil-foreigners who are member of this squad. They were investigated, grilled by our courts before legitimizing their citizenship. In other words, they went through hell to prove they were really Filipinos (or half Filipinos). Now can you say the same about your Brazilian-Syrian players???

Now you can make your case about the RP team being weak, but you have yet to prove that Syria, even with those 3 so-called Brazilian-Syrian players of yours, can beat our RP team A without any imports. You cant cause they haven't played against each other yet...
 
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onono1 said:
Dude, your piece is quite interesting with those fil-foreigners lineup. Except of course the only filipino samigue eman, i wonder why did u include eman in this thread because based on the reports and according to many basketball scouts as well, 6-10 eman has no skills and quickness for basketball living. You could see him the way he's been playing in the pbl. No offense meant.

Well, Japeth Aguilar is pure Filipino too. He's the son of former Ginebra cager Peter Aguilar.

I feel so old... I still remember watching Peter Aguilar getting drafted by Anejo and playing out his rookie year way back in '88-- the time before there was an internet and dinosaurs roamed the Earth.
 
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no man , about brian beshara and paul khoury , they do have lebanese blood im 100% sure , lebanon would never cheat they dont have the money for it :p but is it true what ur saying about Taulava and Pennisi not being filipino ? if ya than the filipino team would be really short !! :confused:
 
onono1 said:
Dude, your piece is quite interesting with those fil-foreigners lineup. Except of course the only filipino samigue eman, i wonder why did u include eman in this thread because based on the reports and according to many basketball scouts as well, 6-10 eman has no skills and quickness for basketball living. You could see him the way he's been playing in the pbl. No offense meant.

I just included him because he is tall :D
I forgot to include GABE NORWOOD

and I heard that Dorian Pena has a brother named Robert Pressey? he's still a soph at Coppin State....

I forgot the name of this Ateneo Big Guy... Not Japeth... Sounds like a chinese name.. He's playing in California Highschool now... I think he's 6'7 or 6'8
 
karim said:
no man , about brian beshara and paul khoury , they do have lebanese blood im 100% sure , lebanon would never cheat they dont have the money for it :p but is it true what ur saying about Taulava and Pennisi not being filipino ? if ya than the filipino team would be really short !! :confused:

Hi Karim, in the case of Taulava and Pennisi, yes they are Filipinos. Although not full blooded, they were able to prove that are Half Filipino. Taulava is Half Filipino half Tongan, while Pennisi, I think, is Half Filipino halh Italian. They were grilled by our courts to prove their eligibility as a Filipino. Same goes for other Fil-ams that we have in our line up, like Seigle for example.

Peace out A town:D
 
Hi guys, look I'm already an official member of this forum. No longer a junior member. :D Yahoo!!
 
Dinamita said:
I just included him because he is tall :D
I forgot to include GABE NORWOOD

and I heard that Dorian Pena has a brother named Robert Pressey? he's still a soph at Coppin State....

I forgot the name of this Ateneo Big Guy... Not Japeth... Sounds like a chinese name.. He's playing in California Highschool now... I think he's 6'7 or 6'8

Gian Chiu. Reports say he's grown to around 6'10".
 
mikepogi said:
What a way to make your first post!! Antogonizing every Filipino members in this forum.

The issue here is really simple, if both of his parents are Syrian nationals then he is full blooded. He's half breed, if only one of his parents (mother or father) is a Syrian. If neither of those two conditions applies then he should be naturalized in order to get citizenship. Now what crap are you trying to prove by posting a stupid and boring post of geography and history in this thread. You do know that this is a basketball forum, right! And we don't talk about shit like that here

Taulava started playing RP ball in 1998 as an amateur, a year later he joined the pros, a year later he was suspended, after that he spent 2 years defending his case in the courts to prove his citizenship, until he was allowed to play and eventually included in the RP lineup for the 2002 Asian games. What I am saying is that it took him almost 5-6 years before he was called to join the RP team. It was not like he was foreign player whom we took and then immediately inserted in the RP lineup just cause he can play ball. It goes the same with other Fil-foreigners who are member of this squad. They were investigated, grilled by our courts before legitimizing their citizenship. In other words, they went through hell to prove they were really Filipinos (or half Filipinos). Now can you say the same about your Brazilian-Syrian players???

Now you can make your case about the RP team being weak, but you have yet to prove that Syria, even with those 3 so-called Brazilian-Syrian players of yours, can beat our RP team A without any imports. You cant cause they haven't played against each other yet...


I would like to extend my apology to Filipino members in this forum (for those nasty language that I have written.) . . My point is even if Taulava and Penissi were already granted Philippine citizenship, the cloudiness of their claims of Filipino ancestry remains. That cannot be said of Danny Seigle as he is legitimate Filipino.
 
the point you are making about the cloudiness of penisi and taulava is moot ,academic and distracter to filipino fans because legally as far as the philippine laws are concerned they are filipinos as affirmed by the philippine high court so bringing up this issue is like putting salt on old wounds and makes one ask , what your point? specially more so that all filipinos need to be united with the fiba-asia games only 2 months away. why dont you bring up something positive instead? if you really want to discuss negative stuff, can't you wait until the fiba-asia is finished, please? Thanks !



FilWelsh said:
I would like to extend my apology to Filipino members in this forum (for those nasty language that I have written.) . . My point is even if Taulava and Penissi were already granted Philippine citizenship, the cloudiness of their claims of Filipino ancestry remains. That cannot be said of Danny Seigle as he is legitimate Filipino.
 
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Asian Championships Japan 2007

Asian Championships Japan 2007

1.- CHINA (even with Team B is the best national team in Asia)
2.- JAPAN (playing like hosts and Pavlicevic progresses will be important factors to this second place even without Yuta Tabuse and Walter Brown).
3.- SYRIA (black horse of tournament... Crack Madanli)
4.- JORDAN (another black horse... Excellents players like Wright and Daghlas)
5.- LEBANON (traditionally the second best team in Asia, but lately is worsening his level)
6.- SOUTH KOREA (height is a problem)
7.- ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN (I do not discard surprises and this team obtain a better result)
8.- PHILIPPINES

I´M SORRY, PHILIPPINE FRIENDS, BUT YOUR NATIONAL TEAM IS NOT OF THE BEST AND TAULAVA ISN´T GASOL, ALAPAG ISN´T CALDERON AND NEITHER I THINK SEIGLE IS LIKE "THE BOMB" NAVARRO. I WISH COULD BE FILIPINOS COMPETITIVE IN A FUTURE.
 
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