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24th FIBA-Asia Championship [Jul 28-Aug 5 Japan]

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WIZARD said:
For the love of God stop saying your team is number 1 In asia..your team didnt accomplish any thing at least for the last 10 years u been ranked as
10th..i dont care if u sent ur A team or ur x team even playing the asian club at ur home 2005 with what so called a team u got 8th place..so just spare me
u still live in the past and u still think that even korea is still a powerhouse
korea has droped since 2005 and i dont see them making any thing even this year plus
u east asian guys still play the same old fashion BBall run 'n' gun which is dead for a long time i dont know any other teams still play this way other than Phoenix suns!!! now its the time for the west asian teams Qatar jordan lebanon Iran...other than china in east asia with all respect i dont see any other competition..this is the TRUE FACT and u have to live with it..
just let me tell u some thing Jordan NT played against the second seeded club in greece 1Division and lost by 12 pts ...not losing by 35 pts from a syrian and trying to make fun of us by making it a decoy done by ur coach ..jeeeeeeeez
True.. Some Filipinos here are a bit dillusional if they think that the RP team is ranked number 1 in Asia. In fact I would even make a case that it doesnt belong to the top 5. But so is Lebanon, Iran and other west asian countries. The truth of the matter is, the only guaranteed spot in the rankings is China, of that being number 1. While the remaining slots are all up for grabs. Teams like Lebanon, Iran, Syria, Qatar, South Korea - none of us are sure which is a better team. You can even throw in countries like Taiwan, Japan, and yes, the Philippines in the mix. So dont be too overconfident and think that those West Asian countries will dominate basketball in Asia, because you are sorely mistaken to do so. And one more thing, you can make a case that West Asian countries like Lebanon, Iran, Syria haver performed really well in the past Asian games, but the fact is, which you cannot deny, is that those countries, except for Qatar, has never beaten the RP team A without any imports in their lineup.
jeeeez.. jeeeeez my as$..
 
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mikepogi said:
True.. Some Filipinos here are a bit dillusional if they think that the RP team is ranked number 1 in Asia. In fact I would even make a case that it doesnt belong to the top 5. But so is Lebanon, Iran and other west asian countries. The truth of the matter is, the only guaranteed spot in the rankings is China, of that being number 1. While the remaining slots are all up for grabs. Teams like Lebanon, Iran, Syria, Qatar, South Korea - none of us are sure which is a better team. You can even throw in countries like Taiwan, Japan, and yes, the Philippines in the mix. So dont be too overconfident and think that those West Asian countries will dominate basketball in Asia, because you are sorely mistaken to do so. And one more thing, you can make a case that West Asian countries like Lebanon, Iran, Syria haver performed really well in the past Asian games, but the fact is, which you cannot deny, is that those countries, except for Qatar, has never beaten the RP team A without any imports in their lineup.
jeeeez.. jeeeeez my as$..

well..Last game between jordan and PR was in Qatar 2004 and jordan won i guess 80-70
 
WIZARD said:
well..Last game between jordan and PR was in Qatar 2004 and jordan won i guess 80-70
When was that, I dont remember the RP team playing in Qatar. It would be nice if you could provide a link. I am curious to find out the lineup of that RP team.
 
WIZARD said:
well..Last game between jordan and PR was in Qatar 2004 and jordan won i guess 80-70
I think u mean Stankovic cup 2004 and it wasn't quatar,it was in Chinese Taipei I think !!
 
daniab said:
I think u mean Stankovic cup 2004 and it wasn't quatar,it was in Chinese Taipei I think !!
I remember correctly it was in the Jones Cup that Qatar beat the RP National pool team by 10 pts. Thats the one I was referring in my earlier post... I gave that to Qatar, no excuses there... We also lost to Taiwan and an American minor league club.
 
Mikepogi, when did qatar beat philippines? Yeah they beat philippines last year but that was a hastily assembled mix of amateur and not so good pro-players. The fact is Qatar never defeated a feal RP team in the history of the sport.
mikepogi said:
True.. Some Filipinos here are a bit dillusional if they think that the RP team is ranked number 1 in Asia. In fact I would even make a case that it doesnt belong to the top 5. But so is Lebanon, Iran and other west asian countries. The truth of the matter is, the only guaranteed spot in the rankings is China, of that being number 1. While the remaining slots are all up for grabs. Teams like Lebanon, Iran, Syria, Qatar, South Korea - none of us are sure which is a better team. You can even throw in countries like Taiwan, Japan, and yes, the Philippines in the mix. So dont be too overconfident and think that those West Asian countries will dominate basketball in Asia, because you are sorely mistaken to do so. And one more thing, you can make a case that West Asian countries like Lebanon, Iran, Syria haver performed really well in the past Asian games, but the fact is, which you cannot deny, is that those countries, except for Qatar, has never beaten the RP team A without any imports in their lineup.
jeeeez.. jeeeeez my as$..
 
No MikepogiPhilippines beat Qatar by 11, I remember willie miller saying something like "mapoporma kasi at mukhang athletic kaya pinakitaan ko rin".
mikepogi said:
I remember correctly it was in the Jones Cup that Qatar beat the RP National pool team by 10 pts. Thats the one I was referring in my earlier post... I gave that to Qatar, no excuses there... We also lost to Taiwan and an American minor league club.
 
I give that to them.. Irregardless whether we sent the National pool team, we could say Qatar an all-pro team. I could even give them the benefit of the doubt that Qatar didnt send their NT's final lineup in the Jones Cup. Fair is fair, they won and we should concede the lose.
 
Yeah after all our national team showed what it is really made of, without tony dela cruz, w/o seigle, w/o James Yap, w/o kelly williams, w/o naturalized players and most especially w/o two 7'3 imports:D
mikepogi said:
I give that to them.. Irregardless whether we sent the National pool team, we could say Qatar an all-pro team. I could even give them the benefit of the doubt that Qatar didnt send their NT's final lineup in the Jones Cup. Fair is fair, they won and we should concede the lose.
 
I gave that to them. Irregardless whether it was a National pool team, Qatar did beat an RP all-pro squad in the Jones cup. I would give them the benefit of the doubt that they didn't send their final NT's lineup in the jones cup. Fair is fair, they beat us so we concede the lose.
 
No it was in Qatar iam sure..it was Qatar tournemnt EGYPT,qatar,jordan,philippine....Jordan won philippine by 10 pts as i remember
then we beat qatar by 14 pts then we played the final game against egypt which is one of strongest arab countries in Bball also in africa they get the bronze medal every time in african cup..any way we beat them by 13 pts as i remember not sure thu..in 2005 they didn organize this tournemnt..in 2006 angola won it.
 
Hey Wizard!Did you say we? So you are not Yugoslavian but from Qatar. I remember that. RP was beaten, but sorry to disappoint you, the core of that team was selected from league called UAAP which is Division 3 here in the Philippines and only reinforced by 5 not so very good players from the PBA. Qatar will never defeat a real NT of Philippines.

In the past 5 years in 3 games Qatar NT has played against Philippine Division 1 clubs, RP won 3 times. Once by Selecta (2002), Once by Happe (2002), One by the NT (2005).

There's nothing to be proud of in defeating a team made up of amateur college players.
WIZARD said:
No it was in Qatar iam sure..it was Qatar tournemnt EGYPT,qatar,jordan,philippine....Jordan won philippine by 10 pts as i remember
then we beat qatar by 14 pts then we played the final game against egypt which is one of strongest arab countries in Bball also in africa they get the bronze medal every time in african cup..any way we beat them by 13 pts as i remember not sure thu..in 2005 they didn organize this tournemnt..in 2006 angola won it.
 
WIZARD said:
No it was in Qatar iam sure..it was Qatar tournemnt EGYPT,qatar,jordan,philippine....Jordan won philippine by 10 pts as i remember
then we beat qatar by 14 pts then we played the final game against egypt which is one of strongest arab countries in Bball also in africa they get the bronze medal every time in african cup..any way we beat them by 13 pts as i remember not sure thu..in 2005 they didn organize this tournemnt..in 2006 angola won it.

Its really easy to keep track of the tournaments that the RP Team A or RP Team national pool from the PBA (our country's professional league) joined since 2002. Theres only a handful of them since we were suspended for two years. And I don't recall any team that was sent to Qatar. Maybe its a second-tier team made up of amateurs. And besides if it was really was our A-team then it this would have been thoroughly discussed in this forum since posters here are predominantly Filipinos.
 
anti_morales said:
Hey Wizard!Did you say we? So you are not Yugoslavian but from Qatar. I remember that. RP was beaten, but sorry to disappoint you, the core of that team was selected from league called UAAP which is Division 3 here in the Philippines and only reinforced by 5 not so very good players from the PBA. Qatar will never defeat a real NT of Philippines.

In the past 5 years in 3 games Qatar NT has played against Philippine Division 1 clubs, RP won 3 times. Once by Selecta (2002), Once by Happe (2002), One by the NT (2005).

There's nothing to be proud of in defeating a team made up of amateur college players.

Doest it make any difference if i was A Serb or not???any way iam a half serb from my mothers side and i live here in Serbia.

now about ur NT team..it was made up by 3rd divisio league and few other players from the top league..well even if it was ur A team nothing will change
jordan NT can still beat u...u make it sound as if u played with ur a league players might win World cup!! Man frankly i dont see your Team as a scary 1...as i said before other than China ..there is no competition..not Korea not taiwan ..maybe Japan since they play home..but still as i said east asian teams still play the old fashion way Run and gun..with good diffence u cant do thing
 
WIZARD said:
Doest it make any difference if i was A Serb or not???any way iam a half serb from my mothers side and i live here in Serbia.

now about ur NT team..it was made up by 3rd divisio league and few other players from the top league..well even if it was ur A team nothing will change
jordan NT can still beat u...u make it sound as if u played with ur a league players might win World cup!! Man frankly i dont see your Team as a scary 1...as i said before other than China ..there is no competition..not Korea not taiwan ..maybe Japan since they play home..but still as i said east asian teams still play the old fashion way Run and gun..with good diffence u cant do thing

Wizard, i hope you give justice to your name :( i'm sure our NT team(Div 1) still needs to make some adjustments to match other world class teams. but, surely, the NT team of Jordan will have a fat chance of beating us on any given day. unless, of course, they field in two or four imports.

but i must say i agree in what you said that defense will still be the most potent arsenal any ball club should have. and i truly hope our NT is striving to gain perfection of the said art. :)
 
flipball said:
Wizard, i hope you give justice to your name :( i'm sure our NT team(Div 1) still needs to make some adjustments to match other world class teams. but, surely, the NT team of Jordan will have a fat chance of beating us on any given day. unless, of course, they field in two or four imports.

but i must say i agree in what you said that defense will still be the most potent arsenal any ball club should have. and i truly hope our NT is striving to gain perfection of the said art. :)

Absolutely any team would like to have a very good defense. This is because having it's easier to be consistent with your defense than with your offense.

;)
 
flipball said:
i'm sure our NT team(Div 1) still needs to make some adjustments to match other world class teams

It will not only take adjustments, it will take miracles to successfully match worldclassteams. There is a long long way from the top of Asia to the top of the world like Argentina, USA, Spain, Italy, Greece, Serbia, Germany etc. etc.
 
This was the last time the Philippines played against a European team I think. How is Latvia as a basketball country??

NATIONALS PUSH LATVIA TO THE HILT

Friday, 04 August 2006

DOHA, Qatar – The board had the team at the shorter end of the scores. Still, all players and coaches moved out of the Al-Gharafa Sports Club Hall with heads up high and smiling from ear to ear.

Latvia fashioned out a 73-65 victory over SMC-Pilipinas, but only after being pushed to the hilt by the smaller Filipinos in the Al-Emadi International Basketball Championship here Thursday.

The win gave Latvia an unblemished 3-0 card and top seeding in the semifinals of this four-nation tourney. SMC-Pilipinas, for its part, absorbed its second setback in as many assignments.

National coach Chot Reyes, however, couldn’t be happier with the way his wards battled the taller and heftier Latvians on both ends of the floor.

“I’m very, very happy and very proud of the guys. They did a great, great job out there,” Reyes said after the game. “We were getting our shots and not turning the ball over and that’s what we wanted.”

Like in their opening game against Qatar, the Filipinos, also backed by Accel, got off to a good start. Arwind Santos and Kerby Raymundo hit their stride early and SMC-Pilipinas took the first quarter, 18-14.

Latvia got its rhythm late in the second quarter, unloading an 8-0 bomb in the last minute that gave the league leaders a 42-33 lead at the half.

Kristaps Valters presided over another big tear in the third to make it 54-37. But just as Latvia appeared headed for a blowout, SMC-Pilipinas stepped on the gas. Larry Fonacier, Willie Miller and Joseph Yeo teamed up in a searing rally that had the Nationals breathing down the Latvians’ necks, 56-60, early in the final period.

SMC-Pilipinas engaged Latvia toe-to-toe but clutch baskets by big man Uvis Helmanis kept the Filipinos at bay in the closing minutes.

“We’re definitely achieving our goals,” Reyes said. “For both the players and coaches, this is the kind of teams we really want to play. And for the players, they can only get better playing teams like Latvia.

“Also, we’re actually using this tournament as some sort of a tryout to see kung sino talaga ang puwede just in case the FIBA suspension is lifted. All of the people we’ve talked to here are saying it’s already lifted, so we might as well be ready for that eventuality.”

After the disappointing loss to Qatar, the gallant stand of the Filipinos against Latvia was certainly a boost.

“We were a lot better today than we were last night against Qatar. The challenge is how we can still be better in our next game,” said Reyes.

SMC-Pilipinas takes on African champion Angola Friday to close its elimination round schedule.

The scores:

Latvia 73 – S. Valters, 15, Helmanis 12, Janicenoks 11, K. Valters 9, Ciprus 7, Jahovics 5, Vecelous 4, Timermanis 4, Buskevics 3, Blums 3.

SMC-Pil 65 – Raymundo 12, Miller 11, Fonacier 8, Santos 7, Yeo 7, Pennisi 7, Reavis 5, Tenorio 3, Canaleta 3, Pena 2, Mamaril 0, Miranda 0.

Quarters: 14-18, 42-33, 59-54, 73-65.


bsgermany said:
It will not only take adjustments, it will take miracles to successfully match worldclassteams. There is a long long way from the top of Asia to the top of the world like Argentina, USA, Spain, Italy, Greece, Serbia, Germany etc. etc.
 
The result looks pretty good for the Philippines, but first of all, Latvia is not the top of Europe, and certainly far from the above mentioned worldclass - and there were a fiew guys missing on team Latvia, that would surely have made a difference like Biedrins, Kambala, Stelmahers and possibly Ostler.

Nevertheless it must have been a pretty good game by team Philiipines (or a lousy one from Latvia :D ).
 
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