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CoJ2
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Ahem Gilbert Lao Ahem
Lao lasted almost 14 yrs in the league , barely played at all, lols
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Metta2
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But if we stick with Peping, I don't think we will see Yulo or Obiena like athletes... We have so many potential athletes in the past but Peping and co., doesn't care to our athletes' needs... Check at our performance in Asian games and Olympics under Peping management and Post Peping performance? It's obvious that we perform very well under Tolentino and Vargas... While under Peping, we can't even win atleast 1 bronze in Olympics...
Peping this, Peping that. There will always be roadblocks. In a third world country like ours, there will be more road blocks. But that is the hand we're dealt with.
Peping or whoever the heck replaced him in whatever governing body had nothing to do with the development of Yulo, Obiena, Eala, Diaz, Pacquiao. Those athletes all started really young and worked their assess off. Though they had varied stations in life, all of them sacrificed, persevered and found ways to achieve their dreams. With God-given talent and determination, elite world-class coaches eventually found them and the rest is history.
On the surface, it always seems there is an element of luck. But luck is just opportunity that comes at the right time, they still needed to work on becoming worthy of that opportunity. All of them at one point faced a problem that makes 99.9% of people quit or get discouraged. But that is what separates them from everyone else, it is integral to have a "no excuses" mentality.
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Metta2
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its actually tiring to debate with them that basketball is funded privately, they should for look a booster that would finance their beloved sport
unfortunately MVP doesnt like athletes below 5’0 lol
I was honestly expecting a "Pacquaio effect" about 20 years after his career peak in the early 2000s. The global achievements and monetary prizes he earned were astronomical.
I thought it would inspire countless Pinoy kids to go into boxing of which many should be approaching their peak by now. Fast forward to now, we have a few Olympic contenders and none really are carrying the torch professionally. I thought we would have more boxing world champs by now.
I don't know how involved with boxing Pacquiao is, but we could sure use his knowledge and help in promoting it. For sure he knows how to make a great boxer more than he knows basketball and writing laws.
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Giannis34GOD2
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Peping this, Peping that. There will always be roadblocks. In a third world country like ours, there will be more road blocks. But that is the hand we're dealt with.
Peping or whoever the heck replaced him in whatever governing body had nothing to do with the development of Yulo, Obiena, Eala, Diaz, Pacquiao. Those athletes all started really young and worked their assess off. Though they had varied stations in life, all of them sacrificed, persevered and found ways to achieve their dreams. With God-given talent and determination, elite world-class coaches eventually found them and the rest is history.
On the surface, it always seems there is an element of luck. But luck is just opportunity that comes at the right time, they still needed to work on becoming worthy of that opportunity. All of them at one point faced a problem that makes 99.9% of people quit or get discouraged. But that is what separates them from everyone else, it is integral to have a "no excuses" mentality.
But if Peping still the POC chairman, guys like Obiena and Yulo will not be made.. you know how he handle our sports program in his term... Full of corruption and mishandling of sports program in his era... No medals from 1996 to 2016 in Olympics, always at bottom half in seagames event (except we host in 2005), We can't win many medals in Asian games... Ousting him is one of the biggest move of POC... Since 2018 Asian games until now, our sports program improve, gathering some results
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Giannis34GOD2
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I was honestly expecting a "Pacquaio effect" about 20 years after his career peak in the early 2000s. The global achievements and monetary prizes he earned were astronomical.
I thought it would inspire countless Pinoy kids to go into boxing of which many should be approaching their peak by now. Fast forward to now, we have a few Olympic contenders and none really are carrying the torch professionally. I thought we would have more boxing world champs by now.
I don't know how involved with boxing Pacquiao is, but we could sure use his knowledge and help in promoting it. For sure he knows how to make a great boxer more than he knows basketball and writing laws.
Because boxing is a dangerous sport, many parents not encourage their kids to try boxing.. which is understandable.. even Pacquiao not allowing their kids to join or try boxing...unlike weightlifting or gymnastics.. parents for sure will encourage their kids to try since this is not a dangerous sport...
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Metta2
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Because boxing is a dangerous sport, many parents not encourage their kids to try boxing.. which is understandable.. even Pacquiao not allowing their kids to join or try boxing...unlike weightlifting or gymnastics.. parents for sure will encourage their kids to try since this is not a dangerous sport...
Jimuel Pacquiao Jr is a boxer. Even a prosperous country like the US has plenty of boxers.
I'm pretty sure there are more than enough Filipino parents that are willing to overlook the dangers of the sport just to earn a living much more if there's a chance to become rich.
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CoJ2
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I was honestly expecting a "Pacquaio effect" about 20 years after his career peak in the early 2000s. The global achievements and monetary prizes he earned were astronomical.
I thought it would inspire countless Pinoy kids to go into boxing of which many should be approaching their peak by now. Fast forward to now, we have a few Olympic contenders and none really are carrying the torch professionally. I thought we would have more boxing world champs by now.
I don't know how involved with boxing Pacquiao is, but we could sure use his knowledge and help in promoting it. For sure he knows how to make a great boxer more than he knows basketball and writing laws.
There s a boxing boom naman, but it has yet to produce a once in generation talent like pacquiao
boxing became a great recreation sport/workout for one, plus a lot of gyms also emerged.
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paolylo2
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The problem with football is that the PFF actually gave grassroots so many chances only to hide the fact that out of an entire generation of young players, maybe 2 or 3 of them had World Class potential... the rest who was ever part of that Azkals Development Team aren't even at the level of our SEA neighbors. So the natural thing to do was scout more Fil-Fors and actually did well enough not to look embarassing in World Cup qualifying... so the PFF builds on that.
The issue is decentralizing local football. There has to be more clubs like Dynamic Herb Cebu with an actual club identity that will get better with better players and less of the elitists like Kaya that will trash every PFL team but look like crap in AFC Cup events. As it stands, not even those football diehard trolls bitching about grassroots watches live football at the club level.
The issue is decentralizing local football. There has to be more clubs like Dynamic Herb Cebu with an actual club identity that will get better with better players and less of the elitists like Kaya that will trash every PFL team but look like crap in AFC Cup events. As it stands, not even those football diehard trolls bitching about grassroots watches live football at the club level.
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Metta2
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There s a boxing boom naman, but it has yet to produce a once in generation talent like pacquiao
boxing became a great recreation sport/workout for one, plus a lot of gyms also emerged.
I dunno, it kind of feels like how it was pre-Pacquiao era. We have a couple of Olympians. Champs once in a while. Someone can correct me, but I don't think we even have a reigning champ right now.
The boxing for workout seems like more of the business progression in the Philippines as a whole. More restaurants, different types of gyms (Muay Thai, BJJ, etc), more recreational activities overall. Pinoys just learned to commercialize a lot more things.
I was expecting something like how the Dream Team/Jordan energized Europe into basketball. I thought it was going to open the floodgates for more Pinoy champs.
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ja.he2
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The problem with football is that the PFF actually gave grassroots so many chances only to hide the fact that out of an entire generation of young players, maybe 2 or 3 of them had World Class potential... the rest who was ever part of that Azkals Development Team aren't even at the level of our SEA neighbors. So the natural thing to do was scout more Fil-Fors and actually did well enough not to look embarassing in World Cup qualifying... so the PFF builds on that.
The issue is decentralizing local football. There has to be more clubs like Dynamic Herb Cebu with an actual club identity that will get better with better players and less of the elitists like Kaya that will trash every PFL team but look like crap in AFC Cup events. As it stands, not even those football diehard trolls bitching about grassroots watches live football at the club level.
Yet, we are still losing even if the Azkals is filled with Fil-Fors. These Fil-Fors are not only playing overseas, they are playing in top leagues in Europe. Besides, the hype for Azkals way back early 2010's was nuts, thanks to ABS-CBN Sports. However, that was all that they can muster.
Eventually, it was basketball that ultimately stole the thunder from Azkals thanks to the successful run of Gilas in 2011 FIBA-Asia which made into the semis after 24 years. It was also followed by two silver medal finishes by Gilas in 2013 and 2015 as well as the gallant fight that Gilas gave in 2014 FIBA World Cup and in 2016 FIBA OQT.
Football and basketball were both given the spotlight. However, the disparity in terms of success has been uneven in favor of basketball. I mean within 5 years, Gilas had achieved so many things that Azkals could only dream about.
So if I were an investor that is being asked that I should invest in football since it is the sport where Filipinos can really excel, I will surely look at the achievements Azkals has made vis-a-vis those of Gilas's. Based on winnability, I will not invest in Azkals since even in the SEA region, it can't even place decently.
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Metta2
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The problem with football is that the PFF actually gave grassroots so many chances only to hide the fact that out of an entire generation of young players, maybe 2 or 3 of them had World Class potential... the rest who was ever part of that Azkals Development Team aren't even at the level of our SEA neighbors. So the natural thing to do was scout more Fil-Fors and actually did well enough not to look embarassing in World Cup qualifying... so the PFF builds on that.
The issue is decentralizing local football. There has to be more clubs like Dynamic Herb Cebu with an actual club identity that will get better with better players and less of the elitists like Kaya that will trash every PFL team but look like crap in AFC Cup events. As it stands, not even those football diehard trolls bitching about grassroots watches live football at the club level.
Football advocates need a reality check. Success in team sports is ridiculously difficult. And football being the most popular makes it the most difficult. One of the biggest handicaps (among many) is us not having a quality pro league.
China and it's leader Xi more than a decade ago started a program to make China a football powerhouse. They poured in billions into the program. And it wasn't an impulsive plan, it was a long-term plan with 2050 being the goal that China would reach their goal. Fast forward 10+ years, and they're still at the same spot.
Even the US who should have all the ingredients to become a football powerhouse can't manage to do it (a fact most people don't know is that soccer is the most popular sports that American kids initially play).
Us just diverting more funds into it doesn't mean more success.
If there are vocal sports advocates that we should listen to, it is those from individual sports.
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Giannis34GOD2
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Jimuel Pacquiao Jr is a boxer. Even a prosperous country like the US has plenty of boxers.
I'm pretty sure there are more than enough Filipino parents that are willing to overlook the dangers of the sport just to earn a living much more if there's a chance to become rich.
Well.. that's on the parents if they will allow their kids to play boxing .. even Pacquiao's mother didn't want him to be a boxer in his younger years...boxing is one of the most dangerous sports in the world...some Filipinos already died due to boxing...
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Giannis34GOD2
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Football advocates need a reality check. Success in team sports is ridiculously difficult. And football being the most popular makes it the most difficult. One of the biggest handicaps (among many) is us not having a quality pro league.
China and it's leader Xi more than a decade ago started a program to make China a football powerhouse. They poured in billions into the program. And it wasn't an impulsive plan, it was a long-term plan with 2050 being the goal that China would reach their goal. Fast forward 10+ years, and they're still at the same spot.
Even the US who should have all the ingredients to become a football powerhouse can't manage to do it (a fact most people don't know is that soccer is the most popular sports that American kids initially play).
Us just diverting more funds into it doesn't mean more success.
If there are vocal sports advocates that we should listen to, it is those from individual sports.
It's hard to be competitive in football world.. our ASEAN neighbors were investing millions just to be competitive in FIFA.. but none of them are passing outside ASEAN region... Even FIFA increase the number of participants to 48 on world cup, our ASEAN countries will have hard time to qualify...
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Giannis34GOD2
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Football advocates need a reality check. Success in team sports is ridiculously difficult. And football being the most popular makes it the most difficult. One of the biggest handicaps (among many) is us not having a quality pro league.
China and it's leader Xi more than a decade ago started a program to make China a football powerhouse. They poured in billions into the program. And it wasn't an impulsive plan, it was a long-term plan with 2050 being the goal that China would reach their goal. Fast forward 10+ years, and they're still at the same spot.
Even the US who should have all the ingredients to become a football powerhouse can't manage to do it (a fact most people don't know is that soccer is the most popular sports that American kids initially play).
Us just diverting more funds into it doesn't mean more success.
If there are vocal sports advocates that we should listen to, it is those from individual sports.
Because China and USA have no football culture that Latinos and European has.. it's hard to build a team that many hardly to watch it..
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ja.he2
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Football advocates need a reality check. Success in team sports is ridiculously difficult. And football being the most popular makes it the most difficult. One of the biggest handicaps (among many) is us not having a quality pro league.
China and it's leader Xi more than a decade ago started a program to make China a football powerhouse. They poured in billions into the program. And it wasn't an impulsive plan, it was a long-term plan with 2050 being the goal that China would reach their goal. Fast forward 10+ years, and they're still at the same spot.
Even the US who should have all the ingredients to become a football powerhouse can't manage to do it (a fact most people don't know is that soccer is the most popular sports that American kids initially play).
Us just diverting more funds into it doesn't mean more success.
If there are vocal sports advocates that we should listen to, it is those from individual sports.
The more reason why we should not abandon basketball. Among all our teams that has an Olympic event, it is basketball that has really the biggest and most realistic chance to make it all the way to the Olympics.
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greenarcher2
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How different is pro boxing from amateur boxing? Why are there no knockouts in amateur? Because of the head protection?
Can Pacquiao's sheer speed and power knock out boxers in the Olympics? He should have joined 4 or 8 years ago.
Can Pacquiao's sheer speed and power knock out boxers in the Olympics? He should have joined 4 or 8 years ago.
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Dotch2
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our first gold medalist (diaz) started early too.. join olympics at very young age.. and look what she has accomplished 1 olympic silver, 1 olympic gold, 1 asian games gold
In the end, it was the home-born, home-bred who delivered the medals,
Yes, outside coaching is needed, but the the ones who medalled for the PHL were normies and were discovered during the annual youth games, or the like.
Sport feds that take short-cuts by recruiting already-established athletes from abroad, got nothing to show for it. Athletics outside of EJ is littered by foreign born athletes who only go home, to get their free tickets to the Olympics or Asian Games. Swimming is the same, Gymnastics, save for Carlos, spends their resources to recruit fil-foreigners abroad rather than spend for facilities and good coaching here.
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ja.he2
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In the end, it was the home-born, home-bred who delivered the medals,
Yes, outside coaching is needed, but the the ones who medalled for the PHL were normies and were discovered during the annual youth games, or the like.
Sport feds that take short-cuts by recruiting already-established athletes from abroad, got nothing to show for it. Athletics outside of EJ is littered by foreign born athletes who only go home, to get their free tickets to the Olympics or Asian Games. Swimming is the same, Gymnastics, save for Carlos, spends their resources to recruit fil-foreigners abroad rather than spend for facilities and good coaching here.
That's why FIBA is right to have a cut-off age as to who are they going to consider as locals.
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Metta2
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In the end, it was the home-born, home-bred who delivered the medals,
Yes, outside coaching is needed, but the the ones who medalled for the PHL were normies and were discovered during the annual youth games, or the like.
Sport feds that take short-cuts by recruiting already-established athletes from abroad, got nothing to show for it. Athletics outside of EJ is littered by foreign born athletes who only go home, to get their free tickets to the Olympics or Asian Games. Swimming is the same, Gymnastics, save for Carlos, spends their resources to recruit fil-foreigners abroad rather than spend for facilities and good coaching here.
I think making it about homegrowns vs filfors is an unnecessary debate. Most of the filfors who never won Olympic medals are in competitions where no homegrowns qualified. And we're conveniently overlooking the fact that they actually have won for us medals in regional meets to qualify for the Olympics. It was between having representatives and not having representatives. I don't think spots were robbed and I don't think development funding was diverted.
At the end of the day, international coaching and international competition experience is necessary to be world-class. Filfors lucked into having it, while Yulo and Obiena also managed to get it leaving the country early.
The Yulo and Obiena template is key. Lay the foundation for homegrowns to be in sports really early (because homegrown is the majority of the population pie). Then help them as much as possible in getting that foreign coaching and experience.
*Boxing is an exception because like I said before, world-class coaching and world-class competition is readily available within the country.
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