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IPC2
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Too tall for his position (SF) or too tall in general? Hahahahahaha.
Too tall for his position (SF) or too tall in general? Hahahahahaha.
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BJ_Reloaded2
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the likes of Braedon Gupilan-Holt, Ajani Jones, BJ Williams, Lino Angelino Marks(Sir Metta's prodigy(?)), Kainoa Patton, Jordan Mize
should also be invited for possible tryout.
hopefully for next year's NBTC Manila Live games they could come over to see for ourselves the progress of those kids
should also be invited for possible tryout.
hopefully for next year's NBTC Manila Live games they could come over to see for ourselves the progress of those kids
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WinningGuy2
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He's actually closer to 6'3" or 6 4" in reality.
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BJ_Reloaded2
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Sir Win,
cc: Sir IPC, Sir live_evil
eh ganun po ba mga boss eh di pasok sa banga trans. dayunyur preferred height ceiling are within that range, the 6'6 ceiling
the youth coaching staff are impatient enough to those in the 6'7 and above kids
oh dear
they need to be replace on the next cycle...ASAP.
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JAMSKIE2
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No way he's just 6-foot-3/6-foot-4 bro. If U look at the video, he towers over everybody. Mahirap naman paniwalaan that the rest of his teammates & opponents are just 6-foot-1 or 6-foot-flat. My estimate is Harrison Jones is around 6-foot-6.
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WinningGuy2
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My son is 6'3" in bare feet.
When they stand next to each other they're the same height. Maybe Harrison might be a 1/2" taller.
Almost everyone lists their height with shoes on... then round up. It's not just Harrison. The height exaggeration happens across the board everywhere. It's so common that a lot of coaches already assume that there's a 2" cushion. So it actually hurts an athlete if they list their actual barefoot height.
Heck, Bronny James was listed in college as 6'4" at USC, but in bare feet he was actually 6'1.5".
It's actually funny that coaches and other players kept trying to convince my son that he's actually 6'5" or 6'6". While he wishes that was true, we've measured him several times and it's not the case. LoL
Side note... my son stood next to Gilbert Arenas, who was listed at 6'4"... but Gilbert was about an inch shorter than my son.
So yeah... height exaggeration in the norm everywhere.
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Metta2
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You've mentioned he has practiced with local teams, is trying out for Batang Gilas in your plans? Would be great if he plays as a guard.
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WinningGuy2
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He's not quite good enough yet.
This year we'll end up seeing how he does and get a more realistic view. He can hold his own and do well against guys like Harrison Jones and Brian Stevenson in stuff like King of the Court or one-on-one, but they're far better in the open court right now.
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Metta2
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I'm assuming he's 15-16, get that passport if you haven't yet (many who waited last minute got blindsided by Covid lockdowns). If he's playing 1 v 1 with those guys, then that means they're in the same camps or teammates. Care to share his HS basketball situation (like what playing position, Division)?
That's the most crucial age in terms of college recruitment. It is important to get an offer at 16-17, you only need to work for that initial one and more will follow. Best of wishes to you and your son.
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WinningGuy2
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He's only played against Harrison Jones one day in some King of the Court. He's played one-on-one with Brian Stevens a few times casually at Fil-Nation events. In 5 on 5 he can defend those guys, but he's struggled a little on offense playing Center.
He's 16 entering his Jr yr in HS. He started getting serious pretty late. We thought he was going to want to be an engineer all the way until the beginning of Freshman year when he suddenly told us he wants to play basketball and have a career in the sports industry.
He was a pretty bad player his Freshman year and didn't even make the Frosh/Soph team. Worked hard all summer and made JV in Sophomore yr.
Entering Junior yr the coach said he's borderline JV/Varsity because the wings are already taken with seniors, and he'd be fighting for Center, which has 2 seniors and another guy who's more muscular and the same height.
His trainer believes he can play varsity SG or SF, but that's not in the cards at the moment in his school. A coach from another school tried to recruit him as a Varsity starting wing with guaranteed minutes (before accepting the coaching position), but we didn't want him to sit out a year. And it's in a lower division. We also figured that we wanted to teach my son to tough it out through adversity.
For this year, assuming he is on Varsity, we'll probably reach out to D3 and D2 schools to get a feel for where he's at. He's on the radar for an NCAA school in the Philippines because a scout saw potential and some UAAP schools have asked him if he wants to attend Senior High there since he has his passport. But we want to keep him here in California for training.
Right now I'd say he's more "potential" than anything. We just started having him play pickup games against adults in their 20's and early 30's and he's normally been the best player on the floor, so it's getting his confidence up.
If anyone has advice, I'm totally open. We're not experts on how to navigate all this by any stretch. But we're here to support his dream, and heck... we figured that there has to be a reason that God made him 6'3" barefoot (or what his trainer insists is 6'5". lol).
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BJ_Reloaded2
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Good Day Sir Win,
cc: Sir Mets,
does you and your son had plans to be part of next year's NBTC entourage?
same thing with Sir Metta's bunch of prodigy(s), I hope we could see for ourselves those lads play here
to somehow develop some sort of heritage connection.
I'm planning to drop by(work/project-related) hopefully by next year at that part of Pasay(within that MOA vicinity)
hehehehe, a 20 pesos entrance fee is a good deal for every Juan dela Cruz
just seeing the future of Philippine basketball in flesh.
cc: Sir Mets,
does you and your son had plans to be part of next year's NBTC entourage?
same thing with Sir Metta's bunch of prodigy(s), I hope we could see for ourselves those lads play here
to somehow develop some sort of heritage connection.
I'm planning to drop by(work/project-related) hopefully by next year at that part of Pasay(within that MOA vicinity)
hehehehe, a 20 pesos entrance fee is a good deal for every Juan dela Cruz
just seeing the future of Philippine basketball in flesh.
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WinningGuy2
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As of right now we do plan to be there. But it's not 100%. It will depend of on feedback we get from trainers and coaches here. It's expensive to go.
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Metta2
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I believe you're in Socal, what division is his HS team in? The strength of the division matters. There's a player in UE who played for Sierra Canyon (open division), he was basically a benchwarmer in HS but that was not a real indicator of his quality (since his team has NCAA D1 caliber players) and still got offers in the Philippines. I also recall you are familiar with Tuano (very similar to your son, 6'3 barefoot and played big in HS), I believe he won state MVP but that was at a much lower division so he was still kind of under the radar. Basically, this shows where coaches are paying attention.
If US is the goal, then I think sitting out a year (reclassifying) can be a good idea. Recruitment kicks into gear the summer after junior year, so unless a prospect is a physical specimen, he pretty much has to be starting or a key player of Var by junior year (and definitely by senior year), unless he's with a Sierra Canyon level school. That summer after his junior year is when he has to attend as much exposure camps/tournaments as possible. If he's really serious, it's a good idea to join a really good travel/club team (with college prospects). It can get really expensive but it's pretty much the only way to be able to join elite tournaments, some teams also have relationships with colleges/coaches so their players will have a leg up. 6'3 barefoot can be considered 6'5 in the US so he can be a wing at college level (that should be his goal).
You mentioned he was thinking of engineering. If he has a high GPA, then targeting high-academic schools is also a viable option. There's several camps in Socal every summer that has coaches in attendance. I think the level of High-Academic camp prospects is a good approximation for the level of the Philippines (plus of course added physicality).
With the Philippine route, since he's been attending Fil-Nation events, then coaches already have him in their radar.
Also, take lots of videos (unedited game videos). Once a coach shows interest, they will ask for game videos, so have some prepared where he performs well.
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WinningGuy2
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My son and Tuano have the same trainer. The club team he ran had to be disbanded unfortunately due to the trainer being diagnosed with a medical condition where he was advised to no longer coach games due to the stress. So at the moment my son isn't on a club team. He's just been working out and training.
My son used to also do some training on the side with a former assistant coach from Camarillo that worked with Jaime Jaquez before and currently works with Jaquez's cousin. Both trainers told my son that he should be targeting US schools because he has the skill. He just needs to be more aggressive. They mentioned possible lower level D1, and this guy wasn't being paid, so I think he really believed it. Up until recently, in my opinion my son looks like a star in practice and training, but in games he looks like a regular guy and is often too passive offensively. He's got to get that figured out. But he is probably the most vocal guy on the court on defense in almost every game, and doesn't mind doing the little things like boxing out, setting screens, and playing defense. Playing pickup looks like it's helping him find his game even more than playing club did.
His school is Div 3AA in CIF Southern Section. Their school does ok in Division games, but they're horrible in League (Marmonte). The Varsity team has zero League victories in 2 yrs, but has a good record outside of League.
The coach has been there 3 yrs I believe, but when he started a few players transferred out and a lot of expected Freshmen went to different schools. So its been tough. I do expect this next year to be better though.
My son has a decent GPA. Not quite 4.0, but close. He shouldn't end up being limited in options due to grades unless it's an elite Ivy League, which i cant afford anyway.
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Metta2
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It's good that you have someone that you can use as a barometer which is Tuano (for Philippine level). He was I believe playing mostly 5 in HS but has now transitioned to 3/4. You're also familiar with his high school achievements. That will be what it boils down to, what position the prospect can play at the next level. If he can play guard, the higher his chances (and level gets higher). Even if his team strictly plays him as a 5, find ways that he gets to work on his guard/wing skills. Another player you might have seen is Kenji Duremdes (Orange Country area). Also almost the same size and played 5 in a US HS (who also did well in State playoffs). He has a well-connected dad and was recruited by UST (he's now with Perpetual in the other league NCAA).
Does he participate in Asian Ball (Japanese-run leagues)? Those are good leagues for asians to get the right mix of quality and at the same time be able to have a chance to dominate (to work on confidence). And if he manages to get included in the North-South game, that is a perfect gauge because most participants are college prospects (a lot of Filam college players are participants). It is not uncommon for prospects to be in at least 3 teams simultaneously: a team that is the highest-level that will accept him (or play up), a team where he has unlimited playing time and then his school team.
US coaches/scouts who look at prospects purely from schools are biased towards players with awards (all-league, mvp's, etc). Attending camps and getting recruitment help from knowledgeable club teams is almost essential without those awards. Coach recommendations also go a long way so always network.
High-academic schools although expensive (and most don't offer scholarships) give a lot of grants and other options that make it very affordable. The prospect just has to work harder in terms of applications and requirements. In my opinion, it is worth it.
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live_evil2
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Sir WinningGuy, one piece of advice, never let anyone named Josh Reyes coach your son.
Sikatrix2
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If your kid is legit borderline D1, he could keep targeting the US and if that doesn't happen for whatever reason, just declare interest in the UAAP last minute. Teams should be lining up if he is at that level. A legit issue though is many filams underestimate the UAAP. It aint easy for sure, I compare it to D2 level.
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WinningGuy2
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I don't see my son as legit D1, but his trainer thinks he has a chance, while for some of the older kids (that now just got into college) were told a year or two ago that they were probably D2 or D3 prospects, and they ended up D3.
But the trainer is not at his games, he only see him in training. So there is a disconnect there.
My son holds his own well against the college D3 players that train with him and he doesn't look as athleticilly developed as them. He just started consistently weight training about two months ago and he's barely starting to see hints of muscles in his upper body, but still needs to lose weight. He's 224 lbs. The college kids are pretty lean and muscular.
This year is probably the year where we all find out what he's got in him. He does play water polo too, so that may be hurting his development. His mom loves the sport and he is close friends with the kids on that team, so doesn't want to abandon them. He said he probably won't play water polo next season, but I wish he didn't choose to join this season. But oh well...