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adomaitis coming back would probably be the best possible option but i dont really believe it, i assumed he had enough after the first attempt.
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I agree. Dainius Adomaitis took too much mindless abuse during his first stint including from a couple of members of this very forum. I doubt therefore that he'll agree to gve the job another try.
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Basketnews research found shaky looking money transfers of new federation.
As i said from day 1 do not trust person who was in court for money loudering. People do not change, once money louderer stays money louderer,they cant help themselfs and stop doing that.
Put former basketball player milionair in charge of federation that for them is little sense to steal money and give him proffesionals in other areas to help to do things they dont have knowledge. But final signature in desicions must be put by former player star in basketball federation
Such people put their own blood and bodies on the line ...so they cares honestly about ltu basketball
Putting shaky organisators as final desicion maker and final signature wont lead to good things for lithuania basketball.Their priority is not lithuanian basketball results
Me as basketball fan i want Sabonis,Kazlauskas,Jasikevicius,Javtokas types be in charge those people i trust and know 100% they honestly cares about lithuanian basketball past,present and future.
As i said from day 1 do not trust person who was in court for money loudering. People do not change, once money louderer stays money louderer,they cant help themselfs and stop doing that.
Put former basketball player milionair in charge of federation that for them is little sense to steal money and give him proffesionals in other areas to help to do things they dont have knowledge. But final signature in desicions must be put by former player star in basketball federation
Such people put their own blood and bodies on the line ...so they cares honestly about ltu basketball
Putting shaky organisators as final desicion maker and final signature wont lead to good things for lithuania basketball.Their priority is not lithuanian basketball results
Me as basketball fan i want Sabonis,Kazlauskas,Jasikevicius,Javtokas types be in charge those people i trust and know 100% they honestly cares about lithuanian basketball past,present and future.
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I wouldn't say Balciunas doesn't care about BB. I could not make such claim. He did a lot to LTU basketball, like being pro-active and sending NT to WC 2010 where we won only WC medals. Also he organized Eurobasket 2011 as the main key basically. Also no-one yet proved him to be a money loundering person. Only court (objective law process) can make a claim. Previously he was completely discharged. So such claims as above reminds me poor uneducated people slogans like "all politicians are thieves".
There's a lot of fishy things obviously though and many answers that should be answered, and I would love hear the answers. And I love that our BB media (or media overall) reached such level when we can really make such re-search and push people to act according to rules and provide answers.
The same Javtokas does have small business and I would like to know if he does everything strictly according to the low and wouldn't he go around some taxes as some businessmen do in Lithuania. Somehow we might come up to the good old thesis "ne sventieji puodus lipdo". Balciunas is right that basketnews.lt should go through Javtokas CV detail by detail too, just to be sure he's a completely clean candidate. We don't see that.
Nevertheless, I support Javtokas at this point. I'm disappointed with Balciunas appointment of coach (allowing Maksvytis to work with Zalgiris when he already had a contract with NT) and organizing poor exhibition stage for the NT in all three summers. Somehow about this no-one talks ironically
NT is the key. Other fields are secondary and not even close. It's all about senior NT winning. That's what makes LTU BB worthy something. If not that, no-one would care about BB in Lithuania. If there was no A. Sabonis no-one even would care so much about even saint cow (business project) Zalgiris. What federation has to do is to make NT successful, if you don't, you screwed. That's how it is.
I believe Javtokas has better chance to get Jasikevicius closer NT and maybe re-invite Adomaitis. So I'm supporting Javtokas. I feel like it's 50/50 now. So let's see. BTW, I think Javtokas primarily choice is also Kurtinaitis, he also talked with him. I think it's harder to convince Adomaitis. So in that regard there won't me much difference I'm afraid. And that's the key regard. Coach and players is the key. Nothing else.
There's a lot of fishy things obviously though and many answers that should be answered, and I would love hear the answers. And I love that our BB media (or media overall) reached such level when we can really make such re-search and push people to act according to rules and provide answers.
The same Javtokas does have small business and I would like to know if he does everything strictly according to the low and wouldn't he go around some taxes as some businessmen do in Lithuania. Somehow we might come up to the good old thesis "ne sventieji puodus lipdo". Balciunas is right that basketnews.lt should go through Javtokas CV detail by detail too, just to be sure he's a completely clean candidate. We don't see that.
Nevertheless, I support Javtokas at this point. I'm disappointed with Balciunas appointment of coach (allowing Maksvytis to work with Zalgiris when he already had a contract with NT) and organizing poor exhibition stage for the NT in all three summers. Somehow about this no-one talks ironically
NT is the key. Other fields are secondary and not even close. It's all about senior NT winning. That's what makes LTU BB worthy something. If not that, no-one would care about BB in Lithuania. If there was no A. Sabonis no-one even would care so much about even saint cow (business project) Zalgiris. What federation has to do is to make NT successful, if you don't, you screwed. That's how it is.I believe Javtokas has better chance to get Jasikevicius closer NT and maybe re-invite Adomaitis. So I'm supporting Javtokas. I feel like it's 50/50 now. So let's see. BTW, I think Javtokas primarily choice is also Kurtinaitis, he also talked with him. I think it's harder to convince Adomaitis. So in that regard there won't me much difference I'm afraid. And that's the key regard. Coach and players is the key. Nothing else.
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Balciunas discharged? yeah on theoritical law grounds but everybody with life experience knows there no smoke without fire. Those charges was very seriuos and time shown us once again people do not change
Being in courts for 5 years it was huuuge red flag and said from day 1 and put such very shaky person in charge were 100k money transfers going on is big big no
Federation voters made mistake in 2021. If they gonna repeat that in 2024 even knowing all Balciunas history by this point its on them and if they gonna vote for that thief again our basketball deserve what it got in last years and next 4 years.
With Balciunas no chance Jasikevicius ever will join NT, Euroleague GM lithuanian want no business with that shaky person.
Best ltu player ever and best ltu coach ever kicked Balciunas ass of the federation in 2013.
How manny ltu basketball giants must say Balciunas is not good for ltu basketball ?
Balciunas main trick is fool those old timers veterans and use their names like Paulauskas,Gedvilas,Garastas,Rupsiene,Kosauskas and no suprise he would hire other 65 old timer Kurtinaitis as next coach
Being in courts for 5 years it was huuuge red flag and said from day 1 and put such very shaky person in charge were 100k money transfers going on is big big no
Federation voters made mistake in 2021. If they gonna repeat that in 2024 even knowing all Balciunas history by this point its on them and if they gonna vote for that thief again our basketball deserve what it got in last years and next 4 years.
With Balciunas no chance Jasikevicius ever will join NT, Euroleague GM lithuanian want no business with that shaky person.
Best ltu player ever and best ltu coach ever kicked Balciunas ass of the federation in 2013.
How manny ltu basketball giants must say Balciunas is not good for ltu basketball ?
Balciunas main trick is fool those old timers veterans and use their names like Paulauskas,Gedvilas,Garastas,Rupsiene,Kosauskas and no suprise he would hire other 65 old timer Kurtinaitis as next coach
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Point is that it's your speculation. Presumption of innocence exists by a reason. If such persons as you would establish the system it would be dark ages with burning torches in superstitious men hands Life experience my ass. If you would experience at least 5% of duties and pressure that some-one like Balciunas constantly carries, I would be looking at you closely if you not writing down some kind of flat or two to your-self. I'm against any corruption, but the way I see it, Balciunas is pro active, good GM, increases federation budget, overall does a good job when it comes to all links (increased budgets of leagues, better salaries of refs and so on), AND AT THE SAME time he co-links his personal basketball project with federation name and activity. I personally don't like it (private and public interest should be strictly separated), but it's up to institutions to chuck if that's down with law or not. The problem with Balciunas is not some kind of corruption (at least as long as it's not proven otherwise), but the problem with NT results, NT preparation. That's all. If there was one medal or at least semis in one of the tournaments of previous Olympic cycle, no-one would question him.
And, again, where's basketnews.lt research on Javtokas? I mean, some not so fun rumors around him as well. If that's democratic elections and LTU basketball media wants it to be so, do the job till the end Now it really looks and I think is one sided.
I like the process so far, it seems like elections how it should be. It's big step forwards towards how it should be in the normal progressive democratic country. Maybe the electing system should be modified, but so far it seems that it's 50/50 among the voters, so it's all good, the balance is there.
And deep down, the problem is that for both Javtokas and Balciunas main candidate to coach will be Kurtinaitis. I have very mixed feelings about it. He might a perfect coach to give freedom to KJ and Buzelis and spot up shooters as Sirvydis, Rubstavicius may thrive under him, as well as the team would run a lot, but he may also overdo with trainings, discipline and old school ways when it comes to communication. IDK, the worst thing is to lose some key players because of that. I'm all for Adomaitis, he's the best possible option ATM I think, bet Kurtinaitis is No.1 candidate ATM no-matter who wins the elections.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1pOatSEJ70&ab_channel=Augustas%C5%A0uliau skas
Life experience my ass. If you would experience at least 5% of duties and pressure that some-one like Balciunas constantly carries, I would be looking at you closely if you not writing down some kind of flat or two to your-self. I'm against any corruption, but the way I see it, Balciunas is pro active, good GM, increases federation budget, overall does a good job when it comes to all links (increased budgets of leagues, better salaries of refs and so on), AND AT THE SAME time he co-links his personal basketball project with federation name and activity. I personally don't like it (private and public interest should be strictly separated), but it's up to institutions to chuck if that's down with law or not. The problem with Balciunas is not some kind of corruption (at least as long as it's not proven otherwise), but the problem with NT results, NT preparation. That's all. If there was one medal or at least semis in one of the tournaments of previous Olympic cycle, no-one would question him.And, again, where's basketnews.lt research on Javtokas? I mean, some not so fun rumors around him as well. If that's democratic elections and LTU basketball media wants it to be so, do the job till the end
Now it really looks and I think is one sided.I like the process so far, it seems like elections how it should be. It's big step forwards towards how it should be in the normal progressive democratic country. Maybe the electing system should be modified, but so far it seems that it's 50/50 among the voters, so it's all good, the balance is there.
And deep down, the problem is that for both Javtokas and Balciunas main candidate to coach will be Kurtinaitis. I have very mixed feelings about it. He might a perfect coach to give freedom to KJ and Buzelis and spot up shooters as Sirvydis, Rubstavicius may thrive under him, as well as the team would run a lot, but he may also overdo with trainings, discipline and old school ways when it comes to communication. IDK, the worst thing is to lose some key players because of that. I'm all for Adomaitis, he's the best possible option ATM I think, bet Kurtinaitis is No.1 candidate ATM no-matter who wins the elections.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1pOatSEJ70&ab_channel=Augustas%C5%A0uliau skas
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And, again, where's basketnews.lt research on Javtokas? I mean, some not so fun rumors around him as well. If that's democratic elections and LTU basketball media wants it to be so, do the job till the end
the research was based on where lkf money is going and javtokas has no ties with lkf, its not related to the president election even if the timing is very odd
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Uggghhhh. Only you would assess a Team Lietuva coach on that basis. For one thing only one of those players has a decent chance of being invited to camp next summer and he did less, a lot less, than distinguish himself this past summer.
Have you forgotten that you agreed that Lithuanian basketball has suffered due to a lack of toughness, i.e. players who refuse to lose, in the last ten years? And that "hard times breed toughness"? The last thing Team Lietuva needs is the type of shrinking violets that can't handle a disciplinarian as their coach.
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very disappointing result. one candidate was backed by names like jasikevicius and kazlauskas and the other one was backed by corruption and a track record of doing nothing to help lithuanian basketball. no wonder lithuanian basketball keeps sinking with idiotic decisions like this. this whole system and the way things operate is rotten to its core.
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Backed by names when one month to go was left? Maybe those names are sleepy? To me it's super funny. Javtokas said himself he didn't travel through whole candidates? Why?
Why do you even expect to win when you're not even meeting voters? It's stupid What kind of naive thinking is that? You will take Kazlauskas and JV to the voting and suddenly everybody will vote for you? Come on, dude, Javtokas was hunting a month ago when Balciunas was all over the place.Another thing, Javtokas says he will be more open to discussion candidate than Balciunas and takes Kazlauskas
Dude who suggested to reserve journalists rights with serious face And listen to what people talk about Spokas federation (the one with whom Kazlauskas came to coach NT), Pacesas said that they forced the committees members to sign the agreement not to talk or criticize anything that will be talked and decided there (so Pacesas declined). I mean, now suddenly Kazlauskas is a guy who will bring more democracy? And thirdly, Javtokas contradicts himself. He based his company on 2 things: 1 we need authority, leaders, elite being in the first lines and not separated from LTU basketball, 2 we will be more open to dialogue. LOL, that's completely contradictory. BB elite is pissed because they can't just click a finger and make things happen as they think. I personally think that if Jasikevicius, Kazlauskas, Pocius would take over completely we likely do better in terms of decisions, but it definitely wouldn't have do anything with democracy
Javtokas speech and whole company was extremely weak. He looked unprepared, lazy, having nothing to say, out of ideas. His GM knew how to say only one thing "we will bring, KNOW HOW", LOL. Really, the company was very abstract and bleak, they didn't even knew how to criticize Balciunas except that he is making decisions alone which is not true essentially.
That's not how you win elections. You have to work all year or at least half a year before elections. You have to communicated mote particularly about what you going to do. You have to meet every single voters and hear him out and communicate. This time Javtokas did better and it shows that he could win it if was really working on it, but he didn't.
Anyway, I don't believe in miracles. So Kazlauskas would be vice president and Jasikevicius would provide few lectures in summer for our young coaches and we would suddenly be OK? No. We will be OK when we will have FREAKIN' TALENT on the court. That is all. And you can't build, create, knead talent. Have fucking super duper mix of USA/Spanish school par axellence and you still won't make a fucking Rooney out of Grigonis. You simply won't. You either have freakin' talent or not. Siskauskas learned how to ball in the streets, Kleiza also. They simply had that talent. Yes, we should make good decisions, but that is not what makes the difference. People are seriously talking that as long as this or that is not done we won't get results. Dude, Balciunas locked Buzelis into the NT. With this move alone he did LTU basketball potentially more than whole previous Spokas federation did in all this 2013-2021 stretch. Lithuanian basketball was build by Marciulionis and Sabonis. That is it. Nothing else built it. Those names did it. I watched Rooney balling and I realized I see something special. Ever since I'm addict of basketball. Tons of guys who became stars of LTU basketball went through this process. It wasn't Pavilionis, Balciunas, Spokas or anyone else with their great decisions who created LTU basketball. It was those legends, prodigies that created and boosted the life of LTU basketball for decades and later such individuals as Jasikevicius, Siskauskas, Kleiza took the torch and carried further. That is fucking it. Realize and stop the nonsense. Our basketball can be saved only by the same breed individuals, electric mind blowing world class players.
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Grigonis and Valanciunas leading scorers from 2023 and 2024 summers is not happy.
Domantas Sabonis basically talks only with A.Sabonis and Valanciunas from lithuanian basketball people. Others according to Kuzminskas cant get to him
We will be lucky having 1 of big 3 ltu players in 2025 thats my prediction.
I lost all my mood when Thief once again won because he put his own people in voting and give ridiculous promises especially about women basketball.
Kurtinaitis next coach is basically done deal. Do i trust him as coach in 2025? no. In 2010 yes
in last 15 years basketball have changed 180 degrees what was working in 2010 isnt working in 2024.
We have zero elite perimeter player
Main leaders dont have good relationship with federation head
Saras elite coach have zero communication with federation
Eurolegue main head dont want no business with federation head.
Our head coach is coaching in Azerbaijan...
NT havent won a 1/4 playoofs game for decade
Worst times ever in lithuania basketball talking about results and atmosphere when all basketball giants is pushed away and in charge are organisators that will again organize basketball exhibition series in summers with Pakistan,Singpore,Korea types
Domantas Sabonis basically talks only with A.Sabonis and Valanciunas from lithuanian basketball people. Others according to Kuzminskas cant get to him
We will be lucky having 1 of big 3 ltu players in 2025 thats my prediction.
I lost all my mood when Thief once again won because he put his own people in voting and give ridiculous promises especially about women basketball.
Kurtinaitis next coach is basically done deal. Do i trust him as coach in 2025? no. In 2010 yes
in last 15 years basketball have changed 180 degrees what was working in 2010 isnt working in 2024.
We have zero elite perimeter player
Main leaders dont have good relationship with federation head
Saras elite coach have zero communication with federation
Eurolegue main head dont want no business with federation head.
Our head coach is coaching in Azerbaijan...
NT havent won a 1/4 playoofs game for decade
Worst times ever in lithuania basketball talking about results and atmosphere when all basketball giants is pushed away and in charge are organisators that will again organize basketball exhibition series in summers with Pakistan,Singpore,Korea types
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yes because meeting some basketball school's, that no one knows about, manager would make javtokas a better candidate. this whole voting system is flawed and makes no sense, some random irrelevent people should not get to decided lithuanian basketball future. and speaking about talent balciunas was a part of this great gedvilas team which reversed the only good change lkf did in the past decade when it comes to youth development. this guy is clueless and the situation wont get any better for at least another 5 years
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Yeah, our big fucking three with Grigonis taking most shots as EL scrub I mean, I grew up watching prime Marciulionis spitting on Jordan's and Pippen's face. Now I read how soft ass Grigonis is our big fucking three Yeah, big fucking three guy for another choke. Our basketball is about when we get rid of such big fucking three, not about how to get them back for another miserable performance.
I mean, I grew up watching prime Marciulionis spitting on Jordan's and Pippen's face. Now I read how soft ass Grigonis is our big fucking three Yeah, big fucking three guy for another choke. Our basketball is about when we get rid of such big fucking three, not about how to get them back for another miserable performance.
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And have no illusions, Javtokas was talking with Kurtinaitis as well and he was about to take the job either way Let's just see how it will work out. I'm sceptical, I think one way or another Kurtinaitis will blew it, but I can nothing to do just watch how he'll do. Maybe he will have balls to do what it has to be done. BEST FUCKING PLAYERS (no matter they fucking age) has to be balling as the main protagonists. Period. Be it 35yo JV, or 21yo Buzelis.
Let's just see how it will work out. I'm sceptical, I think one way or another Kurtinaitis will blew it, but I can nothing to do just watch how he'll do. Maybe he will have balls to do what it has to be done. BEST FUCKING PLAYERS (no matter they fucking age) has to be balling as the main protagonists. Period. Be it 35yo JV, or 21yo Buzelis.
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dinosour expert i dont care who u watched ,im talking facts who was best player in this era
Leading scorers
2022 Valanciunas,Grigonis,Sabonis
2023 Valanciunas,Jokubaitis,Brazdeikis
2024 Grigonis,Sabonis
yes Sabonis,Valanciunas,Grigonis was best 3 lithuanian players in 2020-2024 era so im callng them big 3 and i dont care you agree or not
Leading scorers
2022 Valanciunas,Grigonis,Sabonis
2023 Valanciunas,Jokubaitis,Brazdeikis
2024 Grigonis,Sabonis
yes Sabonis,Valanciunas,Grigonis was best 3 lithuanian players in 2020-2024 era so im callng them big 3 and i dont care you agree or not
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its a question if grigonis is even going to play in the next national team tournament. as long as jv is playing he will most likely always be the top scorer because he is simply too physical for 95% of other natonial teams to handle. i think there are 4 realistic candidates that could be the 2nd and 3rd scoring options at least for now: brazdeikis, sirvydis, jokubaitis, grigonis. and then if buzelis and jakucionis are who we think they can be then its obiously going to be them in 4-5 years. when it comes to sabonis im at an all time low with him. its clear he's not the same player with fiba rules, it limits his post game and playmaking, his 2 main strenghts. if he hasnt figured out how to effective with fiba rules in a decade i have no hope he will now.
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Grigonis has been trash in all key games, why to even care about him? I care the least what he will do. We've been trash enough now I'll say. For 8 years. We are going no-where with such level leaders. We won't win instantly with new leaders either at least next summer, but riding with such leaders as Grigonis is completely meaningless, chalk up another loss. God forbid anytime ever to witness such bottom. My projection is that we will never be at such lows ever when Grigonis' level player is out No.1 option. Holly cow...From Rooney, top 3 Euro SG ever, to freakin Grigonis. You probably too young and didn't even see him play live. It's like comparing Birtutis to Shaq.
We have plenty of talent. Jokubaitis looks well with Maccabi. Sirvydis looks well. Brazdeikis looks pretty well. Iggy and Jokubaitis already did more in knock out stage than Grigonis in all his career. But the key is to inject true star power into NT. Without that we won't be true powerhouse again.
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Next head coach lost champion league qualification first stage game to Sweden club
It will be nightmare 2025-2028 Balciunas doing his stealing money show creating all those exhibition series vs some asian teams in summers
and 65old grandpa head coach who clearly is outdated and is disliked by multiple NT players because of his outdated training process.
Even veteran looking Kazlauskas was 59 in 2013 and came to NT from Cska 2012 eurolegue final season and coaching Greece NT to 2009 bronze (their last medal btw)
Kurtinaitis will be 65 in 2025 and comes to NT from Wolfs club fiasco and azerbajain club fiasco
It will be nightmare 2025-2028 Balciunas doing his stealing money show creating all those exhibition series vs some asian teams in summers
and 65old grandpa head coach who clearly is outdated and is disliked by multiple NT players because of his outdated training process.
Even veteran looking Kazlauskas was 59 in 2013 and came to NT from Cska 2012 eurolegue final season and coaching Greece NT to 2009 bronze (their last medal btw)
Kurtinaitis will be 65 in 2025 and comes to NT from Wolfs club fiasco and azerbajain club fiasco
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It reminds much more Russia that West. Generally all bb community including big names support Javtokas, but Balciunas won because he created loyal LKF units. Recently, under the pretext of fighting against betting, he removed the legitimately elected president of the NKL and forcibly replaced him with his own candidate.
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You keep heaping scorn on Marius Grigonis because he wasn't good enough to carry the team to victory all by himself in a game where the team as a whole spun its wheels against Puerto Rico's modified zone defence. Yet you then sneak in the comment that "Sirvydis looks well" thus cavalierly glossing over the detail that an NKL player selected at random probably would have contributed more to the team this past summer than did Deividas Sirvydis. Sirvydis now needs an all-star caliber season to merit even an invitation to the Team Lietuva camp next summer.
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