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2025 Fiba u16 Asian Championship

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Patton is a more realistic recruit. that said, SBP should still pursue Mize. better to ask and be rejected, than not even being mentioned by the kid because noone officially asked him on time.

Sir C2,

Kainoa Patton and James Sanderson already secured their respective PH passport before their respective 16th birthday

and already came over and participated last year's NBTC edition which according to some legit sources are committed to do it again in few weeks time(hopefully without any unexpected stuff)

yup they are more realistic now even though James was previously invited to USA training camp for it's U-team.

as for Jordan Mize we could only see some positivity if he will come over to play for this years edition of NBTC considering the kid and his parents are connected to

those Filipino Sports Org., if I'm not mistaken the Fil-Nation Select of Cabaggie.

it seems that the kid recognizes his roots even in his personal interface with a PHI flag unless he removes it now.

whether James Sanderson and Jordan Mize eventually played for USA U team it's okay were cool on that

because we are already educated on that playbook about "before reaching the age of 23 yrs. old".

I think JJ Mandaquit who alongside Angelino Mark are committed to play here in few weeks time are seriously considering this option moving forward
 
Patton is a more realistic recruit. that said, SBP should still pursue Mize. better to ask and be rejected, than not even being mentioned by the kid because noone officially asked him on time.

Sir C2,

Kainoa Patton and James Sanderson already secured their respective PH passport before their respective 16th birthday

and already came over and participated last year's NBTC edition which according to some legit sources are committed to do it again in few weeks time(hopefully without any unexpected stuff)

yup they are more realistic now even though James was previously invited to USA training camp for it's U-team.

as for Jordan Mize we could only see some positivity if he will come over to play for this years edition of NBTC considering the kid and his parents are connected to

those Filipino Sports Org., if I'm not mistaken the Fil-Nation Select of Cabaggie.

it seems that the kid recognizes his roots even in his personal interface with a PHI flag unless he removes it now.

whether James Sanderson and Jordan Mize eventually played for USA U team it's okay were cool on that

because we are already educated on that playbook about "before reaching the age of 23 yrs. old".

I think JJ Mandaquit who alongside Angelino Mark are committed to play here in few weeks time are seriously considering this option moving forward​
 
Long shot to have Mize IMO. Kid is a standout on his age bracket. Just recently won State Championship with Bryce. Would be part of U16 - U18 of US in no time. But if he chooses Gilas, who would not take it?

Has Mize secured a Phi passport prior to his 16th birthday? Sorry, I'm lazy to do backreading :cool:
 
Sir C2,

Kainoa Patton and James Sanderson already secured their respective PH passport before their respective 16th birthday
isnt Sanderson 16 already? maybe he can play for U18 team instead?

whether James Sanderson and Jordan Mize eventually played for USA U team it's okay were cool on that

because we are already educated on that playbook about "before reaching the age of 23 yrs. old".

I think JJ Mandaquit who alongside Angelino Mark are committed to play here in few weeks time are seriously considering this option moving forward​
i am not familiar with "before reaching the age of 23 yrs. old" playbook. which player has played for another country before 23rd bday and played for Gilas after?
 
i am not familiar with "before reaching the age of 23 yrs. old" playbook. which player has played for another country before 23rd bday and played for Gilas after?

Yeah, this is what I'm saying. There is no example yet, at least not with our local players. We still don't know if the rule only applies to so-called developing countries. The Bahamas has already done it.

While there have been instances where we've used that rule, it was for the naturalized spot. An example is CStan playing for U18 Germany before joining Gilas as a naturalized player.

This is why I'm not positive about JJ Mandaquit's situation anymore. After the vlog from a YouTuber stating that FIBA is making it difficult for the SBP to get JJ to play for Gilas (according to the vlogger's source, SBP actually asked FIBA about JJ, but they said it's "mahirap"). While FIBA didn't say it was impossible, that "mahirap" statement clearly means it's a tedious process, which the SBP isn't good at handling.

Hell, if QMB, who didn’t even play for the US youth team and allegedly had his passport before 16, couldn't get it done by the SBP, what makes us think JJ’s situation would be any different?

This also brings up the fact that we don't even know if the US will release him to play for us.

There’s just a harsh process and a lot of effort involved, and even if the SBP moves on it, FIBA is known for being tough on us and not giving us the "pagbigyan" pass. This is because it could create a threat to our competitors, who might argue that the strong are just getting stronger.

That being said, I think it is more on SBP not trying hard anymore since they already know it would be difficult. They hate processing papers, as we all know.

So making the eligible foreign kids playing for us at the youth level would be ideal just to lock them in and avoid those transferring process anymore (Assuming they played for other country prior to us).
 
isnt Sanderson 16 already? maybe he can play for U18 team instead?


i am not familiar with "before reaching the age of 23 yrs. old" playbook. which player has played for another country before 23rd bday and played for Gilas after?

Good Day Sir C2,
cc: Sir lemon,

I will re-post for the nth time the part of that playbook as per FIBA - Internal Regulation Book 3(rev. 26 March 2022)

it stated the "Sec-Gen had the sole discretion" on everything, I highlighted several statement to emphasize on some remarks but reading it entirely is highly recommended to fully understand the whole thing.

There are two scenarios here.about players with more than one nationalities and with previous registration

“Players with two or more nationalities”
17. Any player who played (i.e appeared on a final team delegation roster) in main official competition of FIBA (including a FIBA 3x3 Competition) for a national team for which the player is eligible is considered as having chosen the national team of that country.
  1. a. A player who has transferred as a young player according to articles 3-73 or 3-74 may not choose to play for the national team of any country other than the country from which the player’s transferred, until the player has reached the age of twenty three (23).
b. The Secretary General, may, in his sole discretion, partially or entirely lift the restrictions of 3.19.a in exceptional circumstances, which may include, without limitation, the following:
i. The Player already played(see article 3-17) for the national team of another country than the one from which the player initially transferred.
ii. The player had two or more nationalities (and was in possession of the relevant of the passports) at the time of the initial transfer.
iii. The player is not eligible to play for the national team of the country from which the player initially transferred.

21.A player who has played (see article 17) for a national team in a main official competition of FIBA only before reaching his or her seventeenth (17) birthday may play for a national team of another country if both National Member Federation agree; in the absence of an agreement the Secretary General decides.
22. A player who has played(see article 17) for a national team in a main official competition of FIBA after having reached his or her seventeenth (17) birthday may not play for a national team of another country. However, in exceptional circumstances the Secretary General may authorize such a player for the national team of his or her country of origin, if this is in the best interest of the development of the basketball in this country. An administrative fee as stipulated in article 3-341 and decided by the Secretary General is payable to FIBA.

”Players with previous registration”.
74. If the young player’s proposed international transfer is linked to basketball, FIBA shall take the following criteria into account when making the decision on the letter of clearance (no administrative fee will be charged):
a. The player’s new club shall guarantee adequate academic and/ or school and or/ vocational training that prepares the player a career after a career as a professional player.
e. The young player, the young player’s parents, the new club, and the New National Member Federation shall declare in writing that (i) they have read and understood the conditions of article 3-19, and that (ii) until the player’s twenty third(23) birthday, the player shall make himself or herself available for the national team of the country from which the player transferred, unless otherwise decided by the Secretary General as per article 3-19 and if necessary, for the preparation time as well as for training camps provided that they do not interfere with school activities.
 
I think we are misunderstanding each other with the use of the term playbook. If something is part of your playbook, it's something you practice and use consistently when needed. My question is have we done this and who are these players? How can this be part of Gilas play book if this is under the sole discretion of the sec gen? What if he doesn't want to give RP any more exception at all? He doesn't need a reason, it's his discretion any way. Ano na gagawin natin?
 
I think we are misunderstanding each other with the use of the term playbook. If something is part of your playbook, it's something you practice and use consistently when needed. My question is have we done this and who are these players? How can this be part of Gilas play book if this is under the sole discretion of the sec gen? What if he doesn't want to give RP any more exception at all? He doesn't need a reason, it's his discretion any way. Ano na gagawin natin?

Good Day Po Sir C2,

as I've mentioned that part of that playbook was derived from FIBA Internal Regulations - Book 3 rev. 26 March 2022,

I dunno if they release a new revision as of the moment.

as for the question is have we done this and who are these players? well I dunno what transpired on the exemption given to Greg Slaughter, Chris Newsome and Maverick Ahahmissi considering they haven't played in any sanctioned tourney under USA Basketball youth teams, all we know is that they've acquired their respective docs after their 16th birthday, schooled here and played for their respective college varsity team during their teen years then eventually played as a local in the PBA bec. of their confirmed Filipino ethnicity thru their parent(s).

if I'm not mistaken this is the time when the late Sec. Gen. Patrick Baumann handed that decision before his untimely death.

and let's assume that there's an administrative fee on those dudes "halos wala nang libre sa panahon ngayon" trans. reality bites.

and it will be a no-brainer for the likes of Michael Philips, Xavier Lucero and Kai Ballungay to take the same route if ever they will be included in the next batch of Gilas Senior team considering they haven't played in any sanctioned tourney during their youth years.

now as for the likes of the 4-Star Prospect JJ kid whom we all know already acquired his ph passport before his 16th bday but eventually played for the youth team of Uncle Sam in a sanctioned tourney but had the intention to change allegiance if given the chance to play for Gilas Senior

now to further solidify his intention to his heritage alongside to those hafu kids who will come over for the nth time to play for NBTC Manila Live Games in few weeks time then we already know the obvious storyline.

on that part, I think it will be a first on the part of the SBP if they are seriously pursuing the kid and use that particular provision of FIBA.

now, under the new sec gen Andreas Zagklis (term 2018 to 2031) certainly he had his own sets of discretion on this, away from the previous decision of his late predecessor(hopefully).

now, If ever it happens, there's a possibility that there will be an administrative cost on all of this and I want to share with you that piece of provision in that same playbook

Chapter 11: FEES AND ALLOWANCES

Page 341. Fees and dues payable to FIBA, a FIBA Regional Office or a National Member Federation listed in Book 3:

Article Number Item Amount

3-20; 3-22; 3-32 Administrative fee chargeable for exceptional change of eligibility CHF 2,000 to 20,000


note: if the basis of the exchange rate would be today 20 Mar. CHF 2,000 is equivalent to Php 130,679.20 ; CHF 20,000 is equivalent to Php1,304,283.40


well I'm not mocking the SBP run by RSA and MVP combine but investing to hafu kids like 4-Star Prospect JJ Mandaquit and 5-Star Prospect Dylan Harper is very worth it.

with what had happened in last night's Game 3 and not to mention Game 2, I am not totally sold on the work rate of Scotty 2 Hooty and the Blitz anchoring the PG slot of Gilas moving forward

esp. against our Asia-Oceania counterpart like AUS, NZL, Arakji led LEB and Kawamura led JAP.
 
Good Day Po Sir C2,

as I've mentioned that part of that playbook was derived from FIBA Internal Regulations - Book 3 rev. 26 March 2022,

I dunno if they release a new revision as of the moment.
its still there. but like what I said, if something is in your playbook, its part of your policy and procedure. its something you can use consistently if you want to. we dont have any example yet, so what im saying is, we cant say its Gilas' playbook to get someone after 23yrs old.​


BJ_Reloaded said:
as for the question is have we done this and who are these players? well I dunno what transpired on the exemption given to Greg Slaughter, Chris Newsome and Maverick Ahahmissi considering they haven't played in any sanctioned tourney under USA Basketball youth teams, all we know is that they've acquired their respective docs after their 16th birthday, schooled here and played for their respective college varsity team during their teen years then eventually played as a local in the PBA bec. of their confirmed Filipino ethnicity thru their parent(s).
hence why i said, its not a playbook for Gilas. because it hasnt happened yet.

BJ_Reloaded said:
​and let's assume that there's an administrative fee on those dudes "halos wala nang libre sa panahon ngayon" trans. reality bites. ...
too long if I quote everything, but i dont understand this bit. are you saying we just need to pay a fee to get exemption? because that fee is not to exempt anyone. its just for Fiba to review eligibility of a player who wasnt able to show the needed docs as per Fiba policy and procedures. case in point, Jordan Clarkson. SBP tried to exempt him as per different news outlets, didnt happen.
 
it's always been a pleasure having a conversation to you Sir C2,

yup your totally right "we don't have any example yet" and "it hasn't happened yet" if the point of conversation is about JJ Mandaquit who despite obtaining a PH doc before his 16th birthday but still played for USA U16 tournament of America and FIBA U17 WC all sanctioned tournament but willing to represent PHI if ever in the Senior level moving forward.

again it hasn't happened yet as far as Pilipinas basketball are concern.

narrative about Greg Slaughter, Chris Newsome and Maverick Ahahmisi is a different thing

Jordan Clarkson's narrative is also a different thing despite presenting an allegedly PH passport when he is still 12 yrs. old(?) but still FIBA handed it's seal of disapproval

I am not in a position to say "probably that docs are ain't legit blah! blah! blah!, let the dude and circles do their thing bec. honestly it's still a "hanging question to all of us fans",

why it was disapprove...the real score will be reveal, the sooner the better.

that is why many people nowadays with a very very fatty brains are now speculating that "most probably QMB's case will fall on the same scenario".

well as for me personally, I would rather want the Roosevelt Adams and Jaime Malonzo storyline on QMB's case instead.

for now let JJ concentrate on his imminent return in NBTC in the coming weeks and eventually his D1 journey

hopefully there would a formal press conference and grant some interview here and there esp. coach Byron Scott will be one of the high profile name who will be involved.

anyway, the never ending drama of Philippine basketball or I would say Philippine Sports as a whole continues.

there are so many storyline that has no formal ending.

that is why this platform has no off-season.

it is what it is.
 
all good, i m not against where you're going with the convo, im just a bit hesitant there are (not you) fans who seem to be under the impression that a player who didnt get a passport before 16yrs old, has a clear path of getting exempted if they went to school in RP, or stayed for 10years, or what else is in socmed. its not a clear path, and it most hangs if with 1 person who has to balance his\her decision to ensure other countries dont go up in arms against FIBA.

i would like to see more orgs outside the country follow what filam nation and the group of Dave in NZ are doing. yes they give exposure to kids with Pinoy heritage regardless of passport but they have helped a lot of kids to get their passport prior. i think this kind of complementary help by other orgs can lessen the burden of SBP and they (SBP) can just focus on players that they feel are game changers like JJ or Mize. kasi ngayon, if someone see's an athletic player or a kid who is 6'6 and up regardless of skill, you'll see in the comments Gilas na yan SBP should help the kid. lets be real, SBP cant do it alone. and i dont even think its under its mandate to chase potential players. maybe the team manager or coach of the NT. but not really the organization. so yeah, outside orgs (filam and camp david?) to help with players outside the country, and the different schools help local players. and SBP can just manage the actual teams who will represent and other FIBA related matters.
 
While there is no official lineup yet, there are confirmed players for the final 12 based on legitimate posts and sources:
  • Okebata (6'1") - sure
  • Restificar (6'5") - sure
  • Mananan (6'7") - still a prospect, not confirm yet but most likely will make the lineup.
  • Cabanero (5'10", not sure about height) — Younger brother of Nic. - sure
It was also mentioned that 2 out of the 3 Fil-Nigerian players (Okebata, Okafor, Esomichi) made it to the lineup. So, it's either Okafor (6'2") or Esomichi (6'1") who got in.

This lineup seems good, at least height-wise, for an all-local Filipino lineup. No Carino (6'7'') yet, and other standouts have not been mentioned.
 
lem0nadi

What are the respective ages of Okebata, Esomchi & Okafor? I heard one or two of them are only around 14 years old at present. I wonder is that's true becoz if they are only 14 yrs old, they must be that good to make it to the final roster of Batang Gilas U-16 youth team.
 
lem0nadi

What are the respective ages of Okebata, Esomchi & Okafor? I heard one or two of them are only around 14 years old at present. I wonder is that's true becoz if they are only 14 yrs old, they must be that good to make it to the final roster of Batang Gilas U-16 youth team.

Goodluck will turn 14 next month
 
again in reality those people behind NABA, Fil-Nation Select, Tumakbo, Camp David among others are not only investing for the time and effort in terms of training development and document processing but also monetary.

certainly it all begins with the so-called "For the Love of the Game" that's the very basic hard rock foundation to all overseas Filipino organization out there.

because without that it is hard so damn hard if major challenges suddenly keeps on popping up.

obviously the ROI is very encouraging especially if the talent turns out to be a blue chipper and schools will eventually lined up to offer all those worldly things to that particular prospect(s).

and if the stars are fully align, even if the kid is still college, offers from the professional leagues domestic and international e.g. Asia-Oceania are very overwhelming.

so it boils down on the kid and it's handlers on how they play their cards right.

Professional basketball is really a lucrative career here in the Philippines because opportunities are not only within it's realm but also outside of it.
 
Goodluck will turn 14 next month


lem0nadi

What are the respective ages of Okebata, Esomchi & Okafor? I heard one or two of them are only around 14 years old at present. I wonder is that's true becoz if they are only 14 yrs old, they must be that good to make it to the final roster of Batang Gilas U-16 youth team.

Esomichi is born on March 25, 2011, turning 14 in 4 days.

Okafor is born on June 16, 2009, turning 16 this year.

Okebata is born on April 12, 2010, turning 15 next month.


My source is the Milcu itself, they already posted it long time ago.

https://www.facebook.com/GotSkillsBasketball/posts/pfbid0cj2fJUeGPXz2sDhiDYBpf8h3W5ZDorw1YdPoKmcnkgNu PdgsPz8nSPYSEASs9tkal

I feel like Esomichi is the one who did not make the lineup because he is still so young, only 13. Will be eligible for the next U16 in 2027. Although it is crazy how he made to the top rankings of the players in that Talent Identification.

https://www.facebook.com/GotSkillsBasketball/posts/pfbid02R1QwCpPVsfHNGy8R5XhJKHbnkAnWxPwyBdAeU6Co6Hk PRSVRit2PpbSLhPdFfQgJl

Talent-wise, hell yeah, they seems to be that advance compare to their age counterpart.

But the thing is they play as big, so if they did not grow anymore and still plays as big, it won't be good for their career.

6'5 will be their projected maximum height honestly, 6'7 - 6'8 if they are being lucky. Their fathers are just like 6'0 - 6'1 height so there is no way they would become 6'10 and up, let alone 7 footers.

 
Esomichi is born on March 25, 2011, turning 14 in 4 days.

Okafor is born on June 16, 2009, turning 16 this year.

Okebata is born on April 12, 2010, turning 15 next month.


My source is the Milcu itself, they already posted it long time ago.

https://www.facebook.com/GotSkillsBasketball/posts/pfbid0cj2fJUeGPXz2sDhiDYBpf8h3W5ZDorw1YdPoKmcnkgNu PdgsPz8nSPYSEASs9tkal

I feel like Esomichi is the one who did not make the lineup because he is still so young, only 13. Will be eligible for the next U16 in 2027. Although it is crazy how he made to the top rankings of the players in that Talent Identification.

https://www.facebook.com/GotSkillsBasketball/posts/pfbid02R1QwCpPVsfHNGy8R5XhJKHbnkAnWxPwyBdAeU6Co6Hk PRSVRit2PpbSLhPdFfQgJl

Talent-wise, hell yeah, they seems to be that advance compare to their age counterpart.

But the thing is they play as big, so if they did not grow anymore and still plays as big, it won't be good for their career.

6'5 will be their projected maximum height honestly, 6'7 - 6'8 if they are being lucky. Their fathers are just like 6'0 - 6'1 height so there is no way they would become 6'10 and up, let alone 7 footers.


That's good.

If Okafor, Okebata & Esomchi ends up 6-foot-5/6-foot-6, I'm fine with that for as long as they play either the 2 or 3 position. I just don't really trust the projected height thing. I always take it with a grain of salt. That's why if someone is projected to end up growing 6-foot-10, I just think to myself that kid would most likely end up just 6-foot-8 or 6-foot-7.

Ben Edu for instance has a projected height of 7 feet, yet from the looks of things, swerte na sya if he ends up 6-foot-8.

Yung advantage kasi usually nitong mga half-Afro players is their athleticism. They have stronger body than our local players. Hence, if for instance you got a local player of equal height & skills with a half-Afro player, chances are the latter will be the better than the former.
 
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