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2024 Paris Olympics Basketball | IBN PH Discussion Thread

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Metta said:
I think making it about homegrowns vs filfors is an unnecessary debate. Most of the filfors who never won Olympic medals are in competitions where no homegrowns qualified. And we're conveniently overlooking the fact that they actually have won for us medals in regional meets to qualify for the Olympics. It was between having representatives and not having representatives. I don't think spots were robbed and I don't think development funding was diverted.

At the end of the day, international coaching and international competition experience is necessary to be world-class. Filfors lucked into having it, while Yulo and Obiena also managed to get it leaving the country early.

The Yulo and Obiena template is key. Lay the foundation for homegrowns to be in sports really early (because homegrown is the majority of the population pie). Then help them as much as possible in getting that foreign coaching and experience.

*Boxing is an exception because like I said before, world-class coaching and world-class competition is readily available within the country.
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Not making it as Fil-Foreign vs homegrowns. Im calling out federations that their main spending revolve around going abroad to recruit athletes rather than having a genuine program.

Where are the Buhains, Papas and Concepcions that dominated swimming in the 90s? Even Akiko ( japanese mother, American father) grew up in the PHL. Swim fed cannot even produce a SE Games medalist that were born in the PH.

PATAFA inherited Lydia De Vega, Elma Muros, Hector Begeo from Marcos Sr's crony Michael Keon's vision (Project Gintong Alay), but that was 3 decades ago, and up to now, we are still looking for new track heroes. ( EJ fought with PATAFA so that tells me he's not a lackey and PATAFA shouldn't be credited for his success)
 
Dotch said:
Not making it as Fil-Foreign vs homegrowns. Im calling out federations that their main spending revolve around going abroad to recruit athletes rather than having a genuine program.

Where are the Buhains, Papas and Concepcions that dominated swimming in the 90s. Even Akiko grew up in the PHL. Swim fed cannot even produce a SE Games medalist that were born in the PH.

PATAFA inherited Lydia De Vega, Elma Muros, Hector Begeo from Marcos Sr's crony Michael Keon's vision (Project Gintong Alay), but that was 3 decades ago, and up to now, we are still looking for new track heroes. ( EJ fought with PATAFA so that tells me he's not a lackey and PATAFA shouldn't be credited for his success)
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Most if not all of the names you mentioned went to other countries to study and train as well. And so did Yulo, Obiena, Eala, etc. Elite coaching and training is really abroad (except for boxing). You're also being nostalgic with Buhain, et al...they never won any Olympic medals either.

Local federations having the necessary funding and support is a pipe dream since time immemorial. They weren't good in the past either. All these homegrown athletes past and present did the bulk of their training and development on their own.

You're saying you're not making it about Filfors vs Homegrowns but it is exactly what most people will derive from this. It is what is being spewed in Socmed. If it's about the federation like you say, then don't start your statement with "in the end it was the home grown, home-bred who delivered the medals."

If we're going to discriminate against Filfors, we better be ready to do it with our basketball players and all other athletes too. Not doing so is hypocritical.
 
Metta said:
I dunno, it kind of feels like how it was pre-Pacquiao era. We have a couple of Olympians. Champs once in a while. Someone can correct me, but I don't think we even have a reigning champ right now.

The boxing for workout seems like more of the business progression in the Philippines as a whole. More restaurants, different types of gyms (Muay Thai, BJJ, etc), more recreational activities overall. Pinoys just learned to commercialize a lot more things.

I was expecting something like how the Dream Team/Jordan energized Europe into basketball. I thought it was going to open the floodgates for more Pinoy champs.
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currently we have 2 reigning world champions but in the lowest weight classes, weight class which nobody is interested to watch unless you are a hardcore boxing fan, in general, the quality of boxing has regressed all over the world, 2 of the top 3 in pound for pound list has a weak resume compared to greats of the past, Inoue has not fought anyone who can be a future HOFer except the corpse of Donaire, same with Tank Davis
 
ja.he said:
This. Haters will just always hate. Gilas did alot of checks for the past 14 years.

- 2 silver medal finishes in FIBA-Asia Cup
- 1 gold medal finish in Asian Games
- 3 consecutive OQT appearances
- 3 consecutive FIBA World Cup appearances

If these people insist that we should invest on some sports where, as they claim, we are going to excel like football, they I will talk them straight - do the Azkals really have a chance to win a football match the same way Gilas will always have? If not, then I will not invest in their team if winnability is the concern.
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Metta said:
Football advocates need a reality check. Success in team sports is ridiculously difficult. And football being the most popular makes it the most difficult. One of the biggest handicaps (among many) is us not having a quality pro league.

China and it's leader Xi more than a decade ago started a program to make China a football powerhouse. They poured in billions into the program. And it wasn't an impulsive plan, it was a long-term plan with 2050 being the goal that China would reach their goal. Fast forward 10+ years, and they're still at the same spot.

Even the US who should have all the ingredients to become a football powerhouse can't manage to do it (a fact most people don't know is that soccer is the most popular sports that American kids initially play).

Us just diverting more funds into it doesn't mean more success.

If there are vocal sports advocates that we should listen to, it is those from individual sports.
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And height is might in football too: https://x.com/LinesniRyanRems/status/1818023051403083826?t=_11h4y1gte4Y0fPzQwPdyg&s=19

That's the case especially in the goalkeeper, center-back, and striker positions. You need height to win headers, and for keepers, to claim crosses and corners.

Football's the 2nd sport I watch, but that's also the reality of the sport. Even Messi, who's 169cm (5'6") had speed when he was young, and he's strong for his size.​
 
ja.he said:
The more reason why we should not abandon basketball. Among all our teams that has an Olympic event, it is basketball that has really the biggest and most realistic chance to make it all the way to the Olympics.
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Maybe Flag football too... In 2028, it will be Olympic sport, we have lots of Fil-ams playing in US NCAA and NFL... Only Japan is good in flag football in Asia... I don't know what will qualifications will do for flag football Olympics but I think we have a chance to qualify... Cricket is also Olympic sport in 2028 but this is harder especially in Asia because of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh will be heavy contenders there.. women's football also have chance but depending on situation of PFF that time...
 
IPC said:
And height is might in football too: https://x.com/LinesniRyanRems/status/1818023051403083826?t=_11h4y1gte4Y0fPzQwPdyg&s=19

That's the case especially in the goalkeeper, center-back, and striker positions. You need height to win headers, and for keepers, to claim crosses and corners.

Football's the 2nd sport I watch, but that's also the reality of the sport. Even Messi, who's 169cm (5'6") had speed when he was young, and he's strong for his size.​
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Agree... I watch Iraq vs Azkals game.. we are very disadvantage since Iraqis are taller, skills, more chemistry, more fluid than Azkals... We don't have chance to win in men's football
 
JOI2dWorld said:
currently we have 2 reigning world champions but in the lowest weight classes, weight class which nobody is interested to watch unless you are a hardcore boxing fan, in general, the quality of boxing has regressed all over the world, 2 of the top 3 in pound for pound list has a weak resume compared to greats of the past, Inoue has not fought anyone who can be a future HOFer except the corpse of Donaire, same with Tank Davis
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Boxing slowly fading to its popularity because of lacked of major names especially in US and Mexico, who are top market drawers for boxing... I don't know now who is the biggest names in boxing since Mayweather, Pacquiao or Marquez...
 
greenarcher said:
How different is pro boxing from amateur boxing? Why are there no knockouts in amateur? Because of the head protection?

Can Pacquiao's sheer speed and power knock out boxers in the Olympics? He should have joined 4 or 8 years ago.
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Knockouts also have in amateur boxing but because it just only 3 rounds, KOs are very few...
 
Metta said:
You're saying you're not making it about Filfors vs Homegrowns but it is exactly what most people will derive from this. It is what is being spewed in Socmed. If it's about the federation like you say, then don't start your statement with "in the end it was the home grown, home-bred who delivered the medals."

If we're going to discriminate against Filfors, we better be ready to do it with our basketball players and all other athletes too. Not doing so is hypocritical.
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No short-cuts bro, that all i want to convey.

Im pro-athlete, i want all athlete who represent the PHL have the same opportunities that Yulo, EJ, Women's Football NT, Heidilyn et al, all have. Also, if im the president of POC. i would ban all non-athletes in the Parade of Nation for the Filipino Delegates.

And also my son is a Fil-Am, so there. I dont discriminate.
 
Silent Killer said:
he got the Olympic Record
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yeah and doing it effortlessly, for every clearance he was way above the bar, while the others you can see how hard they have to try too bad Ej failed at 5.80 if not he could've secured a bronze medal, the greek can't even get past the other side of the bar at 6.0 m
 
JOI2dWorld said:
yeah and doing it effortlessly, for every clearance he was way above the bar, while the others you can see how hard they have to try too bad Ej failed at 5.80 if not he could've secured a bronze medal, the greek can't even get past the other side of the bar at 6.0 m
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and a world and olympic record of 6.25
 
So Serbia once again underachieves as they got knockout by Australia in the quarterfinals. Serbia looked strong & scary in 2019 but hasn't really lived up to most people's expectation in the last 5 years or so.
 
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