2025 Lithuanian NT

[Toruko2]

I wouldnt rank Slovenia that high. Greece with Giannis should be stronger than LTU but still beatable. Latvia is always strong. Would rate them stronger than LTU too. Spain does not afraid me too much but Spain is always Spain. France, Serbia should be considered two teams that need to be taken down. Spain and Germany strong but beatable too.

 

[Straight forward2]

I wouldnt rank Slovenia that high. Greece with Giannis should be stronger than LTU but still beatable. Latvia is always strong. Would rate them stronger than LTU too. Spain does not afraid me too much but Spain is always Spain. France, Serbia should be considered two teams that need to be taken down. Spain and Germany strong but beatable too.

Germany is not getting any weaker at the moment while Shroder still at the top and Franz is getting better. So France, Serbia, Germany are obvious top dogs today and Spain still kinda attaches to this top group, but more questionable than they used to be.

 

[Toruko2]

Germany is not getting any weaker at the moment while Shroder still at the top and Franz is getting better. So France, Serbia, Germany are obvious top dogs today and Spain still kinda attaches to this top group, but more questionable than they used to be.

Germany is strong but not as strong as Serbia or France but if lets say Jokic skips EB 25 then we would have to talk about it.

 

[Shawshank2]

That 2017 Greece was elite? Just compare Greece 2015 A roster and Greece 2017 B roster

Greece finished tournament 2017 2-4 record... Beat ltu and one trash team and lost other 4 games in that tournament .

Dude you don't know history as always that's shouting alot


Greece ended up in group 4th and beat nr 1seed Lithuania in 1/8 it was real upset and Greece coach made fun of our coaching staff after game

If Sved and his 25 shot attempts managed to beat them I'm sorry that Greece 2017 was very meh


I don't see big difference in ltu roster strengths in 2 olympic cycle and I don't see 2025 having better team either

But facts don't lie only once top 8 in 6 FIBA tournaments


I repeat it's real deal to make top 8 in 2020s FIBA

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For Baku coach in my eyes mission will be very very chalenging
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That 2017 Greece was elite? Just compare Greece 2015 A roster and Greece 2017 B roster

Greece finished tournament 2017 2-4 record... Beat ltu and one trash team and lost other 4 games in that tournament .

Dude you don't know history as always that's shouting alot


Greece ended up in group 4th and beat nr 1seed Lithuania in 1/8 it was real upset and Greece coach made fun of our coaching staff after game

If Sved and his 25 shot attempts managed to beat them I'm sorry that Greece 2017 was very meh


I don't see big difference in ltu roster strengths in 2 olympic cycle and I don't see 2025 having better team either

But facts don't lie only once top 8 in 6 FIBA tournaments


I repeat it's real deal to make top 8 in 2020s FIBA

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For Baku coach in my eyes mission will be very very chalenging
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Dude, you literally compared 2017 Greece with 2023 You right about 2015 being better than 2017, but that's not what we were talking about, LOL

No, I didn't say it will be easy. I said it's objectively reachable goal and I think there's a lot of chances to be in 4finals.

 

[Shawshank2]

Im saying that 2017 Greece roster was their B team and sucked in 2017 tournament (thats why compare them 2023 B team) we lost to worse team and you picturing like 2017 Greece was elite... nonsense

We got fantastic draw in 2017,didnt need to play neither gold Slovenia,neither silver Serbia,neither bronze Spain,neither Latvia was almost didnt eliminated gold medal winners and played very well.

Dont need to picture of poor Adomaitis got Greece b roster as opponnets and lost by 15pts to 4th best other groups team

3 worst ltu playoofs defeats 2011-2024

1.2011 Macedonia
2. 2024 Puerturico
3. 2017 Greece


Im saying for Kurtinaitis it will very very difficult to do. because he simply worse coach that Adomaitis and Maksvytis and they managed to make top 8 once in 6 fiba tournaments.

Making top 8 is elite in 2020s fiba

and predicting that LTu will make all 3 times top 8 in 2025-2028 is just very biased fans nonsense that doesnt follow strenght of recent fiba 2020s tournaments overall.... not seeing what pathetic results is shown by new head coach

 

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1.2011 Macedonia
2. 2024 Puerturico
3. 2017 Greece


Im saying for Kurtinaitis it will very very difficult to do. because he simply worse coach that Adomaitis and Maksvytis and they managed to make top 8 once in 6 fiba tournaments.

Making top 8 is elite in 2020s fiba

I don't see essential differences between Kazys and Kurtinaitis. Both can't control NT in detail, both has no elite sense for coaching. I would even be sure Kurtaitis will be better with players selection.

Only because FIBA level increased...other way we have way more players who can score in double digits that we had in 2017 f.e. or even 2019. Still lack of world class perimeter players, but our team will be deeper and more talented. It's just that increased level of FIBA kinda reduces all that and it won't be felt much. We need to develop KJ and Buzelis as soon as possible.

How do you call Kazys basketball in Puerto Rico if not helpless chaos? Sabonis was running frustrated all tournament long and Jokubaitis played off ball...

 

[Shawshank2]

Pacesas asked about Rubstavicius and NT in window games : "as matau jis daro pazanga,bet rinktineje turi zaist geriausi,jaunystes kreditas man nelabai veikia, jaunimas turi zaist jaunimo rinktinej"

And some folks imagine these new coaches from the past basketball will go with young team. Fiba window veteran roster is first indication how they see things.


Those washed up coaches will built team in to ale win in 2025 atleast in their minds ,not building for 2028. Because all their talks is to win now ,right away,best should play.

I dont hear songs from pacesas we need to start from the scratch,rebuilt with young players group and be patience for few years.

 

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There's 2 ways - to push it and to reach the wanted level sooner or to fart around as we had been doing for 5 years at least and stay in the farted room longer...Either way KJ and Buzelis prevailing, we can just help them or not...Knowing out stinky BB culture we won't most likely and they will come later than they could if we had elite coaches.

 

[Shawshank2]

That nba kid who average 2 pts per game after first 10 nba games is prevailing ?

Right now Buzelis looks like total gamble and just raw project far from being sure deal.


What elite coaching are you still dreaming? our head coach is baku coach that loses every single game in 3rd europes league and other coach is podcaster

Second elite option is far as possible from NT with Balciunas winning elections.


Yes most likely they will come to men NT like basketball history teaching us after turning 23 old age and having real men body and some experience in their heads


Thats why im saying Buzelis and Jakucionis is not 2025-2028 cycle players. Even if they make debut in 2027-2028 but just as role players,not some game changers.


Game changing players if NT will achieve anything must come 1996-2002 born players in 2025-2028

 

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That nba kid who average 2 pts per game after first 10 nba games is prevailing ?

Right now Buzelis looks like total gamble and just raw project far from being sure deal.


What elite coaching are you still dreaming? our head coach is baku coach that loses every single game in 3rd europes league and other coach is podcaster

Second elite option is far as possible from NT with Balciunas winning elections.


Yes most likely they will come to men NT like basketball history teaching us after turning 23 old age and having real men body and some experience in their heads


Thats why im saying Buzelis and Jakucionis is not 2025-2028 cycle players. Even if they make debut in 2027-2028 but just as role players,not some game changers.


Game changing players if NT will achieve anything must come 1996-2002 born players in 2025-2028

I meant Buzelis development won't be affected by the "minds" of Pacesas That's the best news. As a project he has everything to succeed, it's only a matter of time.

I don't dream, I simply say if we had elite coaches - we had much more fluent and spot on transition of talent to the NT. Now situation is clear. Jasikevicius is not coaching and there is zero other elite coaches.

Only time will tell how fast and how much these 2 will be ready. Buzelis will need time, but don't forget he'll be 24yo in Olympics. We'll have to wait and see. I can only say that I never seen LTU 18yo guard as Jakucionis. No-one facilitated and run the game so dynamically and dominantly. I can see Jakucionis getting real role in the NBA next season already. He's that good, dynamic and manipulative with the ball, hands down. My gut feeling and long term vision positions 22yo KJ as very very capable PRO already. Not complete game changer on FIBA court yet maybe, but already top notch talent with bursting aggression.

This is exactly the perspective now the way KJ looks on the court, it's not even about his numbers, he just runs the show entirely:

Jakucionis has good size at 6-foot-5 and 200 pounds, drawing fouls while orchestrating the Illini offense like a maestro. Enjoy him while you can—he’ll be terrorizing NBA defenses in a year.

https://www.thechampaignroom.com/20...-hoops-collegehoops-marchmadness-ivisic-riley

 

[Toruko2]

That nba kid who average 2 pts per game after first 10 nba games is prevailing ?

Right now Buzelis looks like total gamble and just raw project far from being sure deal.


What elite coaching are you still dreaming? our head coach is baku coach that loses every single game in 3rd europes league and other coach is podcaster

Second elite option is far as possible from NT with Balciunas winning elections.


Yes most likely they will come to men NT like basketball history teaching us after turning 23 old age and having real men body and some experience in their heads


Thats why im saying Buzelis and Jakucionis is not 2025-2028 cycle players. Even if they make debut in 2027-2028 but just as role players,not some game changers.


Game changing players if NT will achieve anything must come 1996-2002 born players in 2025-2028

Its correct that SF is relying too much on too many young guys but I would not rule out the possibility of one guy taking over in early stage. It wont be Buzelis since it tells a lot that he cant minutes with the Bulls. I expected way more to be honest. Kasparas Jakucionis has his weaknesses since he has to become far more efficient but he is a superb play maker and rebounder for his level. If you had watched the PAO game yesterday Jokubaitis was horrible in his last two minutes. He does not have what needs to be a game finisher.

 

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Its correct that SF is relying too much on too many young guys but I would not rule out the possibility of one guy taking over in early stage. It wont be Buzelis since it tells a lot that he cant minutes with the Bulls. I expected way more to be honest. Kasparas Jakucionis has his weaknesses since he has to become far more efficient but he is a superb play maker and rebounder for his level. If you had watched the PAO game yesterday Jokubaitis was horrible in his last two minutes. He does not have what needs to be a game finisher.

Toruko, you're relying on old news. There's nothing inefficient about KJ LOL At least not after 2 transcendent games. Some-one posted on twitter than KJ may be the guy of "analytics" so far in the NCAA (entire NCAA). He is averaging 11,5ppg with overall 7 shots in 2 games But he got to the FT line 16 times. Dude's is a beast and constantly progressing. I just hope his progression line won't brake cause now it's just surreal. Each month he's different monster. I wouldn't exclude possibility that at the end of NCAA season NBA world will have KJ as locked top 3 pick. There's realistic chance for it if his scoring game will transcend too as amazing as his facilitation does now.

 

[Shawshank2]

Its correct that SF is relying too much on too many young guys but I would not rule out the possibility of one guy taking over in early stage. It wont be Buzelis since it tells a lot that he cant minutes with the Bulls. I expected way more to be honest. Kasparas Jakucionis has his weaknesses since he has to become far more efficient but he is a superb play maker and rebounder for his level. If you had watched the PAO game yesterday Jokubaitis was horrible in his last two minutes. He does not have what needs to be a game finisher.

One youngsters yes... usually there is one youngster per olympic cycle in LTU NT that is helping NT at 21-22 age as top 9 rotation player,but not in role as some kind leader or anything close to that.

But 95% of main top 9 players is 23+ and older thats how it goes in top 10 NT level roster of small population country.


Can it be some Jakucionis top 9 rotation player? maybe but main winning production must come from men born in 1996-2002 to win games in 2025-2028.

 

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Pacesas asked about Rubstavicius and NT in window games : "as matau jis daro pazanga,bet rinktineje turi zaist geriausi,jaunystes kreditas man nelabai veikia, jaunimas turi zaist jaunimo rinktinej"

I knew you were cherry picking and just being confirmation bias as usually I watched the video and Pacesas also said - "turi buti ryskiai geresnis, ar but bent tam paciam lygy, kad isstumt vyresni, kuris yra uzsitarnaves, paaukojes ne viena vasara (...) toks bent mano poziuris, nezinau, koks Rimo".

So you just took one part out of the context. I believe even Pacesas (or Kurtinaitis) aren't that blind not to sense world class material when it will be all obvious even for their level BB mind. Well, at least I hope.

 

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One youngsters yes... usually there is one youngster per olympic cycle in LTU NT that is helping NT at 21-22 age as top 9 rotation player,but not in role as some kind leader or anything close to that.

But 95% of main top 9 players is 23+ and older thats how it goes in top 10 NT level roster of small population country.


Can it be some Jakucionis top 9 rotation player? maybe but main winning production must come from men born in 1996-2002 to win games in 2025-2028.

Dude, you're reaching Hepcat level. You are barely stand as respectable poster with that shit, LOL. Watch a player, don't preach your schemes here.

 

[Shawshank2]

dinosour expert

I dont care that you dislike it. Thats is reality what happens in most olympic cycles according to our basketball history. Every cycle like clock one real tallent helps men NT and others needs time to grow up and mature to help top 10 level NT.


Your blind hope of horoscope predictions is just drinking bar talks and now seeing how Buzelis from nr 1 picks 3 years ago ...now is 2pts per game raw project with unclear nba future.Thats why nobody knows what will be from those talented kids when they will start playing high level men players.


According to your 2020 predictions here Sirvydis,Jokubaitis,Brazdeikis,Sedekerskis,Sabonis ,Tubelis should have been killing in 2024 olympics. Didnt they do that? no,they failed to qualife to olympics...


Thats why im laughing at 2024 your horoscope predictions how 22 and 24 old youngsters ale gonna be great in 2028 olympic summers playing top 10 world players. aha sure

 

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According to your 2020 predictions here Sirvydis,Jokubaitis,Brazdeikis,Sedekerskis,Sabonis ,Tubelis should have been killing in 2024 olympics. Didnt they do that? no,they failed to qualife to olympics...

22yo Jokubaitis was the best player of NT in WC. He also was the best player this summer in the final of qualification, so. Brazdeikis almost carried us to stacked EB 4finals and was most clutch player. All players who you mention playing well, except maybe Sirvydis who really struggled this summer. So it's not about age.

KJ and Buzelis are bigger prospect than these you mention (except Sabonis, but Sabonis is center and that's other story). And, again, why you pretend to know anything about KJ if you don't follow him? To me it's funny how you don't even know the player, but still trying to squeeze him into your schemes. It's a lunatic territory, dude. Did Doncic, Wemby, or OK let's take it more adequate example as Schroder sucked balls in FIBA as 22yo? No, they were really good. It wouldn't be a first time when world class player is good being 21-22yo. Hell, even take our Karnisovas, who wasn't world class player, he was dropping 12ppg in Olympics as 21yo. It's about the TALENT. Get to know with players we talk about. Don't act like lunatic. Respect posters here or you can get the fuck off with your bullshit, alright?

 

[Shawshank2]

I repeat you were singing in 2020 here how Jokubaitis,Sirvydis,Brazdeikis,Sabonis,Tubelis,Sed ekerskis will put lithuania Nt on other level compared to 2017-2021.


All of them sucked in 2024 olympic summer and couldnt even beat weakest olympic team of 2024 and wasnt even close to be top 8 Nt in loaded 2024 summer.


Now you are singing same song how other 2 talented kids will change everything in their very early inexperience players ages.... playing versus top 10 worlds player in 2028 olympics

aha sure good fairy tale horosocope prediction well done )



And now better make seriuos plan from born 1996-2002 experience proffesionals how to make olympics in 2028.

Inexperience youngsters in 2028 olympic battles will help our men NT as much as your praised Sirvydis or Tubelis did in 2024.

 

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Stop squeezing everything into your silly schemes Look what's happening in BB instead. Watch players. We need world class pieces. Jokubaitis development has been disappointing, at some point he looked like he can reach even NBA. I'm not saying optimism was even remotely nearly as equal as about current KJ, but still. FIBA requires top notch pieces, world class players. Now you, as a naive boy still preaching your own agenda how you will search game changers in 1996-2002 (or whatever age). Meaning you as a naive as always and still think it's about the age Look for world class players and not for players in any fucking certain age, Jesus If you can't see that there's absolutely zero world class players and game changing material among 1996-2002, you can't see anything in BB None will be game changer in today's FIBA. Yous till think age will grow you a players, LOL. Just like your fucking prime 1992 gen gave you medals that you were preaching here everyday for 5 fucking years. Age won't give you a single fuck, dig it? You either have wolrd class talents or you don't. Watch basketball you're naive f...

If none of KJ/Buzelis won't turn into world class material PROs we're totally fucked, OK? That is as simple as that. Forget your ages and your stupid generations.