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2025 Lithuanian NT

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This first summer after olympics yes its smart to bring more younger players

But it doesnt mean to have 90% of players u-26 like your dream list. Thats unrelistic no coach will built bring team like that.

Its should be somewhere 50/50 balance in first summer after olympic between with u-25 and over 28 old age.

That NT could compete in 2025 and also bring young blood and start preparing them for next olympics.


Buzelis and Jakucionis is not for 2025 . Jakucionis should play u-20,if he failed to qualife to u-19.


Kurtinaitis have no history playing young rosters. He will take more than one veteran ale Valanciunas im sure. Including Rokas Giedraitis and i dont remember his interviews what other players he liked also.


Every coach have his favourites and they will choose them.

Kurtinaitis in interviews repeating NT goal should semifinal and have hard time seeing how he gonna take bunch of u-25 young player to achieve that.


We have to understand in what situation ltu basketball is right now... and now every single Nt coach is asked when NT will win again ?

When you coaching in such atmosphere coach will feel pressure to win as fast as possible
 
Unlikely with LITHUANIAN COACH, we have to be precise :) Look who Trinch is playing, 24yo Giedaitis playing the most. Same age Sirvydis is among leaders. And so on.

I really doubt Jakucionis will ever again suit with Youth NT, that's it. He's too good. He will ball for Illini and should be one of the leaders if not TRUE LEADER instantly. If he will be lottery it will be hard to invite him to NT let alone even considering U20. What I hear is that he's really good, Ilini head coach saying he has been the best offensively, meaning most likely we'll see him in NBA.

Buzelis is surely for 2025 :) What do you even mean? Dude will be having legitimate 20 minutes and some big games. I don't see many of that kind, LOL :) He might be the most impactful defensive player in the country with his size and by far the best athlete in the country :) Matas should be taken even if he walks one leg.

But, yeah, Kurtis most likely will mix it. Unfortunately our coaches are predictable and have no guts to do the right thing. There's no way we are winning anything with mediocres. The roster that I put it is not some kind of joke. The team should realistically be given to Jokubaitis, Sirydis, Brazdeikis, D. Giedraitis, Sedekerskis, Sabonis. JV, Sedekerskis and Sabonis (all 27 and plus) are enough, IMO, of vets. Younger, more talented roster is need, but that's just me. Again, I like Radzevicius, but I would think more about the future.
 
What Buzelis shooting shown in G league and what bad shooting he is showing exibition nba games i think for him is better to start in 2027 fiba.

2025 he is not ready for way smarter and more physical fiba game .When all his life just played in american style where everything 1 vs 1 and he played in loosing teams .

By 2027 he already will be real nba player with real experience and mature strong nba body.


Jakucionis is just a kid with more less with zero experience playing men players. Imagine that he will help our men NT in 2025. is just fantasy :)




Not just lithuanian coaches every single fiba coach does that mix of young and older players.

If you are comming to fiba tournament to compete ...not just look around and come home after group.
 
Buzelis looks good. He's already different compared to G League, more focused, moves the ball well, very active at both ends. In FIBA he wouldn't suffer shooting long distance three, he doesn't have very long range and closer three would be beneficial for him. But the point is no-one would ask leader's impact from him, he can simply be effective role player and he will be more than ready for this as 21yo almost next summer (today turned 20). Buzelis shouldn't be shooting threes too much, instead he can be better and more on attacking mode Sedekerskis version, meaning he gets put backs, transition dunks, cheap shots and he can attack close outs here and there. If he will try FIBA game in 2025, he will be much more ready mentally for big role in 2027. That's how it works, that's important to taste.

Regarding KJ, there's no necessity to force him to play if he's drafted high, his team would be against it most likely anyway, but you wrong if you think he can't play :D Dude would be huge in LKL :) He would make Lukas look funny. He has big size, his game reading abilities is anmatched, he can get to the basket, shoot, everything. In Neptunas he would be putting something like 14ppg and 8assis if you ask me, if not more. And the key is he always progresses, he always make huge spurts in one year. I would be more than eager to give him 8-15mpg off the bench in 2025.

Again, as always you are slow to realize the real level of these guys. Watch Buzelis tapes, he's standing out even now with his size and physical strides. I would see 15-20mpg easily and he would be impactful role player in 2025.
 
I dont watch low level basketball.

When player will show real things in nba or euroleague. I will predict they can help men NT right away.

Until they have no history balling on that level.... Im sorry but yes i dont believe such player will help Nt in his first summer.



Fiba 2020s is just to good its not 1990s or 2000 anymore.Nba all stars calibre some of them have real struggles to find his game in 2020s fiba comming first summer and adjuts to it from nba.

What nba rookie with no experience of european basketball will do? nothing seriuos,maybe be role player.


Thats why im saying i dont see Buzelis in 2025 doing some real things. Why to bother nba rookie who needs to work on his game . just come for him to play 12-15min role in fiba with no knowledge about fiba and all those tactics americans are not used.


I rather Buzelis him comming in 2027. Nba players usually big jump happens in 3rd nba season. Buzelis in 2027 will be after 3 seasons in nba.Then we are talking about real nba player both in brain and body.


You always are wrongly imagine first fiba tournament is not big deal for player that never have been there.

When history says its very tough for most fiba rookie.They get diffrent physicality,strange defences and lose their heads.
 
Shawshank said:
You always are wrongly imagine first fiba tournament is not big deal for player that never have been there.

When history says its very tough for most fiba rookie.They get diffrent physicality,strange defences and lose their heads.
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But that's why it's better to give Buzelis a shot in 2025 already, to experience this. He would have much better understanding about FIBA game and it would spurt his development, understanding what it takes be successful in FIBA too.

The same KJ if he would play whatever role, be 5mpg, or even not playing at all in some, it would be still great from him and NT long term, IMO.

The way I see it, Buzelis will be able to bring nice things as role player and in some departments (transition, some help defense) he might be even the best, so I don't see any point why to exclude him if he's ready to come. If he will decide to work on his game individually, no-one will get crazy too.

My point is simple, bring best talent close NT. The sooner the better. Our situation is different than some Serbia's or France, the teams that got stacked teams and they don't necessary need to bring every young NBA talent. But even them brought 19-20yo Coulibaly and he had a decent game in the final playing 21 minutes. Len alone 20yo Wemby off course. We are not in position to ignore our NBA material. If we had 2003 team now, sure, I would say let's just ride with those prime EL stars, but even in that case there would be a place for KJ instead of Gustas and Buzelis instead of Salenga.
 
If Buzelis will come in 2025 he will be taken to NT for sure ,but as future player he wont be some super duper like you imagine in first summer.

KJ have no chance making NT 2025 even your Marciulionis or Normantas have way bigger chances in 2025.


You can take such upside tourist that is not ready to play vs best men physicality yet max 1-2 players for the future like that.

But you are naming like 50% roster of such upside players and thats why its nonsense roster contruction for 2025


Yes after olympic roster should be younger,but with brain and logic not just let go 5-6 euroleague players and change them with student age players from lower levels.


Change older euroleague players Ulanovas,Lekavicius,Grigonis types with younger euroleague players like Sirvydis,D.Giedraitis,Brazdeikis yes thats normal rebuilding

They can be less established but they are playing in same levels.


But change euroleague proffesional with cluesless ncaa students or lkl from 3-10th level team players that makes team just clearly weaker and nothing else.


France dont play like 5-6 nba youngsters of lotery nba draftees every summer. They bring 1-2 younger and others is proven proffesionals.

They didnt bring nr 1 or nr 2 or nr 7 picks in 2024 draft they have or didnt bring 2025 top 5 pick Traore. Because they are too raw to help fighting nba opponnets..in 2020 fiba levels
 
Buz will be decent, no super-duper, read what's written.

Marciulionis nearly a lock, IMO, but KJ will be running much better team than Gaels. Illini one of the favorites of NCAA.

NCAA studs as Kerr Kriisa come and play well in FIBA. They can easily play in EL.

I only would put 25% of young players, KJ, Buzelis, Murauskas. But 2 of them are lottery guys, generational talents, not some random good prospects. All others will be 23 and more. So not young players anymore.

NBA is higher level than EL. Iggy was unplayable in NBA, but came and became one of the keys of NT instantly and later became slightly above average EL player. That's from unplayable dude from NBA. So all this talk "when you will play big in EL" you can play in NT is worth nothing. The same Sirvydis came from no-where, G League and Euocup and now instantly balling in EL. Let alone the fact that KJ as 16-17 has something like 15pts in 3minutes in ACB/EL. Talent as Buzelis can be impact the game very early. It all come down to level and talent. Not age and experience. You can experience your Normantas as long as you like :D Average scrub is an average scrub.
 
Buzelis nr 11 pick from 2024 we can compare to like Nr 7 pick from 2023 Coulibaly .His stats was in 2024 2,4pts in 11min average ...

Coulibaly you could see is fantastic athlete, he has nice size and skills but on the floor looked tottally clueless what is needed to be done in order to win vs elite Nts in rough fiba game.

Buzelis good role will be if will get 15minutes as raw nba rookie in first fiba summer.



I already told you look at top 10 NT and who they play...not bottom NTs who is happy to be there and go home after group like Estonia

Im talking overall what is happening in 8 of 10 times with young fiba rookies.

You are searching for some kind rare 1-2 examples ignoring what happening with 8 cases from 10


Agaian usisng same old examples or Brazdeikis and Krissa.

And what happend with Sirvydis in fiba first 2 tournaments? or Grigonis in first tournaments? Did LKL MVP Tubelis shined in 2024 first fiba tournament? Did after nba rookie season nr 7 pick Coulibaly shined in first fiba tournament?


No they barely could help with anything.For every one good example there 10 bad examples of young fiba rookies.


Have 50% of team of inexperience fiba players like that such NT will be in real fight for just getting out of the group in eurobasket.
 
Oh, no, Coulibaly and Matas are 2 different players, LOL. Coulibaly is more of a pace player, while Matas has legit on ball presence, can change paces, can do almost everything on the court.

You miss the point that we won't win with your vets. It's not happening OK :) Impossible, that's it. Forget it. Your trashy vets had enough of chances and they fell to LTU basketball history as trash. The page is turned. It's not about to win it all in 2025, it's about to make a step forward not to stink as shit. You follow where I'm getting to?

So I don't care a slightest fuck who will show up from vets, they are TRASH, they have nothing to offer in today's fiba game. Average, gutless, toothless, talentless bunch of mediocrities. That's it, OK? This has to be said very open - all these Grigonises, Lekaviciuses, R. Giedraitises, Ulanovases are mediocre TRASH, they are even much worse than we had previously with guys like prime Kalnietis, Seibutis, Pocius, Maciulis, Kuzminskas, Jankunas, OK? And with improved FIBA competitiveness that gutless gen got really exposed.

So when you rant about top 10 teams I can only laugh, not a single freakin' top 10 NT goes on mediocre scrubs as we do :D Show me top 10 NT which gives the team to Girgonis' level player, LOL. It's a fucking joke, as Adomaitis would say.

So rant as much as you want, bringing back vets means we are in the same deep shit. Moving from this shit means we are at least building something for a change.

What's the point of bringing vets? They won't win you a shit, OK? Realize that and live with this. Period.
 
I dont compare them as players. Im saying how nr 7 pick after first nba season with 8 pts averaged looked in his first fiba tournament.

Its really tough for most fiba rookies in first summer. Thats what u simply dont get when building your fantasy youngster team :)


I dont say we gonna win same 2024 team veterans.Clearly we wont because fiba 2020s level is very good..


But it doesnt mean we have blow out entire team and select players from weaker levels now :)


in 2025 Nt players should be builted who will play in 2028 Olympics. Mix of vets who still should be avalaible in 2028 and integrating younger players but from high levels like euroleague and nba.

Be solid competitive NT thats all im asking.

Medal winning is not comming back any time soon how fiba other Nts strenght looks right now
 
Shawshank said:
I dont compare them as players. Im saying how nr 7 pick after first nba season with 8 pts averaged looked in his first fiba tournament.

Its really tough for most fiba rookies in first summer. Thats what u simply dont get when building your fantasy youngster team :)


I dont say we gonna win same 2024 team veterans.Clearly we wont because fiba level is very good..


But it doesnt mean we have blow out entire team and select players from weaker levels now :)


in 2025 Nt players should be builted who will play in 2028 Olympics. Mix of vets you still should be avalaible in 2028 and integrating younger players but from high levels like euroleague and nba.

Be solid competitive NT thats all im asking.

Medal winning is not comming back any time soon how fiba other Nts strenght looks right now
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Your thinking is so false in various ways.

FOA, it's good that it's tough for rookies. That's what I want. If Matas and ideally KJ would debut in 2025 it would be MASSIVE thing for them looking at 2027. That's the key. Let them struggle, let them go through this, we suck balls deep anyway, so let's at least give these future game changer a slack. Get it?

Yea, we not gonna to win, so what's the point? Why not to even take NKL players if we ain't winning? The result will be the same :) Get it? I mean we were that bad that there's no point to go the same path at all.

So players as Grigonis, Ulanovas are going to play in 2028 according to you? Do you realize that Marciulionis will be 26yo in 2028 and Sirvydis, Jokubaitis 28yo? I will tell you more clearly - KJ and Marciulionis ARE ALREADY BETTER than Lekavicius. Flat out. This very moment these 2 are better point guards, better player than Lekavicius. You simply have no clue about the levels. It's bot bringing lower level players, it's bringing HIGHER level players.

So medal winning is not coming, we do know that, we tested that with current players, current vets, but you still insist on riding them? Why? Explain me this. What's the point?
 
Rookies for high levels that already reached good level in their proffesional career. Not rookies from low levels !

If player 9 months of club season plays in lower levels no coach will make miracles in 1 month when they will need to play vs euroleague and nba players


I understand Buzelis wont play every summer. So if he cant get him every summer.Its way better for him and our NT to come in 2027 not 2025.

But yes if Buzelis want he can play in 2025 and get Coulibaly type lessons from best fiba men. But not witrh price that he wont play in 2027.


Jakucionis is not even close of playing in high men proffesionals .For him U-20 or LTU student team that goes to his todays level.


1992-1994 most of them will be too old for 2028. But Radzevicius age player type is not too old for 2028.



Men NT goal is to bringing best player in most cases. That the main goal of fiba competion for every country.


LTU NT is loosing last decade not because we are worse than in LTU 2010s its because 2020s fiba competions is way stronger. When we get that.

All average NTs can do send always more less what you have best at that moment and hope for getting good team chemistry and get some lucky breaks in fiba tournament.


That all can do by 7 to 12th best NTs. No roster changes will make them top 4.
 
So according to you Karnisovas was trash and shouldn't had been invited to NT 1992? Jasikevicius was trash in 1997 and didn't deserve it? Songaila 2000? And so on :) This is very stupid thinking :) If coaches would think like that they would miss out on tons of talent, but that's off course not how it works. Even USA used to bring Davis straight to NT even if they had stacked team.
 
you simply dont understand ncaa 1990s levels to fiba 1990s levels

and Ncaa 2020 levels to fiba 2020 levels and how diffrent time is now in 2020s



I will give u free basketball history lesson and how fiba was improving decade by decade:


in 1970s Ncaa best teams used to beat entire Soviet men NT

in 1980s ncaa best teams was loosing to Soviet NT but still could beat average europe NT

in early 1990s Zalgiris club would lose to most good ncaa teams at best win 50% of games

in 2020s Zalgiris club would easily win ncaa tournament playing vs those 19-21 old raw kids.


thats the diffrence you simply dont get and examples from 1990s is ridiculous to put into 2020s fiba basketball :)


Europeans have done loong way forward compare from 1990s. Now best nba players is europeans

experience nba players lots of them have real problems in 2020s fiba....What 19-21old ncaa student can do in 2020s fiba playing euroleague and nba best proffesionals ? Nothing will look like clueless youngster


Thats why no top 10 NT is not even trying ncaa students anymore like last 10 years.

2020s top 10 NTs better trying good uleb level player in last rosters spots ,its more chances they can help more than some inexperience ncaa kids in 2020s fiba


Its not my opinion im just saying what top 10 NTs is doing with their rosters in 2020s fiba.

With their actions they simply are saying even uleb 2020s level is better than 2020 ncaa level.
 
That doesn't mean best NCAA players are trash, dude. Like there's still elite players who are force in NBA and FIBA instantly, or if not force than at least competitive pieces. Look at the same Tubelis. Straight from NCAA he looked like beast in LKL (much like Jasikevicius) and played well in FIBA windows for the NT and utilized his minutes well in Olympic qualification. It's not entirely true that top 10 teams are not looking for young players, maybe it's rarer now than NCAA players go straight to NT, but it all depends on the talent level. Those top teams that you have in mind as USA, CANADA, Serbia, Spain, France, Australia, Germany, Slovenia at least winning something and showing up in the semis at the very least. We are not. So our situation is different. Ironically ATM we are closer to some Estonia, Finland level than say USA, Canada, Serbia level. That's why for us it's a must to push for talent, be it raw talent, but we need to do it, cause we sit in a shit and things won't change with current experienced players, vets as we know. But even now such team as Australia had 21yo Dyson Daniels, previously G League guy, spent some in NBA, but Australia had 2 guys 21yo.

Also it has to be said that many teams don't have such calibre young players as Jakucionis, Buzelis. Take those top 10 or borderline top ten teams as Slovenia, Greece, Turkey or even Spain, they don't have such good prospects offensively. If those teams had lottery picks, they would bring them, but they don't have. If you would remember 2022 Champs Spain, they had 20yo Garuba who actually became very important role player for them and specially against us in 8finals. Dude's athleticism and agility at 5 and ability to grab boards was a game changer. He was and still is raw player, but he can help, he can do very useful things. So can Matas next summer.

And lastly, the fact that NCAA became a bit weaker and European BB advanced amazingly in three decades, doesn't mean that some Buzelis is worse player than Karnisovas, or that Jakucionis is worse than Jasikevcius. I don't care about the levels of the league, I watch particular players and I see what they can do, I rank their abilities. Lithuania is amazingly lucky to have KJ and Matas. Amazingly, people yet don't understand this phenomenon yet. And even to lesser extent having such players as Indrusaitis, Murauskas is also huge for us. Your logic as always too primitive, like NCAA became weaker so there's no material for serious BB. Again, the same France considered Traore seriously, and Serbia Topic. Standouts are standouts, whatever the hell is the ranking of the leagues.

And when we will have top 8 talent in the world, and true studs in all rotation positions and we will be winning something then we will allow our selves to ignore young talent. Now we have no such luxury and it's a must to push for talent. I can watch Buzelis and KJ bricking and making to's all day long, because I know this is way better for LTU BB than to watch vets bricking and making tos (via game vs PR) :D
 
There is nice upcoming tallent in ncaa but they play there 1 season and thats it ,in 1980s or 1990s most best tallents played 3-4 seasons

Thats why 1980s and 1990s Ncaa was way way stronger and best players was like 2 year older than best players in 2020s Ncaa is.

Ncaa saw that too and paying millions now just to bring some tallent back,because it became very weak league from early 2010 and NT desicions not selecting anybody from ncaa showing that too.


in 2020s nba 1-2 year nba rookie youngsters that who is 1990s ncaa type players in 2020s NTs rosters.. After 1-2 seasons nba players are same age what was of 1990s Ncaa players who played in fiba.


Buzelis and Coulibaly after 1 or 2 nba seasons thats like = 1990s good ncaa players in 2020s fiba basketball

Thats why there is no real ncaa players left in 2020s fiba. All best youngsters is in nba from 19 old age
 
Nov 24 KLP will be important take on North Macedonia. If EL players won't be available we might be in real trouble. Our 3 stud PGs all playing abroad, 2 in America. That's the saddest part cause either from KJ or Marciulionis would be priceless now. We are but naked at 1 after these 3 studs. All are trash, Velicka turned out to be a bust, his IQ never changed, remained a wild player with bad jimmy. Don't let me start about trash Kariniauskas. He annoys me as fuck. Maybe Zemaitis can show something at this point, but it's not a player that I would like to see playing with NT jerseys. In 90s Sabonis and Karnisovas was coming to such games and were dominating. In 00s some Siskauskas would be a beast. Now we are fucking butt naked and our EB ticket is at stake, cause clueless Kazys managed to lose against Estonia with El players.

I'm concerned, Kurtinaitis won't have any time preparing and even if had he's very liberal coach, he needs lead guard or lead forward to be effective as a coach.

If EL players shows up, I'm OK, but now I'm concerned. Maybe Kuz will come and along with Normantas, Radzevicius, Rubstavicius, Jogela, Tubelis would make a decent core. But nevertheless, we need some serious established talent to secure our ticket and we don't have. Will there be a window when EL players available? We need Jokubaitis, Sedekerskis, maybe even Grigonis coming (if he's riding the bench which is easily possible) to do the job, and obviously Zalgiris studs - Sivrydis, Iggy, D. Giedraitis.

I have a bad feeling about Nov 24, but we absolutely need wins and secure EB ticket.
 
Well, Leksas wrote everything correctly this time. Good job, but I really hope we won't see R. Giedraitis, my god...I'm ok with Radzevicius, I have him as better option than Butkevicius cause dude brings nearly the same defensive intensity and hustle, but is way better shooter and scorer overall.

Our final 12 are nearly the same except 2 players. He brings on R. Giedraitis and Radzevicius, I would look forward and bring KJ/Rubsta and Murauskas. But Radzevicius does not annoy me at all. I'm OK with him, but I'm not OK with freakin' Rokas Giedraitis. He's trash and that's not gonna change.

https://www.krepsinis.net/naujiena/rinktines-jauninimas-ar-reikia-ir-kaip-tai-atrodytu/337997
 
Pacesas joins Kurtinaitis army type coaching stuff :)

That federation went this way its clear players was doing bad things in 2024 summer and didnt take NT seriuosly. It wasnt just Dmo big mouth.


Our easy going soft boys will not enjoy that... leaving camp for friend wedding or drinking in hotels or going to night clubs in NT camp wont happen with this soviet mindset coaches.


Problem with this coaching staff their last good results were somewhere in 2016 when basketball was played alot diffrently than now in 2020s.
 
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