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JOI2dWorld2
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if ABAP has a foresight, they should've just train Awra and put into use his brawling capability
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thatweirdguy2
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HAHA. Scouts paid more attention to teams who are playing in the actual Olympics.
Not saying that Yuki is better than our local guards but he performed at a bigger stage against arguably better competition.
Wonder why some people always put down fellow asian players who get signed or even try out in the Gleague / summer league when it's already big news here when locals scrimmages or takes a selfie with an NBA players.
They're basketball program is doing good. I hope we can emulate what they're doing right.
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thatweirdguy2
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Why would he do that when he know's he's going to get destroyed if he fights in the men's division. These people are smart. They're going to use all the advantage they have
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Dotch2
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Still got beaten by no. 1 ranked female boxer in his division. Regarding the earlier post, it was a response and a comparison to the other trans boxer who was born a male, but now fights in the female division, giving her an unjust advantage.
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Dotch2
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Speaking of double standards, everybody are suspicious of the 19 y.o. Chinese swimmer who obliterated the field by winning by almost a second, the Swimming 100m Freestyle Event. He broke his own WR, and in so doing, Aussies, US and others almost immediately suspected him of doping.
While other swimmers from western countries including Australia, were celebrated and dont go under scrutiny and suspicions, like France's sensation Leon Marchand ( this generations's Michael Phelps ) , winning 2 finals in one night, fpr his 3rd gold. Nobody batted an eyelash when he achieved that feat.
Sidenote: The other Chinese world record holder and past winners dont even place. . The Chinese swimming team were closely monitored and tested more frequently in this Olympics, after some of them were found to have banned substances in their system. The Chinese feds said that they were tainted and WADA actually sided with them , escaping punishments.
While other swimmers from western countries including Australia, were celebrated and dont go under scrutiny and suspicions, like France's sensation Leon Marchand ( this generations's Michael Phelps ) , winning 2 finals in one night, fpr his 3rd gold. Nobody batted an eyelash when he achieved that feat.
Sidenote: The other Chinese world record holder and past winners dont even place. . The Chinese swimming team were closely monitored and tested more frequently in this Olympics, after some of them were found to have banned substances in their system. The Chinese feds said that they were tainted and WADA actually sided with them , escaping punishments.
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CoJ2
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General position of the trans/left leaning community regarding the imane issue
-all athletes have genetic advantages : i.e. Wemby, Phelps
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jk-r...wyou4p10oQorKNn1J0_aem_0oSOpGCmBeVca6XtkaeWgg
-all athletes have genetic advantages : i.e. Wemby, Phelps
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jk-r...wyou4p10oQorKNn1J0_aem_0oSOpGCmBeVca6XtkaeWgg
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C2Hamm2
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im pretty sure Paris have world class doctors who can test the boxer in question and get this controversy out of the way. if she is legit a woman, then we leave it at that. if she is trans, then we go by whatever eligibility rules OIC has. if there is nothing preventing her, go ahead and update the ruling after if the mebers of the OIC deems necessary.
its unfair if proven that the boxer is violating something and still competing. if she isnt violating any, but there is a need to update the rules, then update the rules after. It also unfair to criticise her without actual proof.
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CoJ2
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Unfortunately the IOC's eligibity rule in boxing is simply the gender declared on the passport of the athlete
They really need to review this
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ja.he2
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So Khelif Imane was born female and looks like a female in her childhood. However, per IBA chief, she was disqualified since she possesses an XY chromosome (male chromosome) and an elevated amount of testoterone (male hormone). That explains why she is a heavy-hitter. Similar to Nancy Navalta? Sort of.
If a woman, who possesses both male chromosome and hormone, has that kind of raw power, then the IOC should open a discussion and debates whether or not transgenders should be barred from participating in any women's Olympic events. Transgens could also have that kind of strength, even more, since they were physically born as males. Not only strength but also their body frame, arms span, and height. That will be totally unfair to all women athletes.
If a woman, who possesses both male chromosome and hormone, has that kind of raw power, then the IOC should open a discussion and debates whether or not transgenders should be barred from participating in any women's Olympic events. Transgens could also have that kind of strength, even more, since they were physically born as males. Not only strength but also their body frame, arms span, and height. That will be totally unfair to all women athletes.
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Metta2
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A lot of people are not aware that a person can be born with both male and female reproductive organs. It is very rare just like how someone can be born with non-normal chromosomes. I think that is the case with the Algerian boxer. Whatever the case was, her family considered her as a female since birth. Algeria being a Muslim country, I don't think they would be tolerant towards trans people (and this was also more than 20 years ago, not during this era of woke).
It's quite similar with our own Nancy Navalta who looked like a man (and at the very least has some chromosome anomalies as well) but was also considered a female by her family at birth.
This should not be confused with the case of the trans American swimmer (I forgot his name) who was clearly a former man and just switched over to the women's division. That is despicable.
It boils down to what rule is implemented. I think it should be what gender was listed on the birth certificate (tampering documents is a whole different topic).
Elite sports is filled with freaks, guys/girls who are genetic anomalies that makes competition unfair. As long as they're born as is, it's not cheating.
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CoJ2
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This is what the IOC has implemented in this year's olympics. There needs to be a scientific solution to these especially that the sport involved is boxing, that natural advantage could lead to death of a opponent
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ja.he2
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If that Italian boxer proceeded with that fight with Imane, a real female who just so happened to have some male features, that Italian could have been 5-10 punches away from being knockdown. If it was a transgen, she could have just been 5 punches away from being knockdown. Worse, she might be one-shotted with a broken jaw.
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Metta2
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On what rule they will implement, that is another matter. But when it comes to boxers (and anyone in other fight sports), I think it's a given that they know there is always a risk of dying and that they accept it. Anyone who does not realize that risk and does not thoroughly prepare against it should not be fighting.
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ja.he2
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While the assumption of risk is always there, dying or sustaining serious, life-threatening injuries is what boxing organizations are trying to avoid. There is a reason why prizefighting was no longer a 15-round fight. There is also a reason why the referee can stop the fight whenever he sees the boxer's condition in relation to his ability to continue to fight.
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Metta2
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Yes, it's up to the officials to minimize the risk of death as possible. But a big part of how this is avoided is that everyone who steps on that ring respects the possibility of death. Being aware of that enables one to be extra vigilant and extra prepared. If someone gets the notion that officials or anyone else can effectively prevent it from happening, then that is when it happens.
I think that Italian boxer demonstrated it. She took that initial hit and immediately knew that continuing can be fatal.
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ja.he2
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But are we going to allow a former male, still carrying the strength and length of a male, to fight a women in women's boxing or any other sports that requires physical attributes?
Don't get me wrong. Imane, which seems to be a legitimate female, can go and participate there. She is just that strong. However, imagine a transgen (former male) boxer, with the strength of a Mike Tyson or even a Manny Pacquiao, fighting in women's division. Are we going to wait for some female athlete to be bedridden before we take an action? I am just being proactive here.
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Metta2
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That's a different topic. Like what I said about the trans swimmer who was clearly formerly a man...it's despicable. No disagreement there.
But just like how Wemby is such a genetic anomaly that it seems impossible that such a basketball player exists...it's not impossible that one day a truly 100% female can come along and be that much stronger than anyone else. What rule will we use for that?
This is where "respecting the probability of death" works. Again in the case of the Italian boxer, let's say the Algerian is truly a man and that the rules failed her, then what saved her was her instincts. She felt those initial blows and immediately knew survival was at stake.
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Giannis34GOD2
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Like of most many countries, USA not prioritize 3x3 events.. there is no money in that event
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ja.he2
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No disagreements actually with you regarding an athlete that is a freak of nature. They are, well, freaks of nature like Wemby in men's basketball or Imane in women's boxing.
What I am trying to say is the danger of allowing someone clearly from a different gender (biologically) into a female division. If a female Imane has that man's strength, what if it is a former man that the Italian faced? Being a former male in the women's division of the Olympics is no "freak of nature" so to speak. That should be playing in the men's division.
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Giannis34GOD2
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Because it's too bias.. even in social media.. they were too much praise in Japan while if other countries such as Chinese or Lebanese doing same players bringing to the NBA, they (especially Filipinos) mocking them... Filipinos are too angry with China while they don't like Lebanese because like Filipinos, they are arrogant too... Natatawa nalang ako while I saw some comments na "why China is there at Olympic basketball", ni di nila alam na women's basketball yun... What if Yuki Kawamura is a Chinese? Is the hype train of Filipinos towards him still the same? Filipinos overall dickriding Japanese teams, while very angered towards Chinese or Lebanese teams... Too much bias... Even now in Olympic medal tally.. when Japan was leading, many Filipinos congratulate them while now with China leading eh too many angered towards Chinese success...
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